The extinction of Gay people.....

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    Jun 02, 2016 2:58 AM GMT
    I remember the days when being gay was really different and actually fun. We had our own culture and things were really "good"........

    Now, I completely feel under attack (SERIOUSLY). We have the far right slamming the LGBT----Transgender issues and the Gay life is still a crime in most of the middle east. The radical islam-muslims still want to kill us and impose Sharia law. What will out=gay life be like in 10 years? Men with uteruses? UGH......


    Sharia law (Arabic: شريعة) is the body of Islamic law. The term means "way" or " path"; it is the legal framework within which the public and ALL private aspects of life are regulated for those living in a legal system based on Islam.

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    Jun 02, 2016 3:23 AM GMT
    Yep, there was something nice about living life on the fringe and not being accepted. We had a unique culture. No one wanted to associate with us, so we had to develop our own culture. Now everyone has their token gay. It's cool to say you have gay friends. Bachelorette parties invade our clubs. Women want to hang with us and make us their shopping buddies and interior decorators - everything their husbands and boyfriends aren't but they wish they were. Straight guys now readily admit to having experimented with gay sex, which by the way doesn't help our cause because the religious bigots see that as proof that it's something you choose. With all this acceptance were losing our culture. We're becoming homogenized.
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    Jun 02, 2016 3:32 AM GMT
    Not4u saidYep, there was something nice about living life on the fringe and not being accepted. We had a unique culture. No one wanted to associate with us, so we had to develop our own culture. Now everyone has their token gay. It's cool to say you have gay friends. Bachelorette parties invade our clubs. Women want to hang with us and make us their shopping buddies and interior decorators - everything their husbands and boyfriends aren't but they wish they were. Straight guys now readily admit to having experimented with gay sex, which by the way doesn't help our cause because the religious bigots see that as proof that it's something you choose. With all this acceptance were losing our culture. We're becoming homogenized.

    EXACTLY!!!
    I was born gay and I have been happy and proud of who and what I am and most importantly what I have become!
    I don't mention much of my private life, but I love all that I have and what I have come from.
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    Jun 02, 2016 3:35 AM GMT
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    Jun 02, 2016 5:09 AM GMT
    Not4u saidYep, there was something nice about living life on the fringe and not being accepted. We had a unique culture. No one wanted to associate with us, so we had to develop our own culture. Now everyone has their token gay. It's cool to say you have gay friends. Bachelorette parties invade our clubs. Women want to hang with us and make us their shopping buddies and interior decorators - everything their husbands and boyfriends aren't but they wish they were. Straight guys now readily admit to having experimented with gay sex, which by the way doesn't help our cause because the religious bigots see that as proof that it's something you choose. With all this acceptance were losing our culture. We're becoming homogenized.


    Well said!

    No doubt, there is a price of societal acceptance. And the more you want in the more they raise the tab.

    Yet, in very large parts of the world the discrimination has legally ended. People are free to live their lives as they find fit. The societal climate has very profoundly changed. Like it or not, gay folks are being accepted for who they are. Much (not all) of the stigma is now gone. Quite a few people have changed their minds on the subject, too. Talk about a tidal wave of change in terms of the societal attitude in many advanced societies...

    Having gay friends has become 'fashionable'. The superficial folks usually have the attention span of the fruit fly. By the start of the next week, something else will show up on their radars as being, well, even more 'fashionable'. We are freer than ever before. If I sense that someone wants to be my friend just because he/she thinks this is 'fashionable', I may get very busy and have no time for themicon_lol.gif.

    Many gayborhoods are now gone. Many aspects of our specific, rather underground culture are now to be found in gay history books only. Obviously, much of it is a result of joining the mainstream. The rest has to do with the fact that it has dawned on many LGBT folks that their sexual orientation is what it is - only one important aspect of their manifold personalities. So, instead of going back to our own hoods and sticking to our own handkerchief codes, we have now got the apps to get our NSA lives going, and the urge to belong to some other community, some other club, some other shelter.

    In life, there are no solutions. Only trade-offs...

    SC
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    Jun 02, 2016 6:04 AM GMT
    I'm much happier with my rights to marry, have children, have a public profile without being attacked from all sides, than I would be proud of a liminal place in society, no matter how 'mainstream' that makes me.

    That said, objectification/appropriation suck.
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    Jun 02, 2016 12:54 PM GMT
    Like the dinosaurs?!

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  • nice_chap

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    Jun 02, 2016 2:01 PM GMT
    Not4u saidNow everyone has their token gay. It's cool to say you have gay friends. Bachelorette parties invade our clubs. Women want to hang with us and make us their shopping buddies and interior decorators - everything their husbands and boyfriends aren't but they wish they were.


    I actually agree with this. I can not stand straight women who try to make me into their stereotypical gay best friend. I see it as a form of homophobia when a girl finds out i'm gay and immediately wants to talk to me about shopping and facial products and boyfriends, as if that's all I've got to offer, all any gay man has to offer.

    To me, it's not acceptance. They are not accepting me as a person, they are not making the effort to get to know me for who i am beyond my sex life, they see me as a form of amusement who they can go dancing and act like a slag with. It feels like harassment to me. Yes sweetheart, i'm a guy who likes guys, but that does not mean I'm here for your entertainment. Go back to annoying the guys who actually are interested in your minge, they're going to appreciate your company a lot more than I will.
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    Jun 02, 2016 2:24 PM GMT
    Lots of whining in this thread. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Some of you feel objectified or stereotyped by straight people? Well, guess what? We do that to each other. Do any of you complain when a hot guy doesn't want to get to know you as a person yet invites you into his bed? Or when some hot guy wants to jack off with you on Skype but forgoes the "pillow talk" afterward?

    And I'd rather be perceived as "fashionable" than a target for gay bashing and violence. God, if you guys are sincerely complaining about such trivial bullshit you really must have such boring, unfulfilled, mundane lives.
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    Jun 02, 2016 2:32 PM GMT
    nice_chap saidI actually agree with this. I can not stand straight women who try to make me into their stereotypical gay best friend. I see it as a form of homophobia when a girl finds out i'm gay and immediately wants to talk to me about shopping and facial products and boyfriends, as if that's all I've got to offer, all any gay man has to offer.

    To me, it's not acceptance. They are not accepting me as a person, they are not making the effort to get to know me for who i am beyond my sex life, they see me as a form of amusement who they can go dancing and act like a slag with. It feels like harassment to me. Yes sweetheart, i'm a guy who likes guys, but that does not mean I'm here for your entertainment. Go back to annoying the guys who actually are interested in your minge, they're going to appreciate your company a lot more than I will.


    I blame "Sex in the City" for the "normalizing" of the gay best friend. Now everyone has to have one. It's the latest fashionable accessory.
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    Jun 02, 2016 2:56 PM GMT
    Nothing really pushing anyone out their closet.
  • nice_chap

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    Jun 02, 2016 4:32 PM GMT
    VP_TN saidLots of whining in this thread. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Some of you feel objectified or stereotyped by straight people? Well, guess what? We do that to each other. Do any of you complain when a hot guy doesn't want to get to know you as a person yet invites you into his bed? Or when some hot guy wants to jack off with you on Skype but forgoes the "pillow talk" afterward?


    No I don't complain when I have a casual hookup with a hot gay guy, because I've actually got some good out of him. I'm not gonna get any good out of a straight girl trying to attach herself to me as a faghag and asking nosy questions about my sex life. I'm not gonna experience any sexual pleasure with her, am I.

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    And I'd rather be perceived as "fashionable" than a target for gay bashing and violence. God, if you guys are sincerely complaining about such trivial bullshit you really must have such boring, unfulfilled, mundane lives.


    You know whats boring to me? Meeting people who think gay men must all be lively bubbly fashion divas who are constantly the life and soul of the party. We are perfectly entitled to be just as dull and mundane as straight folks if we want to be.
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    Jun 02, 2016 11:13 PM GMT
    nice_chap said


    You know whats boring to me? Meeting people who think gay men must all be lively bubbly fashion divas who are constantly the life and soul of the party. We are perfectly entitled to be just as dull and mundane as straight folks if we want to be.


    If people make that assumption about you then it has to do with how you present yourself. In my case, straight people don't make the assumption that I'm some fashion diva. But by looking at your pics, I can see how someone might with you given your wardrobe selection (in one of your pics). That's not meant to be an attack against you. And by your other pics, I think any person could look at how you pose and carry yourself and see that you're obviously gay. There's nothing mundane about you. icon_wink.gif

  • Jun 02, 2016 11:20 PM GMT
    My best friend doesn't know I like men, I wonder what he would say. I haven't found many people who treat me like I am a stereotype, but I know there will be many out there. I believe when you meet new people, your masculinity can impact them, show them that you can like men without acting like a girl.
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    Jun 03, 2016 9:53 AM GMT
    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior said

    If people make that assumption about you then it has to do with how you present yourself. In my case, straight people don't make the assumption that I'm some fashion diva. But by looking at your pics, I can see how someone might with you given your wardrobe selection (in one of your pics). That's not meant to be an attack against you. And by your other pics, I think any person could look at how you pose and carry yourself and see that you're obviously gay. There's nothing mundane about you. icon_wink.gif


    Thanks for the compliments (i think?) but how I present myself on this site is very different from how I present myself in public or when I'm socializing. When I'm meeting new people, I am quiet and reserved and talk politely in making the effort to get to know people. I'm not expressing myself sexually. However, I have been in situations where i am chatting about something totally unrelated to my sex life, and then somebody bursts out with a comment or question about my sexuality. I've even had people snapping at me for not being animated and lively enough. This irritates me because they are not respecting my boundaries.

    As for my fashion sense, I think I dress okay. I make the effort to dress appropriately for an occasion, but that's hardly a homosexual trait, it's just common etiquette. I have days where I think I look awesome and I have days where I think fuck it this'll do. I've met plenty of straight blokes who know more about the big brands than I do, and have designer stubble and use a lot more hair styling and facial care products than I do.

    I don't really care whether people make the assumption that I am gay or not, but I do care how they approach the subject of my sexuality.
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    Jun 03, 2016 12:28 PM GMT
    All the older gay men with whom I talk think that today's US is better for LGBT than it was previously. Many will say they never imagined they'd ever see legal same-sex marriage. Nor prominent politicians, government officials, prominent business leaders, sports figures, celebrities and others coming out openly.

    Not that the change to a gay-friendly US is complete, nor has it even begun in some parts of the world, as this thread notes. But they & I see positive developments, slow as they may be, with a few apparent backward steps driven by backward people.

    I've only been out a little over 20 years, but some of these other guys remember adult gay life as far back as the 1950s. Of police vice squad raids on gay clubs & bars, similar to what was done at NYC's Stonewall in 1969. Of arbitrary arrests on the sidewalk, of prosecution and jail time under laws that made living gay a criminal offense.

    The most interesting stories for me, confirmed by many from that era, are of gay clubs that operated like the Prohibition speakeasies you see in movies. With secret escape routes against police raids, warning lights, and coded warning signals bartenders used when a suspected undercover vice cop had entered the place.

    And when "fag hags" were especially useful. As soon as the place was raided you quickly ditched your male dance partner and took a female friend onto the dance floor instead. Or sat next to her at a table or the bar. When questioned by the police you knew her name, and lots of details about her, and she about you. Friends out together for the evening, maybe dating.

    Because if 2 guys were caught together in too cozy a scene they'd both be hauled off to jail, often in handcuffs. And wearing makeup, or worse, women's underwear, an actual criminal code violation for which you'd be required to partially undress for police inspection, got you jail time.

    Extinction of gays in the US was the goal in those days. Much less today, except among certain radical Christian and political Right Wing leaders. A reason for us to maintain constant vigilance and political engagement. Opposing these "Religious Freedom" laws that are poorly disguised attempts to suppress LGBT citizens and our civil rights.
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    Jun 03, 2016 1:40 PM GMT
    people can have a boy friend and some people a girl friend, any combination of what ever works.
    ok with me if the word gay becomes lost. Dont see how this might be a bad thing.