Orlando Shooter spotted on "Adam4Adam", Grindr and in the Pulse Nightclub at least a dozen times...

  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 14, 2016 12:11 AM GMT
    Reported on MSNBC through interviews with several Florida gay men, that the Orlando shooter had frequented (and interacted) with gay men on Adam and Grindr and had been in the Pulse Club many times.
    Sounds like a twisted fascination with homosexuality.
  • Unnamed6

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    Jun 14, 2016 12:30 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidReported on MSNBC through interviews with several Florida gay men, that the Orlando shooter had frequented (and interacted) with gay men on Adam and Grindr and had been in the Pulse Club many times.
    Sounds like a twisted fascination with homosexuality.


    I was hoping to talk about the Koreans and the Virginia Tech Shooting (which had been number 1 for a shooting rampage up until the Pulse Shooting) before this gay news hit, and how Koreans played a role to decisively deflect any culpability that Korean culture, like Korean parenting, could have been responsible for the shooting. When that happened, I think almost every Korean instantly knew why it happened but just didn't want to share that with everyone else. I think the same will happen with the Pulse Shooting as it comes to the gay community in that they will want to whitewash themselves of any responsibility and blame "terrorism" and Muslims instead, and not have to deal with issues like self-hatred (Omar seemed to have a lot of that), body image issues (apparently he worked out a lot), racial preferences (him being or looking Arab lessens those who would be willing to date him), etc, etc, and to have such issues scrutinized by outsiders.
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    Jun 14, 2016 12:52 AM GMT
    why am I not surprised?
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    Jun 14, 2016 12:54 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidReported on MSNBC through interviews with several Florida gay men, that the Orlando shooter had frequented (and interacted) with gay men on Adam and Grindr and had been in the Pulse Club many times.
    Sounds like a twisted fascination with homosexuality.


    Tricking or being insidious on apps, dancing or scoping out a soft target in person? Secretly gay but dealing with religious indoctrination? Maybe into drag queens so could have been pansexual and unable to cope with that, not unusual given no support from his family, nor str8 nor even from most of gay community.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/omar-mateen-pulse-visited-orlando-shooting-2016-6....was a regular at the gay nightclub ...The man police say killed 49 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando on Sunday had visited the club at least a dozen times before carrying out his attack (a dozen times is a regular? they don't know us very well, do they?)...

    Three other witnesses confirmed that they had also seen at the nightclub more than once before.

    "Sometimes he would go over in the corner and sit and drink by himself, and other times he would get so drunk he was loud and belligerent," ...

    ..."He's been going to this bar for at least three years," Chris Callen, who performs at Pulse under the name Kristina McLaughlin, told The Canadian Press.

    Smith and Callen say that they stopped talking to Mateen when he pulled a knife on them after they made a religious comment.

    "He said if he ever messed with him again, you know how it'll turn out," Callen said.

    An Orlando man told MSNBC's Chris Hayes on Monday that he had seen photos of Mateen on the gay dating apps Grindr, Adam4Adam, and Jack'd over the last several years. At least two of the man's friends had been contacted by Mateen on the apps.

    "He was very creepy in his messages, and I blocked him immediately," the man said.


    What a freaking disaster whatever the story.

    My nephew actually goes to that bar sometimes. He's str8 but a cool kid & was not at the shooting, thank God.
  • ANTiSociaLiNJ...

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    Jun 14, 2016 1:01 AM GMT
    What a circus. I wonder how ISIS will now feel after these details come out. After all, didn't they proudly take credit for this catastrophe?
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    Jun 14, 2016 1:29 AM GMT
    It could be part ISIS-"inspired", could be anything. Looks so far like a combination of a bunch of shit in that guy's head. Inevitably, however, it falls on society (whether that's religion or republicans--just a little dig) treating us like shit wherein festered those thoughts that allowed this to occur. If we were as fully accepted into society as is heterosexuality, then this would not have happened.

    This is fucking horrendous. I just saw a quick clip of Anderson Cooper interviewing a kid who was shot in a bathroom stall. Holy fucking crap what that kid lived through.
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    Jun 14, 2016 1:45 AM GMT
    Interesting development, this is why these extremely closeted religious and or republican figures that eventually "get caught" or outed are dangerous people. These are the people who use and or get caught up in extortion or blackmail in order to hide, protect their true selves, identities or feelings, this is well documented.

    I mean we just found out this year that republicans at their CPAC convention were using Grindr, many closeted gay men build up this frustration, with no outlet. This is why its important to come out, but someone conflicted by brainwashing extreme religion, is going have internal issues icon_confused.gif

    The shooter didn't shoot black people? He was asking their race before he shot them icon_confused.gif


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    Jun 14, 2016 1:52 AM GMT
    theantijock saidIt could be part ISIS-"inspired", could be anything. Looks so far like a combination of a bunch of shit in that guy's head. Inevitably, however, it falls on society (whether that's religion or republicans--just a little dig) treating us like shit wherein festered those thoughts that allowed this to occur. If we were as fully accepted into society as is heterosexuality, then this would not have happened.

    This is fucking horrendous. I just saw a quick clip of Anderson Cooper interviewing a kid who was shot in a bathroom stall. Holy fucking crap what that kid lived through.




    I just saw that too, OMG, he fired the 9 mm over top of the toilet stalls that several people were piled in to, this is where the PD punched a hole in the bathroom wall, the shooter came out of the wall to the outside after shooting everyone in the stalls, which is where police shot killed him

    You can see all the bullet holes around the one hole, just shocking icon_eek.gif

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  • Triggerman

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    Jun 14, 2016 1:52 AM GMT
    I think I called this on here or another site. Self hating gay
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    Jun 14, 2016 4:56 AM GMT
    Not much worse than a homophobic homosexual... Known in many circles as a closet case.
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    Jun 14, 2016 5:01 AM GMT
    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior saidWhat a circus. I wonder how ISIS will now feel after these details come out. After all, didn't they proudly take credit for this catastrophe?


    I'm not sure it matters now. They already benefited. And they can just say they conned a gay person into killing other gays, that they are that powerful.
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    Jun 14, 2016 5:04 AM GMT
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    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior saidWhat a circus. I wonder how ISIS will now feel after these details come out. After all, didn't they proudly take credit for this catastrophe?

    I'm not sure it matters now. They already benefited. And they can just say they conned a gay person into killing other gays, that they are that powerful.

    Agreed. I seriously doubt that logical rational thinking is a big factor in what's going on in their heads.
  • Buddha

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    Jun 14, 2016 5:37 AM GMT
    This of course in no way justifies his actions. And while I think that the individual in the end is responsible for their actions, I think this really puts a lot of the blood on the muslim community.

    The father had earlier said that "homosexuals will be punished by god". This makes it pretty clear that he has some rampant homophobia inside him that has trickled down to his son. If you're a straight man, worst case scenario you might beat up a gay guy, but if you're gay you're going to end up wit a self-loathing man who has an identity in chaos.

    The muslim community MUST actively weed out all forms of homophobia. I am myself brought up in a muslim family, but I'm just blessed to have parents who are both muslim and accepting of who I am. The reason I feel conflicted about this now is because hadn't my father been the gentle spirit he is, had I ended up with another more strict muslim father, maybe I would too been omar.

    But the muslim community as a whole still listens so much to the Arabic world so much. We have an issue in Sweden of a muslim man in politics refusing to shake hands with women, and he was immediately relieved of his duties. There was huge cry-out in media by him and his friends how muslims were oppressed by western norms. In one discussion, one man who himself was ex-muslim, said that they only wanted to break norms if it benefitted their cause; and if they truly wanted to fight norms in society, perhaps they would march with him in the pride parade? None of them responded clearly, they started mumbling, talking about structures in society, believing in what you want to believe in etc. This is where they need to start: it's a clear-cut case, "yes, I'll happily walk in the pride parade. We're all born differently". That's it. I don't want to pander too much to people who hate islam, because I don't agree with them either (all abrahamic religions are equally shit imo).

    I know there have been some muslim leaders who have spoken out against homophobia and I applaud that, I just want and need there to be more. I get that you have religious freedom and etc, but women's rights, gay rights and trans rights should be a non-issue. If I could choose, I would demand that all religious foundations must have a program where they take up these issues, otherwise their state-funding should be cut and shouldn't be allowed to have any space in public. It should be that simple. It's not oppressing religion, it's simply forcing religion to adapt to the modern society or die with the 19th century.
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    Jun 14, 2016 5:43 AM GMT
    His wife said he liked to go clubbing, even when they first met. And we know that some women and even straight men were to be found in the Pulse.

    The only guy he had contact with on a gay app who was actually interviewed (so far as has been broadcast on MSNBC or elsewhere), said the shooter was asking online about which were the hottest gay clubs. No solicitation of hookups/dates, etc. He said that a couple of his friends had also had contact with him on apps, but they refused to be interviewed. So far only this one guy has come forward to say that there was any contact on a gay app.

    I'm sure that anyone else he mentioned, has been (or will be) contacted by the FBI, but until I hear statements to the contrary, I would conclude that the shooter was scoping out gay clubs, not looking for sex.
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    Jun 14, 2016 5:56 AM GMT
    I think the guy was bat s-t crazy from growing up In a crazy home environment. Who knows what he was thinking, but my guess is gay tendencies that he just couldn't resolve with his home life and religious upbringing and that helped to set him off.
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    Jun 14, 2016 6:18 AM GMT
    HikerSkier saidHis wife said he liked to go clubbing, even when they first met. And we know that some women and even straight men were to be found in the Pulse.

    The only guy he had contact with on a gay app who was actually interviewed (so far as has been broadcast on MSNBC or elsewhere), said the shooter was asking online about which were the hottest gay clubs. No solicitation of hookups/dates, etc. He said that a couple of his friends had also had contact with him on apps, but they refused to be interviewed. So far only this one guy has come forward to say that there was any contact on a gay app.

    I'm sure that anyone else he mentioned, has been (or will be) contacted by the FBI, but until I hear statements to the contrary, I would conclude that the shooter was scoping out gay clubs, not looking for sex.


    The Orlando Sentinel and an outlet called The Canadian Press, the original sources of persons interviewed, have stated that Omar had been seen at the Pulse dozens of times over a three year period and has even gotten wasted many times there.
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    Jun 14, 2016 6:23 AM GMT
    Buddha saidThis of course in no way justifies his actions. And while I think that the individual in the end is responsible for their actions, I think this really puts a lot of the blood on the muslim community.

    The father had earlier said that "homosexuals will be punished by god". This makes it pretty clear that he has some rampant homophobia inside him that has trickled down to his son. If you're a straight man, worst case scenario you might beat up a gay guy, but if you're gay you're going to end up wit a self-loathing man who has an identity in chaos.

    The muslim community MUST actively weed out all forms of homophobia. I am myself brought up in a muslim family, but I'm just blessed to have parents who are both muslim and accepting of who I am. The reason I feel conflicted about this now is because hadn't my father been the gentle spirit he is, had I ended up with another more strict muslim father, maybe I would too been omar.

    But the muslim community as a whole still listens so much to the Arabic world so much. We have an issue in Sweden of a muslim man in politics refusing to shake hands with women, and he was immediately relieved of his duties. There was huge cry-out in media by him and his friends how muslims were oppressed by western norms. In one discussion, one man who himself was ex-muslim, said that they only wanted to break norms if it benefitted their cause; and if they truly wanted to fight norms in society, perhaps they would march with him in the pride parade? None of them responded clearly, they started mumbling, talking about structures in society, believing in what you want to believe in etc. This is where they need to start: it's a clear-cut case, "yes, I'll happily walk in the pride parade. We're all born differently". That's it. I don't want to pander too much to people who hate islam, because I don't agree with them either (all abrahamic religions are equally shit imo).

    I know there have been some muslim leaders who have spoken out against homophobia and I applaud that, I just want and need there to be more. I get that you have religious freedom and etc, but women's rights, gay rights and trans rights should be a non-issue. If I could choose, I would demand that all religious foundations must have a program where they take up these issues, otherwise their state-funding should be cut and shouldn't be allowed to have any space in public. It should be that simple. It's not oppressing religion, it's simply forcing religion to adapt to the modern society or die with the 19th century.



    It's my truest belief that many in the middle east...including afghanistan----a place where raping young boys( SEE LINK https://reclaimourrepublic.wordpress.com/2015/09/26/video-sexual-abuse-of-dancing-boys-in-afghanistan-bacha-bazi-and-its-impact-on-americans-serving-there-mb-obama-punishes-us-troops/ ) is allowed and permitted-----along with Sauda Arabia---not toe mention IRAN----all kill, stone to death and hang gay people. CRAZY ALL OF THE FUCKS!!

    Oh and I must add.....ISIS who BURN to death their victims and behead them and slaughter them LIKE PIGS----long and documented history of all my words!!

    Yes....least we forget the WOMEN who are treated like DOGS and can't drive or vote and are literal SLAVES!!

    I FULLY SEE WHY THIS GUY COULD BE A GAY RADICAL MUSLIM WHO IS VERY UNSTABLE.

    RAMADAN IS A PLACE TO COLLABORATE ON THE NEXT???

    YUP ALL CRAZY
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    HikerSkier saidHis wife said he liked to go clubbing, even when they first met. And we know that some women and even straight men were to be found in the Pulse.

    The only guy he had contact with on a gay app who was actually interviewed (so far as has been broadcast on MSNBC or elsewhere), said the shooter was asking online about which were the hottest gay clubs. No solicitation of hookups/dates, etc. He said that a couple of his friends had also had contact with him on apps, but they refused to be interviewed. So far only this one guy has come forward to say that there was any contact on a gay app.

    I'm sure that anyone else he mentioned, has been (or will be) contacted by the FBI, but until I hear statements to the contrary, I would conclude that the shooter was scoping out gay clubs, not looking for sex.


    The Orlando Sentinel and an outlet called The Canadian Press, the original sources of persons interviewed, have stated that Omar had been seen at the Pulse dozens of times over a three year period and has even gotten wasted many times there.


    No dispute as to his having been seen at that club. So far, no guy has said that the shooter came on to him at Pulse. What is in question, is whether he might have solicited sex on Grindr/Adam/Jackd apps. No first hand accounts yet published (AFAIK) that he had.
  • MarvelClimber

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    Jun 14, 2016 12:54 PM GMT
    When tragedy strikes we reach out for an explanation. The shooter is dead; we won't get one. Whether he was closet case or a calculating sociopath doing research for maximum deathcount glosses over the issue that he was able to get enough guns to have the highest mass shooting deathcount in US history. That's what's insane to me. Who gives a shit about his psychological reasons? What difference does his religion or self-radicalization make? Those are not tangible things that any of us can change. We do have voices, and money, and voting power to demand our politicians make severe changes in gun policy. We need to stop this "responsible gun owner" mess. What has the freedom to have guns done for us as a society? It's literally killing us.

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    Jun 14, 2016 1:02 PM GMT
    I don't really care whether he's gay, bi, straight, bi-curious, closeted gay, DL, etc. What I care about is that he perpetrated a monstrosity and many people died. I'm focused on the victims and the people who loved them, not the perpetrator.
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    Jun 14, 2016 1:07 PM GMT
    I wouldn't assume that the terrorists who planned the 911 attacks were Patriotic Americans so why assume this terrorist was gay or bi.
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    Jun 14, 2016 1:33 PM GMT
    I expect he had enormous conflict between his family and religious beliefs and his liking for men and couldn't cope with this side of himself and wanted to destroy it in a violent rage, I don't think he killed people for the islamist terror reasons, I think he was a very troubled guy who didn't seek revenge but wanted an end to his suffering.
    I would be interested in hearing from any guys who have had huge conflict for religious reasons and could maybe understand how he could do this. I guess some people may hurt themselves, others hurt other people whilst some just move past these emotions and get better and move on with their lives.
    I think we should think about the torment he may have been feeling for him to do this and feel sorry for him, his family friends and the victims of this terrible tragedy.
    In some ways he was a victim too so maybe we should take it in our hearts to remember him not with anger but humility and hope that this doesn't happen again, maybe if someone else is feeling the same way they may get help before another tragedy like this happens again.
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    Jun 14, 2016 1:40 PM GMT
    They said he'd often get drunk and act belligerent at gay bars. Not sure that would entail scoping out a target. Would like to know what he'd say while belligerent. Was it both self-hatred and feeling rejected? Wanting someone but despising that want and using religion to justify his final act. Where are the pics he posted on these apps? What was in his profiles?
  • rnch

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    Jun 14, 2016 2:27 PM GMT
    Not a bad looking boi, rather clean cut & youthfully appealing in some of his pictures.

    I am guessing he scored quite often. Which prolly just fueled his inner rage and homophobia even more.

    Pity he was so ugly on the inside.

    Not the first gay boi who was was mind-fucked by his religion.


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    DOMINUS saidI don't really care whether he's gay, bi, straight, bi-curious, closeted gay, DL, etc. What I care about is that he perpetrated a monstrosity and many people died. I'm focused on the victims and the people who loved them, not the perpetrator.




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