Terrorist Hamas Founder's Gay Grandson Raped by "Palestinian" Prisoner but the Compassion Shown by Israeli Guards Changed his Life - CNN VIDEO

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    Jun 09, 2016 2:08 PM GMT
    ...except that CNN recorded his own "Palestinian" father threatening his own son with death, you fucking moron.
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    GymFreak said
    theantijock said...except that CNN recorded his own "Palestinian" father threatening his own son with death, you fucking moron.


    Maybe because "John Calvin" was threatening his own family? He is a sellout loser.


    You call this kid, who left his family home in fear at 14, this kid saving his own life from being killed by his own family, this kid as selling out?

    There is not one good person on this forum, not one good person in this country, not one good person on this planet, not one good person known to God who would read that and not think that you are disgusting.

    You
    Are
    Disgusting

    Oh, that, and I'm forgetting my manners: fuck you.


    Oh sinnerman, where you gonna run to?
    Sinnerman, where you gonna run to?
    Where you gonna run to?
    All along dem day
    Well I run to the rock, please hide me
    I run to the rock, please hide me
    I run to the rock, please hide me, lord
    All along dem day
    But the rock cried out, I can't hide you
    The rock cried out, I can't hide you
    The rock cried out, I ain't gonna hide you guy
    All along dem day
    I said, rock, what's a matter with you rock?
    Don't you see I need you, rock?
    Lord, lord, lord
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  • mwolverine

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    Jun 10, 2016 6:23 AM GMT
    GymFreak said
    Palestinians kill gay people - Gay Zionist propaganda 101

    Makes one wonder why Gay Palestinian Arabs flee to israel for safety, eh?
    Oh wait, "GymFreak" is the propagandist here.
    Who hates Israel/Jews more than he loves his own gay brethren.

    What a disgusting troll.

    Gay Palestinians
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1061322/?forumpage=4

    Countries that support gays or kill them
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/984797

    Saudi Arabia says it will support human rights as long as they can still kill gay people
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4074318

    Israel Plans Monument to Gays Persecuted by Nazis
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3401610/

    Israelis are ready to follow Ireland's lead and legalize gay marriage
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4069592

    Tel Aviv Pride 2015
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4064516/

    Middle East's biggest LGBT pride parade draws 200,000
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4220173

    Israel is a secular, democratic, state (gay friendly, too)
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3977469

    Vittorio Arrigoni murdered in Gaza by Palestinian terrorists - because he was gay?
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1506698

    Hamas Commander, Accused of Gay Sex, Is Killed by His Own
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4188753

    Israel holds its first transgender beauty contest
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4205389

    A gay Iranian poet seeks asylum in Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4198759

    "Pinkwashing"- LGBT Conference in Chicago Turns Violent From Anti-Israel Protesters
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums

    Why #Pinkwashing Insults Gays and Hurts Palestinians
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4054588

    Contemplate that when the anti-Israel/anti-Jewish trolls will lie to you about something so simple, they have outed themselves showing that there isn't anything they wouldn't lie about - for the cause.
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    Jun 19, 2016 5:15 PM GMT
    theantijock said on this thread http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4221027
    GymFreak said
    theantijock said...except that CNN recorded his own "Palestinian" father threatening his own son with death, you fucking moron.


    Maybe because "John Calvin" was threatening his own family? He is a sellout loser.


    You call this kid, who left his family home in fear at 14, this kid saving his own life from being killed by his own family, this kid as selling out?

    There is not one good person on this forum, not one good person in this country, not one good person on this planet, not one good person known to God who would read that and not think that you are disgusting.

    You
    Are
    Disgusting

    Oh, that, and I'm forgetting my manners: fuck you.


    Oh sinnerman, where you gonna run to?
    Sinnerman, where you gonna run to?
    Where you gonna run to?
    All along dem day
    Well I run to the rock, please hide me
    I run to the rock, please hide me
    I run to the rock, please hide me, lord
    All along dem day
    But the rock cried out, I can't hide you
    The rock cried out, I can't hide you
    The rock cried out, I ain't gonna hide you guy
    All along dem day
    I said, rock, what's a matter with you rock?
    Don't you see I need you, rock?
    Lord, lord, lord
    All along dem day
  • mwolverine

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    Sep 25, 2017 5:11 PM GMT
    theantijock said
    You call this kid, who left his family home in fear at 14, this kid saving his own life from being killed by his own family, this kid as selling out?

    There is not one good person on this forum, not one good person in this country, not one good person on this planet, not one good person known to God who would read that and not think that you are disgusting.

    You have to understand the mentality. Gay Palestinians should pinkwash for the national cause.

    While the propagandists lie about the fate of gays in the PA and Hamas territories, claiming one can be perfectly out in Bethlehem, the sock puppet master is closeted in... Arizona. Even his sock puppets on Facebook are closeted, for fear that he will be rejected if his fellow terrorist-supporters knew he is gay.

    "Anti-Zionist" Jews, heroes of Palestinian Arab propagandists, are also ANTI-GAY
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4226022


    Consider the irony that while American gays would be proud to claim Lincoln as gay (skeptical, perhaps, but there have been such claims), even gay Palestinian Arabs are quick to categorically deny that Arafat was gay:

    Gay Shame: Was Arafat Gay? [Out Magazine]
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4327061
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    Sep 26, 2017 4:11 AM GMT
    Talk about a bump! Clearly longing for the days of Elephant Brain when far-right nutjobs (at least) took him seriously, we get the lie that anti-Zionist Jews are "anti-gay" (beyond a fundie religious fringe common also to the Zionist right, most are secular-liberal and PRO-gay).

    Then this idiocy:

    Butt-Ugly Bigot from Israel> Palestinian Arabs are quick to categorically deny that Arafat was gay

    Duh, because he wasn't. As I laid out already in that thread.
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    Sep 27, 2017 5:09 AM GMT
    I'm sure no one is surprised that the AyaTrolLiar still couldn't address the OP, i.e. the topic of this thread.


    Consider the irony that while American gays would be proud to claim Lincoln as gay (skeptical, perhaps, but there have been such claims), even gay Palestinian Arabs are quick to categorically deny that Arafat was gay.

    AyaTrolLiar> Duh, because he wasn't. As I laid out already in that thread.

    I'm sure no one read, let alone believed, his nonsense in that thread, but look how here he completely misses the point. One could just as idiotically say: "because LINCOLN wasn't gay". Or "because Tom Cruise isn't gay".

    Can you imagine gays categorically denying that Cruise is gay lest he be shamed by that and many of his fans abandon him?

    Can you imagine gay Packers fans categorically denying that Aaron Rogers is gay because that would make him less of a man and not as worthy a football player?
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    Sep 27, 2017 11:59 AM GMT
    Yes, I realise a lack of silliness on the topic is evidence Palestinians are homophobic, in your book.
    But it is clearly linked to Israeli lies that he was carrying the HIV virus, and led a reckless lifestyle.

    Dunno what Aaron RODGERS fans would make of him being gay, but definitely Black athletes that come out tend to get mixed receptions in the community. Ever tried dropping a hint that an athlete is gay in Hispanic societies or Africa? What about in Italy? Does it tend to be embraced? icon_rolleyes.gif

    While it's true that Israel has long propagated the myth that Arafat was a "diabolical, duplicitous sexual deviant" (and it is worth recalling that, despite the hasbara, 49% of Israelis - a plurality - disapprove of homosexuality), the claim is a nonsense. Which is why it's thread material for idiots.
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    Sep 27, 2017 2:12 PM GMT
    Can you imagine GAYS categorically denying that Cruise is gay lest he be shamed by that and many of his fans abandon him?

    When one's brain is controlled by hate, you get non-thinking nonsense like this:

    AyaTrolLiar> Black athletes that come out tend to get mixed receptions in the community. Ever tried dropping a hint that an athlete is gay in Hispanic societies or Africa?

    The question wasn't about the "black... community", "Hispanic societies or Africa" but in the respective GAY community.

    Ray McDonald (an African American football player who died of complications from AIDS) never came out. But you don't see African American GAYS protesting stories he was gay because that would diminish his manhood, toughness and ability as a player. As if that would shame their hero.
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    Sep 27, 2017 2:55 PM GMT
    JTheM saidYes, I realise a lack of silliness on the topic is evidence Palestinians are homophobic, in your book.
    But it is clearly linked to Israeli lies that he was carrying the HIV virus, and led a reckless lifestyle.

    Dunno what Aaron RODGERS fans would make of him being gay, but definitely Black athletes that come out tend to get mixed receptions in the community. Ever tried dropping a hint that an athlete is gay in Hispanic societies or Africa? What about in Italy? Does it tend to be embraced? icon_rolleyes.gif

    While it's true that Israel has long propagated the myth that Arafat was a "diabolical, duplicitous sexual deviant" (and it is worth recalling that, despite the hasbara, 49% of Israelis - a plurality - disapprove of homosexuality), the claim is a nonsense. Which is why it's thread material for idiots.


    Oh gee willikers why would anyone think Palestinians are homophobic? There is clearly no evidence. Killing gays is a way of fighting against homophobia.
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    Sep 27, 2017 8:08 PM GMT
    Yup. Bigots attract bigots.

    It may come as a surprise to you, but most dudes who like dudes don't spend all their time fantasising about confirmed straight people being gay. They're also wise to the "homosexual" tag being used as an attempt to discredit. You know, as in "collaborate with us and betray your family or we'll 'out' you."

    Any genuine friend of gay rights, if he really did believe the worst about LGBT life in the Palestinian Territories, would condemn this practice unreservedly. But so obtuse and dishonest is this fair-weather friend of the cause, he not only refuses to do so, but he'd actually have people believe Israel spreads these malicious rumours about Arafat to further the cause of same-sex liberation!
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    Sep 29, 2017 5:35 AM GMT
    Can you imagine GAYS categorically denying that Tom Cruise is gay lest he be shamed by that and many of his fans abandon him?

    When one's brain is controlled by hate, you get non-thinking nonsense like this:

    AyaTrolLiar> Black athletes that come out tend to get mixed receptions in the community. Ever tried dropping a hint that an athlete is gay in Hispanic societies or Africa?

    The question wasn't about the "black... community", "Hispanic societies or Africa" but in the respective GAY community.

    AyaTrolLiar> [wups]


    Ray McDonald (an African American football player who died of complications from AIDS) never came out. But you don't see African American GAYS protesting stories he was gay because that would diminish his manhood, toughness and ability as a player. As if that would shame their hero.

    AyaTrolLiar> [blah blah blah Israel blah blah blah]


    The point is that even GAY Palestinian Arabs view it as shameful if their leader were gay.
    That's known as GAY SHAME


    Thus even Sam's sock puppets (e.g. on Facebook) pretend to be straight.

    Thus they spend a whopping 0% of their time advocating for gay rights (protections) under PA/Hamas rule.
    Indeed, knowing the futility of that, they pinkwash it and pretend life is great for openly gay men.
    All none of them.
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    Sep 29, 2017 4:27 PM GMT
    Who claims life is "great" for gay men?

    Why would Palestinian gays believe an Israeli-circulated nonsense that Arafat was a "diabolical, duplicitous sexual deviant"?

    What kind of regime uses this allegation as an attempt to DISCREDIT political opponents?

    Answer: the same kind of regime that uses such information, when genuine, to blackmail young Palestinian men into collaboration, working against their own families and communities.

    Thus do Israel's supporters and useful idiots yell "gay persecution!", when such nakedly homophobic episodes predictably end badly.
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    Sep 29, 2017 7:19 PM GMT
    Israelis might be the first ones to enable same sex reproduction. They have made some of the greatest advances in the world. But of course these Islam loving degenerates will fail to recognize Israel's goodness for the gay community. Muslims have done absolutely nothing except exterminate gays and help spread propaganda against us in gay accepting countries that paints as less than human. I can't wait till the baby of two men is born and their chimp brains explode. Of course the Muslim countries will be the first one to condemn it and wish death upon the baby. Poor peaceful Muslims. They are such victims. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 29, 2017 11:39 PM GMT
    Pretty sure that if Nazi "science" had enabled same-sex reproduction, you'd be singing their praises.
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    Sep 30, 2017 5:07 AM GMT
    What a pathetic attempt to equate Jews and nazis:

    AyaTroLiar founcer/JTheM said
    Pretty sure that if Nazi "science" had enabled same-sex reproduction, you'd be singing their praises.


    AyaTrolLiar> Who claims life is "great" for gay men?

    Sam, IanCT and GymFreak did.
    Without ever an objection from the AyaTrolLiar, who condoned their pinkwashing lies-for-the-cause with silence.
    Never once addressing the plight of gay Palestinian Arabs, even in threads dedicated to that topic.
    It took a decade from him to blurt out that it is an extremely homophobic "conservative religious society".

    Gay Palestinians
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1061322


    Still unable to tackle the issue of GAY SHAME, we get this nonsense:

    AyaTrolLiar> Why would Palestinian gays believe an Israeli-circulated nonsense that Arafat was a "diabolical, duplicitous sexual deviant"?

    Straw man. You can walk up to a GAY Palestinian Arab and ask: "Hey, you think Tom Cruise is gay?" and you'll get a reasonable answer. But ask about the possibility of Arafat being gay and the Gay Shame will explode in your face. Ask if Arafat being gay would be a good thing for gay rights in "Palestine"... and they'll blow up in your face.


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    LOL. I reckon the likelihood of you ever meeting a Palestinian and asking the question is about the same of you ever having anyone "blow [up] in your face" - i.e. never. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Just as you have no evidence of OTHERS claiming the gay life in Palestine is good, you have none of me claiming Palestinians are "extremely homophobic" (on the contrary, I compared "conservative" attitudes in Gaza to parts of Europe).

    His lame "guilt by association" idiocy falls flat not only on its own terms as a debating tactic, but due, as always, to his breathtaking hypocrisy. Has he ever condemned (as opposed to flattered) the violently disturbed "mind" of eunuch - a wretchedly sick individual constantly praising Israel (like the current crop of neo-Nazis) for its crimes against Arabs and Muslims?

    As for his pathetic statement that I equate Nazis and "Jews", never mind the double logic fail*, is he saying the two are mutually exclusive? What then are we to call "liberal" heroes of his like Alan Dershowitz, who advocate the destruction of Palestinian villages in response to "terror", a well-known Nazi policy in response to (no less brutal) Partisan "terror"?

    *
    1.) Why does "Israeli" always = "Jew", for people like him?
    2.) How does a comment on eunuch's demented state have anything to do with either?
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    Oct 01, 2017 10:41 AM GMT
    What a pathetic attempt to equate Jews and nazis

    AyaTrolLiar> Why does "Israeli" always = "Jew", for people like him

    ROTFL. The guy who lectured us that there are no "Israeli Arabs", only "Palestinians", now wants us to think that Israelis can be Arabs, not just Jews?


    AyaTrolLiar> a comment on eunuch's demented state

    It's where the AyaTrolLiar immediately went that is indicative of the AyaTrolLiar's demented state: mad with hate.


    AyaTrolLiar> AyaTrolLiar> Who claims life is "great" for gay men?

    Sam, IanCT and GymFreak did.

    AyaTrolLiar> you have no evidence of OTHERS claiming the gay life in Palestine is good

    Is he saying they didn't say so?
    Or mean we have to look for evidence from "others", not from the usual suspects spouting their propaganda nonsense which people should of course ignore?


    Without ever an objection from the AyaTrolLiar, who condoned their pinkwashing lies-for-the-cause with silence.
    Never once addressing the plight of gay Palestinian Arabs, even in threads dedicated to that topic.
    It took a decade from him to blurt out that it is an extremely homophobic "conservative religious society".


    AyaTrolLiar> you have none of me claiming Palestinians are "extremely homophobic"

    He explained (or rather inadvertently blurted out that) their homophobia is the result of their "conservative religious society".

    Only to then claim he meant just Gaza (ruled by Hamas), not Trans/Jordan's former so-called "West Bank" (ruled by Fatah). As if the "society" is different because 11 years ago Hamas won an election by 3%? Ignoring that today Fatah is more popular in both (with nearly identical support, a 1% difference).


    He then claimed this as his "standard":

    AyaTrolLiar> this doesn't result in gays getting killed

    Actually, it does. Gays have been murdered - both in Gaza and the "WB" - by authorities and honor killings, with impunity, by family members.

    Remember, this is the flunky idiot who takes Israel to task for not granting asylum to gay Palestinian Arabs... even while claiming they don't need asylum. icon_rolleyes.gif


    You can walk up to a GAY Palestinian Arab and ask: "Hey, you think Tom Cruise is gay?" and you'll get a reasonable answer. But ask about the possibility of Arafat being gay and the Gay Shame will explode in your face. Ask if Arafat being gay would be a good thing for gay rights in "Palestine"... and they'll blow up in your face.

    AyaTrolLiar> [petty and irrelevant personal attack]


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    Oct 01, 2017 11:35 AM GMT
    Confusion reins in this puny "mind":

    BUBI> The guy who lectured us that there are no "Israeli Arabs", only "Palestinians", now wants us to think that Israelis can be Arabs, not just Jews?

    The reference was to Israelis as opposed to Jews elsewhere, who are often less racist.
    Again, I didn't intend to trip him up, but down he goes again!

    Notice also the the trademark hypocrisy: the guy who lectured us on letting Jews define themselves (except when they identify as foreign nationals "of Jewish faith") is still pushing a contrived designation - "Israeli Arabs" - that Palestinian citizens overwhelmingly reject and despise.

    More idiocy:

    BUBI> He explained ... [Gazans'] homophobia is the result of their "conservative religious society"

    I didn't even describe them as "homophobic". The voices in his head are strong!

    BUBI> Gays have been murdered - both in Gaza and the "WB" - by authorities and honor killings

    Still struggling to find a case of Hamas "executing" a single person on a charge of homosexuality?
    Is this going to take as long as the proof that others claim gays in Palestine lead the good life? icon_rolleyes.gif

    But wait, the "authorities" in the "WB" (he struggles even to say the words) are the PA!

    I can humiliate him now one of two ways:

    1.) Force him to name a PA "execution" of gays in the West Bank - pronounced /wɛst baŋk/ - (yes it is possible to say, even for ESL flunkies). Or...

    2.) Ask him why he supports a corrupt, torturing, unelected, Constitution-shredding institution Palestinians want to see disbanded, which allegedly murders people for being gay?

    BUBI> takes Israel to task for not granting asylum to gay Palestinian Arabs... even while claiming they don't need asylum

    Fail. I take Israel to task for refusing asylum to anyone who needs it (be they Black, Arab, gay, or returning Palestinian and Druze refugees expelled from their homes) on the noxious basis of race and religion. You know, everything you love, lick the backside of, and defend - the PA, Islamophobes, and Israel-friendly dictatorships to boot.
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    Oct 03, 2017 6:23 AM GMT
    What a pathetic attempt to equate Jews and nazis

    AyaTrolLiar> Why does "Israeli" always = "Jew", for people like him

    ROTFL. The guy who lectured us that there are no "Israeli Arabs", only "Palestinians", now wants us to think that Israelis can be Arabs, not just Jews?

    AyaTrolLiar> The reference was to Israelis as opposed to Jews elsewhere

    ROTFL. Who but a racist would think that stereotyping only 6 million people, not 14 million, makes him ok?!


    AyaTrolLiar> pushing a contrived designation - "Israeli Arabs" - that Palestinian citizens overwhelmingly reject

    Citizens of the Palestinian Authority (and Gaza/Hamastan) are NOT Israeli Arabs.
    Arabs in Israel self-identify as Israeli Arabs, are proud to be Israeli and want to live in Israel.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1443151

    38% of Israeli Arabs identify as "Palestinian".
    44% amongst Muslim Arabs, 24% of Christian Arabs and a tiny 3% of Druze Arabs.

    Ponder that the AyaTrolLiar, in pandering to self-identification, wishes to deny that to Israeli Arabs (as they disagree with his hate-driven politics) - just as he denies it to Jews.


    AyaTrolLiar> a comment on eunuch's demented state

    It's where the AyaTrolLiar immediately went that is indicative of the AyaTrolLiar's demented state: mad with hate.

    AyaTrolLiar> [flees]


    AyaTrolLiar> AyaTrolLiar> Who claims life is "great" for gay men?

    Sam, IanCT and GymFreak did.

    AyaTrolLiar> you have no evidence of OTHERS claiming the gay life in Palestine is good

    Is he saying they didn't say so?
    Or mean we have to look for evidence from "others", not from the usual suspects spouting their propaganda nonsense which people should of course ignore?

    AyaTrolLiar> [wups]


    Without ever an objection from the AyaTrolLiar, who condoned their pinkwashing lies-for-the-cause with silence.
    Never once addressing the plight of gay Palestinian Arabs, even in threads dedicated to that topic.
    It took a decade from him to blurt out that it is an extremely homophobic "conservative religious society".


    AyaTrolLiar> you have none of me claiming Palestinians are "extremely homophobic"

    He explained (or rather inadvertently blurted out that) their homophobia is the result of their "conservative religious society".

    AyaTrolLiar> I didn't even describe them as "homophobic"

    ROTFL. So the "conservative religious society" was just to explain why gays in the PA/Hamas territories flee to Israel? Because they prefer the liberal Israeli society even if relegated to an underground community, this over life back home with their family and friends? And not because they might be murdered - with impunity! - by their own father or sibling in an honor killing that is part and parcel of this "conservative religious society"... but that's not homophobic?

    Ponder just how insane, mad with Jew-hate, someone has to be to pretzel himself so extremely.


    Only to then claim he meant just Gaza (ruled by Hamas), not Trans/Jordan's former so-called "West Bank" (ruled by Fatah). As if the "society" is different because 11 years ago Hamas won an election by 3%? Ignoring that today Fatah is more popular in both (with nearly identical support, a 1% difference).

    AyaTrolLiar> [wups]


    He then claimed this as his "standard":

    AyaTrolLiar> this doesn't result in gays getting killed

    Gays have been murdered - both in Gaza and the "WB" - by authorities and honor killings, with impunity, by family members.

    AyaTrolLiar> Still struggling to find a case of Hamas "executing" a single person on a charge of homosexuality?

    Newsweek: HAMAS EXECUTES PROMINENT COMMANDER AFTER ACCUSATIONS OF GAY SEX
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4188753

    Vittorio Arrigoni Murdered In Gaza By Palestinian Terrorists - Because He Was Gay?
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1506698

    Countries That Support Gays Or Kill Them
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/984797

    Gay Palestinians
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1061322


    Remember, this is the flunky idiot who takes Israel to task for not granting asylum to gay Palestinian Arabs... even while claiming they don't need asylum. icon_rolleyes.gif

    AyaTrolLiar> I take Israel to task for refusing asylum to anyone who needs it

    Exposing his complete lack of logic and inability to build an actual argument.
    Like Sam, he sees nothing wrong with arguing from conflicting premises.
    A → B
    NotA → C
    B and C are true!

    The reality is the reversal of the scientific method.
    B and C are not proper conclusions but themselves the premise.
    With A, or NotA, invented as "proof".
    It is: A ← B and, circularly, A → B
    It is: NotA ← C and, circularly, NotA → C
    Oblivious to the contradiction of NotA and A.
    Or perhaps like Sam, believing that both can be true "in different contexts".


    You can walk up to a GAY Palestinian Arab and ask: "Hey, you think Tom Cruise is gay?" and you'll get a reasonable answer. But ask about the possibility of Arafat being gay and the Gay Shame will explode in your face. Ask if Arafat being gay would be a good thing for gay rights in "Palestine"... and they'll blow up in your face.

    AyaTrolLiar> [crawls back under his rock]


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    Oct 03, 2017 10:45 PM GMT
    Yes, he really is this pathetic and unable to think rationally. But in all likelihood right now, the motive is just to keep this vile thread by elephant brain bumping along, which is why I will move my replies to the dishonesty thread, where all his other falsehoods are addressed.

    Butt-Ugly Bigot from Israel> Who but a racist would think that stereotyping only 6 million people, not 14 million, makes him ok?

    Once again you've swerved the point, and outed yourself as a liar.
    My accurate depiction of ISRAELIS was just that, not a comment on "Jews".

    This idiocy, in any other forum, would now be put to bed: I made a point and he lied about it.
    But he'll continue digging himself in deeper. Just watch.

    BUBI> Citizens of the Palestinian Authority ... and Gaza ... are NOT Israeli Arabs

    Really? Knock me down with a feather. I had no idea... icon_rolleyes.gif

    But it gets even crazier:

    BUBI> Arabs in Israel self-identify as Israeli Arabs

    21.8%, according to a survey 16 years ago, compared to 2/3rds who define themselves as 'Palestinian'. And experts agree the trend has only been to identify as more 'Palestinian' over time.

    BUBI> are proud to be Israeli

    14.1% of those with an opinion consider themselves "very proud."
    A majority consider themselves either "not so proud" or "not at all proud".

    BUBI> and want to live in Israel

    Well d'uh, it's their homeland.
    The majority also commemorate Nakba Day as a "catastrophe".

    BUBI> 38% of Israeli Arabs identify as "Palestinian".

    Not aware of the survey, but it is either unrepresentative or lacks granularity.

    "Israel's Palestinians: The Conflict Within" (Ilan Peleg, Dov Waxman):

    || In numerous surveys conducted over many years, the majority of Arab citizens define themselves as Palestinian rather than 'Israeli Arab.'

    Typically, surveys cited by BUBI promote skewed data through ineptly phrased questions, for example posing "Palestinian" and "Arab" as mutually exclusive in multiple choice formats, or even contrasting "Palestinian" with "Palestinian Arab" (when in reality of course both terms are not only not mutually exclusive, but indicative of a 'Palestinian', as opposed to 'Israeli', identity).

    BUBI> Ponder that the AyaTrolLiar, in pandering to self-identification, wishes to deny that to Israeli Arabs (as they disagree with his hate-driven politics) - just as he denies it to Jews

    A theory soundly debunked. But it's a subject that deserves its own thread, and which he can't pursue other than as a distraction here, so I'll create one.

    BUBI> It's where the AyaTrolLiar immediately went that is indicative of the AyaTrolLiar's demented state: mad with hate

    The original statement he ignored (while responding lamely to a tangent):

    As for [your] pathetic statement that I equate Nazis and "Jews", never mind the double logic fail, is he saying the two are mutually exclusive? What then are we to call "liberal" heroes of his like Alan Dershowitz, who advocate the destruction of Palestinian villages in response to "terror", a well-known Nazi policy in response to (no less brutal) Partisan "terror"?

    BUBI> ??

    Of course, this is challenging for simpletons who think the designation "Nazi" applies only to those guilty of the full range of Nazi atrocities up to and including the Holocaust, as opposed to most normal people who consider things like ethnic cleansing, village destruction and state-codified racism evidence enough of Nazism on its own...

    BUBI> Is he saying they didn't say so?

    You STILL have no evidence for that?
    Might it be you're feigning incredulity to buy time..?

    BUBI> So the "conservative religious society" was just to explain why gays in the PA/Hamas territories flee to Israel?

    Scarecely. As I said, comparison between the number who do flee and the number that don't bother suffices to prove the "issue" is hardly a salient one.

    BUBI> Because they prefer the liberal Israeli society even if relegated to an underground community, this over life back home with their family and friends?

    You barely even cohere at this point, let alone have anything intelligent to say. But I'm guessing it's something to do with a minority of a minority (of a population which wants to leave Gaza for a whole plethora of reasons) fleeing their homes to live as an "underground community" in a "liberal" Israeli society, right? ROTFL.

    BUBI> And not because they might be murdered - with impunity! - by their own father or sibling in an honor killing that is part and parcel of this "conservative religious society"... but that's not homophobic?

    "Honour" killings are not sanctioned by Islam and are rare in the Palestinian Territories.
    Of the tens of thousands of deaths every year, on average about five take place in Palestine.

    But notice the sick implication?

    In Kurdistan, for example, the rate of "honour" killings is orders of magnitude higher than in Hamas-ruled Gaza - and higher than in the Arab world generally. An Iraqi BUBI (with the same initials) might well be able to point to data showing a minority of affected Kurds flee to Arab areas as well. Does this tell us anything about the Kurdish RIGHT to self-determination, or the role of Iraq in oppressing them for decades? Only unprincipled hacks would credit such faux solidarity.

    BUBI> Only to then claim he meant just Gaza (ruled by Hamas), not Trans/Jordan's former so-called "West Bank" (ruled by Fatah).

    How many times does he have to be educated on this?
    Jordan never owned the West Bank (like Israel, its claim was universally rejected), and both the West Bank and the Gaza Strip are occupied by Israel. In the West Bank, Israel has full security control over most of the area, and enters the other (smaller) areas to do what it wants at will.

    BUBI> As if the "society" is different because 11 years ago Hamas won an election by 3%? Ignoring that today Fatah is more popular in both (with nearly identical support, a 1% difference)

    False. Anyone familiar with the history is aware that while Fatah (under Yasir Arafat) was always king, the Muslim Brotherhood and its Hamas & Islamic Jihad offshoots always exerted a far greater influence on the Strip than on the West Bank. The First Intifada ignited in the Gazan camps, and racist Israeli officers long called it the "snake pit" (me'arat nachashim).

    The 2006 election proves my point. Hamas won a majority (not a plurality) of seats in a national parliamentary election, but gained far more proportionally in Gaza than in the West Bank. The vote was declared "free and fair", despite efforts by Tel Aviv and the Bush administration to swing it to Fatah under the useless leadership of Abbas.

    As for future elections, Palestinians want the PA dismantled, but failing that, the resignation of Abbas and his replacement by Haniya.

    Reuters [Sep. 16]:

    || Some opinion polls have showed that if parliamentary elections were held now, Hamas would win both in Gaza and the Israeli-occupied West Bank, the seat of Abbas’s Palestinian Authority.

    Jewish News [Sep. 18]:

    || The request, by Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas, was designed to force Hamas into relinquishing control of Gaza, but seems to have back-fired – polls routinely show that Hamas is far more popular than Fatah both in Gaza and the West Bank.

    Al Jazeera [Oct. 2]:

    || Most analysts expect the reconciliation process to fail, as previous attempts have. The biggest stumbling block is likely to be over long-promised elections. Polls suggest that Hamas would win in both Gaza and the West Bank.

    2017 is the 10-year anniversary of the abortive Fatah coup backed by the US and Israel. The only problem is, if another election goes "the wrong way" and needs be "terminated with extreme prejudice" (to adopt CIA lingo), their point man, Muhammad Dahlan, is now on the side of Hamas...
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    Oct 03, 2017 11:15 PM GMT
    The rest is just idiocy. An abject failure to respond to a simple question:

    Still struggling to find a case of Hamas "executing" a single person on a charge of homosexuality?

    He lists a grand total of two examples over ten years of Hamas rule. Unfortunately for him, neither one survives a second look.

    The first is a Hamas commander, who fellow officials claimed got into an "internal argument" with the leadership, and whose family (and the only doctor who viewed the body) believe starved himself to death. The idea he was gay is based on a rumour. He was neither charged nor explicitly condemned for gay "offences", though he was believed to be guilty of collaboration in the attempted murder of a Hamas leader, and had recently been exonerated on charges of corruption.

    The second example is Vittorio Arrigoni, who again was probably not gay, and definitely not murdered by Hamas, but by a Salafist group seeking a ransom to free its leaders from prison. Did they murder him for being gay? No. Not only was this never given as a reason, his captors seemed completely unaware of the fact, if it was even true.

    The Arrigoni case in particular has proved fertile ground for conspiracy theories, where homophobic and standard anti-Arab elements in the "pro"-Israel community get together to meet.

    BUBI> You can walk up to a GAY Palestinian Arab and ask: "Hey, you think Tom Cruise is gay?" and you'll get a reasonable answer

    Right, which is "no".

    BUBI> But ask about the possibility of Arafat being gay and the Gay Shame will explode in your face. Ask if Arafat being gay would be a good thing for gay rights in "Palestine"... and they'll blow up in your face

    Dude, try getting laid someday, as it's painfully evident that NO ONE ever blows up in your face (no matter how many times you repeat the phrase).

    Now I heard if you walk up to a Black man and ask him if he's gay, he'll assault you.
    Hey, don't judge me for that: a friend of mine was attacked, and my uncle (who used to live in Harlem) says Blacks are inherently violent and homophobic...

    That's BUBI for you - irrelevant anecdotes... crude generalisations... defamation.
    Consider that average racists tend to "just" defame Palestinians, or whatever other group it may be that gets them going. But BUBI is so extreme he defames even Palestinian GAYS!