Yes, he really is this pathetic and unable to think rationally. But in all likelihood right now, the motive is just to keep this vile thread by elephant brain bumping along, which is why I will move my replies to the dishonesty thread, where all his other falsehoods are addressed.
Butt-Ugly Bigot from Israel> Who but a racist would think that stereotyping only 6 million people, not 14 million, makes him ok?
Once again you've swerved the point, and outed yourself as a liar.
My accurate depiction of ISRAELIS was just that, not a comment on "Jews".
This idiocy, in any other forum, would now be put to bed: I made a point and he lied about it.
But he'll continue digging himself in deeper. Just watch.
BUBI> Citizens of the Palestinian Authority ... and Gaza ... are NOT Israeli Arabs
Really? Knock me down with a feather. I had no idea...
But it gets even crazier:
BUBI> Arabs in Israel self-identify as Israeli Arabs
21.8%, according to a survey 16 years ago, compared to 2/3rds who define themselves as 'Palestinian'. And experts agree the trend has only been to identify as more 'Palestinian' over time.
BUBI> are proud to be Israeli
14.1% of those with an opinion consider themselves "very proud."
A majority consider themselves either "not so proud" or "not at all proud".
BUBI> and want to live in Israel
Well d'uh, it's their homeland.
The majority also commemorate Nakba Day as a "catastrophe".
BUBI> 38% of Israeli Arabs identify as "Palestinian".
Not aware of the survey, but it is either unrepresentative or lacks granularity.
"Israel's Palestinians: The Conflict Within" (Ilan Peleg, Dov Waxman):
|| In numerous surveys conducted over many years, the majority of Arab citizens define themselves as Palestinian rather than 'Israeli Arab.'
Typically, surveys cited by BUBI promote skewed data through ineptly phrased questions, for example posing "Palestinian" and "Arab" as mutually exclusive in multiple choice formats, or even contrasting "Palestinian" with "Palestinian Arab" (when in reality of course both terms are not only not mutually exclusive, but indicative of a 'Palestinian', as opposed to 'Israeli', identity).
BUBI> Ponder that the AyaTrolLiar, in pandering to self-identification, wishes to deny that to Israeli Arabs (as they disagree with his hate-driven politics) - just as he denies it to Jews
A theory soundly debunked. But it's a subject that deserves its own thread, and which he can't pursue other than as a distraction here, so I'll create one.
BUBI> It's where the AyaTrolLiar immediately went that is indicative of the AyaTrolLiar's demented state: mad with hate
The original statement he ignored (while responding lamely to a tangent):As for [your] pathetic statement that I equate Nazis and "Jews", never mind the double logic fail, is he saying the two are mutually exclusive? What then are we to call "liberal" heroes of his like Alan Dershowitz, who advocate the destruction of Palestinian villages in response to "terror", a well-known Nazi policy in response to (no less brutal) Partisan "terror"?
Of course, this is challenging for simpletons who think the designation "Nazi" applies only to those guilty of the full range of Nazi atrocities up to and including the Holocaust, as opposed to most normal people who consider things like ethnic cleansing, village destruction and state-codified racism evidence enough of Nazism on its own...
BUBI> Is he saying they didn't say so?
You STILL have no evidence for that?
Might it be you're feigning incredulity to buy time..?
BUBI> So the "conservative religious society" was just to explain why gays in the PA/Hamas territories flee to Israel?
Scarecely. As I said, comparison between the number who do flee and the number that don't bother suffices to prove the "issue" is hardly a salient one.
BUBI> Because they prefer the liberal Israeli society even if relegated to an underground community, this over life back home with their family and friends?
You barely even cohere at this point, let alone have anything intelligent to say. But I'm guessing it's something to do with a minority of a minority (of a population which wants to leave Gaza for a whole plethora of reasons) fleeing their homes to live as an "underground community" in a "liberal" Israeli society, right? ROTFL.
BUBI> And not because they might be murdered - with impunity! - by their own father or sibling in an honor killing that is part and parcel of this "conservative religious society"... but that's not homophobic?
"Honour" killings are not sanctioned by Islam and are rare in the Palestinian Territories.
Of the tens of thousands of deaths every year, on average about five take place in Palestine.
But notice the sick implication?
In Kurdistan, for example, the rate of "honour" killings is orders of magnitude higher than in Hamas-ruled Gaza - and higher than in the Arab world generally. An Iraqi BUBI (with the same initials) might well be able to point to data showing a minority of affected Kurds flee to Arab areas as well. Does this tell us anything about the Kurdish RIGHT to self-determination, or the role of Iraq in oppressing them for decades? Only unprincipled hacks would credit such faux solidarity.
BUBI> Only to then claim he meant just Gaza (ruled by Hamas), not Trans/Jordan's former so-called "West Bank" (ruled by Fatah).
How many times does he have to be educated on this?
Jordan never owned the West Bank (like Israel, its claim was universally rejected), and both the West Bank and the Gaza Strip are occupied by Israel. In the West Bank, Israel has full security control over most of the area, and enters the other (smaller) areas to do what it wants at will.
BUBI> As if the "society" is different because 11 years ago Hamas won an election by 3%? Ignoring that today Fatah is more popular in both (with nearly identical support, a 1% difference)
False. Anyone familiar with the history is aware that while Fatah (under Yasir Arafat) was always king, the Muslim Brotherhood and its Hamas & Islamic Jihad offshoots always exerted a far greater influence on the Strip than on the West Bank. The First Intifada ignited in the Gazan camps, and racist Israeli officers long called it the "snake pit" (me'arat nachashim).
The 2006 election proves my point. Hamas won a majority (not a plurality) of seats in a national parliamentary election, but gained far more proportionally in Gaza than in the West Bank. The vote was declared "free and fair", despite efforts by Tel Aviv and the Bush administration to swing it to Fatah under the useless leadership of Abbas.
As for future elections, Palestinians want the PA dismantled, but failing that, the resignation of Abbas and his replacement by Haniya.
Reuters [Sep. 16]:
|| Some opinion polls have showed that if parliamentary elections were held now, Hamas would win both in Gaza and the Israeli-occupied West Bank, the seat of Abbas’s Palestinian Authority.
Jewish News [Sep. 18]:
|| The request, by Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas, was designed to force Hamas into relinquishing control of Gaza, but seems to have back-fired – polls routinely show that Hamas is far more popular than Fatah both in Gaza and the West Bank.
Al Jazeera [Oct. 2]:
|| Most analysts expect the reconciliation process to fail, as previous attempts have. The biggest stumbling block is likely to be over long-promised elections. Polls suggest that Hamas would win in both Gaza and the West Bank.
2017 is the 10-year anniversary of the abortive Fatah coup backed by the US and Israel. The only problem is, if another election goes "the wrong way" and needs be "terminated with extreme prejudice" (to adopt CIA lingo), their point man, Muhammad Dahlan, is now on the side of Hamas...