Palestinian Student Activist Jailed by Palestinian Authority for Calling the PA Rotten

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    Jun 06, 2016 12:32 AM GMT
    https://electronicintifada.net/content/jailed-calling-palestinian-authority-rotten/16871Kifah Quzmar was at a café in downtown Ramallah when a few men followed him to the toilet. After grabbing him, they dragged him out to a car with a yellow Israeli license plate.

    The men, it soon transpired, were undercover police working for the Palestinian Authority. They apprehended Quzmar at the West Bank café on 11 May because of comments he had made on Facebook...
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    ...Palestinian scholar Abdel Sattar Qassem argued that such arrests expose the moral bankruptcy and illegitimacy of the PA and its leadership.

    Qassem, a political science professor at An-Najah University in the West Bank city of Nablus, has himself been recently arrested for speaking out against the PA.

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  • mwolverine

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    Jun 06, 2016 4:01 AM GMT
    GymFreak saidPalestinian Authority (Fatah) is Israel's little ninja ("car with a yellow Israeli license plate")... I can see why a lot of Palestinians are Hamas supporters.

    Right, because Gazans have so much more rights and political freedoms than the Palestinian Arabs living under PA rule.
    NOT.

    Kifah Quzmar, who's a pretty good looking guy (GF would normally point this out, but here he hates Israel more), is not a Hamas supporter.

    The arrest was made in Area A, which is under PA security control.
    This has nothing to do with Israel.

    (The throw away line - to which GF clutches - about yellow Israeli license plates is not repeated by other media sources and is completely meaningless. He was arrested by PA security services for insulting the PA authorities and was held in a PA jail. He has since been released - by a PA judge - on bail.)

    Why does GF consider the PA to be Israel's puppet?
    For the same reason AyaTrolLiar founcer considers them "quislings".
    Because Abbas (perhaps realizing that violence kills more Palestinian Arabs than Israeli Jews) has pursued peace rather than violence.
    They're against that.

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
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  • mwolverine

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    Jun 06, 2016 5:39 PM GMT
    JTheM saidThe PA has been exposed over and over again as a vicious racket, living the high life at the Palestinians' expense. It's no different to...

    Hamas, which AyaTrolLiar founcer embraces.

    Hamas "Prime Minister" Haniyeh is worth Millions.
    Hamas oligarch (now plutocrat) Khaled Mashal is worth Billions.

    This isn't knew. It was just as true in the 1970s, but then the PLO was engaged exclusively in attacking Israel and Jews worldwide.
    For AyaTrolLiar founcer, those were the good old days.
    When the PLO finally gave peace a chance in the 1990s, forming the PA, is when in his sick mind they became "quislings" and rotten.

    Let's look at how Orwell would pose this:

    Corrupt PLO attacking Israel/Jews = good.
    Corrupt PA seeking peace with Israel/Jews = bad.

    Corruption really isn't an issue in their good/bad equation.
    It's whether they attack Israel/Jews or not that is the distinction for such haters.
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    Jun 06, 2016 6:00 PM GMT
    mwolverine said
    GymFreak saidPalestinian Authority (Fatah) is Israel's little ninja ("car with a yellow Israeli license plate")... I can see why a lot of Palestinians are Hamas supporters.

    Right, because Gazans have so much more rights and political freedoms than the Palestinian Arabs living under PA rule.
    NOT.

    Kifah Quzmar, who's a pretty good looking guy (GF would normally point this out, but here he hates Israel more), is not a Hamas supporter.

    The arrest was made in Area A, which is under PA security control.
    This has nothing to do with Israel.

    (The throw away line - to which GF clutches - about yellow Israeli license plates is not repeated by other media sources and is completely meaningless. He was arrested by PA security services for insulting the PA authorities and was held in a PA jail. He has since been released - by a PA judge - on bail.)

    Why does GF consider the PA to be Israel's puppet?
    For the same reason AyaTrolLiar founcer considers them "quislings".
    Because Abbas (perhaps realizing that violence kills more Palestinian Arabs than Israeli Jews) has pursued peace rather than violence.
    They're against that.

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
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    You're way more informed on all this than I'll ever be but that sounds pretty much my take on this too. Though that the license plate would be an issue? I had no idea. To me that did nothing but indicate location of the car's registration, nothing that needed to be read into.

    What this story signifies to me is that they can't find peace even within themselves. And not that the old joke isn't that if any particular group didn't have someone to fight against they'd fight amongst themselves instead. But these guys just seem to fight in any and all directions under every circumstance. Are there maybe outside forces encouraging that, possibly, but even were that so, it's up to community to overcome. Or should we let the anti-trans idiots destroy LGBT community, or idiots complaining about our having fun at pride parade, even if those insecurities and subsequent infighting might be encouraged by the homophobes.

    But then to not have either faction of your side on your side? That you can't speak freely, or that a founder of Hamas's gay grandson should have to flee to America to escape the disgustingly termed "honor killing" by his own family? Yikes fucking yikes. Where's the peace in that? Six feet under?

    So what did he do instead? He converted to Christianity and took refuge in Jewish NYC lolol. Finally this Palestinian kid feels safe.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/hamas-executes-three-men-in-gaza-as-a-deterrent-against-rising-crime/2016/05/31/cf30dc1e-273c-11e6-8329-6104954928d2_story.html
    GAZA CITY — Gaza’s Islamist Hamas government executed three men convicted of murder Tuesday morning, highlighting its power struggle with the rival Palestinian faction Fatah and resuming a practice widely criticized by international human rights groups.

    Hamas said the executions would serve as a deterrent against rising crime in the coastal enclave.

    Human rights groups had attempted to stop the executions....

    “The deep flaws in the Gaza Strip’s justice system, with repeated reports pointing to the widespread use of torture, make today’s executions particularly egregious. The Hamas authorities must halt any further plans to carry out executions and immediately establish an official moratorium,” he said.

    Sari Bashi, from Human Rights Watch, said Hamas was using the death penalty as a deterrent instead of addressing the issues that have led to a rise in crime.

    According to Hamas, the executions were carried out after all necessary legal procedures had been completed. The sentences were not, however, ratified by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, as is required by Palestinian law....
  • mwolverine

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    Jun 06, 2016 8:16 PM GMT
    JTheM saidNo one glorified Hamas (as if it's necessary to condemn the PA), but they DO have the merit of having been elected. The PA are usurpers.

    For the record, Haniyeh (head of the Hamas politbureau) is barred from entering Gaza, while Haniyeh (the last prime minister Palestinians ever elected) lives in a refugee camp among the people.

    The trolls have all been apologists for and routinely defend Hamas, as we see here.

    For the record, Prime Ministers are not directly "elected".
    The last directly elected President is Abbas.
    Hamas won a plurality of votes (44%) in a legislative election.
    And then seized all power (including executive and judicial) in a violent coup.
    One that is only supported by 20% of Gazans, and of course by AyaTrolLiar founcer.

    Hamas is the party that has blocked further elections and the trolls have tried to justify that by saying that the electorate new Hamas and that they would suspend democracy and thus that is legitimate. (As if a minority of 44% can vote to suspend democracy?!)

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  • mwolverine

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    Jun 06, 2016 11:01 PM GMT
    ATLf> the last prime minister Palestinians ever elected

    Prime Ministers are not directly "elected".

    ATLF> Prime Ministers are elected indirectly through parliament seats

    Still wrong. Prime Ministers with the most votes get an opportunity to form coalitions.
    Haniyeh was NOT elected by the Palestinian people or parliament as Prime Minister.

    There was a power sharing agreement, known as the Mecca Agreement, brokered by the Saudis and violently broken by Hamas.


    ATLF> Salam Fayyad and Rami Hamdallah were APPOINTED Prime Ministers.

    In accordance with the Palestinian Constitution.
    Unlike the Hamas terrorist "government", which has no basis in law.


    The last directly elected President is Abbas.

    ATLF> [ignored]


    Hamas won a plurality of votes (44%) in a legislative election.
    And then seized all power (including executive and judicial) in a violent coup.
    One that is only supported by 20% of Gazans, and of course by AyaTrolLiar founcer.


    ATLF> a counter-coup, after foiling a plot

    Conspiracy theory.

    Again, the vast majority of Gazans reject that coup.
    Our Hamas apologists celebrate and glorify it.


    Hamas is the party that has blocked further elections and the trolls have tried to justify that by saying that the electorate new Hamas and that they would suspend democracy and thus that is legitimate. (As if a minority of 44% can vote to suspend democracy?!)

    ATLF> Abbas is seven years beyond his term, in what was supposed to be a figurehead presidency.

    Suddenly you are against the suspension of democracy?

    The office of President in the PA constitution is not that of a figurehead.
    For example, laws passed by the legislature must be ratified by the President (Article 80).
    The President also heads the Council of Ministers (120) and during a state of emergency (124).

    The President is the "supreme head" of the national security forces (126).
    Other armed militias (e.g. Hamas) are outlawed (153).


    ATLF> Hamas has no power to call fresh elections. That authority rests with Abbas, who is too afraid.
    As of current polling, more Palestinians want Mishal as their President than Abbas.

    If it wanted to, Hamas could hold elections just within Gaza. It doesn't want to.

    Abbas is 80. I don't expect him to run, assuming elections are ever held again.

    It is Hamas that has generally blocked further elections (which the useless idiots previously excused).

    Mishal only gets 5% of the vote.
  • mwolverine

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    Jun 07, 2016 3:57 AM GMT
    ATLf> the last prime minister Palestinians ever elected

    Prime Ministers are not directly "elected".

    ATLF> Prime Ministers are elected indirectly through parliament seats

    Still wrong. Prime Ministers with the most votes get an opportunity to form coalitions.
    Haniyeh was NOT elected by the Palestinian people or parliament as Prime Minister.

    ATLF> It has nothing to do with "votes" but seats. And Hamas, a party represented by Haniyeh in the legislature, won a majority, making a coalition unnecessary (though of course forcefully imposed). Even had Hamas gained only a plurality, the option of forming a minority government was theirs to take.

    Nuance, like math, isn't his forte. The voters didn't know the outcome at the time they voted. As he himself said, they were voting for "seats", not for Prime Minister.

    In some parliamentary systems the PM is voted for directly. That was NOT the case here.
    (If it was, Haniyeh might not have been elected.)


    There was a power sharing agreement, known as the Mecca Agreement, brokered by the Saudis and violently broken by Hamas.

    ATLF> It was violated by the PA who were hell-bent on launching a coup. Which they did.

    They did?!


    Salam Fayyad and Rami Hamdallah were appointed Prime Ministers.
    In accordance with the Palestinian Constitution.
    Unlike the Hamas terrorist "government", which has no basis in law.


    ATLF> Abbas violated the Constitution by appointing a new (unelected) government.

    Given the violent Hamas coup, Abbas had the power to appoint a PM and did so.


    The last directly elected President is Abbas.

    ATLF> the nature of the elections, which were designed to be a transition to a parliamentary system of government.

    Did you make that up, too? That the PA Constitution, which outlines these powers, was in "transition"?!


    Hamas won a plurality of votes (44%) in a legislative election.
    And then seized all power (including executive and judicial) in a violent coup.
    One that is only supported by 20% of Gazans, and of course by AyaTrolLiar founcer.
    Our Hamas apologists celebrate and glorify it.


    ATLF> [proudly so]


    Hamas is the party that has blocked further elections and the trolls have tried to justify that by saying that the electorate new Hamas and that they would suspend democracy and thus that is legitimate. (As if a minority of 44% can vote to suspend democracy?!)

    ATLF> [crawled back under his rock]


    ATLF> Abbas is seven years beyond his term, in what was supposed to be a figurehead presidency.

    Suddenly you are against the suspension of democracy?

    The office of President in the PA constitution is not that of a figurehead.
    For example, laws passed by the legislature must be ratified by the President (Article 80).
    The President also heads the Council of Ministers (120) and during a state of emergency (124).

    The President is the "supreme head" of the national security forces (126).
    Other armed militias (e.g. Hamas) are outlawed (153).


    ATLF> Hamas has no power to call fresh elections. That authority rests with Abbas, who is too afraid.

    If it wanted to, Hamas could hold elections just within Gaza. It doesn't want to.

    ATLF> [nada]


    It is Hamas that has generally blocked further elections (which the useless idiots previously excused).

    ATLF> [ignored again]


    Abbas is 80. I don't expect him to run, assuming elections are ever held again.

    ATLF> We won't be rid of him until someone hammers a stake into his heart​.

    Yup, that's how much he hates this "quisling", because he has forsaken violence.


    ATLF> Haniyeh, the elected [sic] prime minister, would defeat Abbas if a Presidential election were held today by over 10 percentage points.

    The usual half-truth fail. The very next sentence from his source:

    || if the competition is between Marwan Barghouti, for Fatah, and Haniyeh, the former would win by a margin of 18 percentage points

    Furthermore, while it is true that the present poll puts Haniyeh 11 points ahead of Abbas, this has not been the case over time. Right after the violent Hamas coup, Fatah polled 10 points ahead of Hamas, with Abbas beating Haniyeh by 7 points (Barghouti by a whopping 24 points).

    So we see why Hamas rejected new elections then, despite 75% of the people supporting that.
  • mwolverine

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    Jun 07, 2016 4:03 AM GMT
    JTheM said
    The number of human rights violations committed by PA authorities in the West Bank was significantly greater than those for which Hamas was responsible.” (Which is why the US prefers the PA and calls Hamas a terrorist organization)

    Yes folks, the "all around sh*tty excuse of a human being", as Sharkspeare noted, really is that dense.
    He thinks others will believe that the US supports, in a vacuum, the party allegedly responsible for more human rights violations.

    In reality, he couldn't care less about human rights violations except when expedient to bash others (case in point).
    Just as the AyaTrolLiar hasn't chosen his horse by who is less corrupt but uses that for vapid propaganda.

    He hates the PLO-turned-PA because they have forsaken violence and given peace a chance.
    He embraces, glorifies and is an apologist for Hamas because they are committed to violence.