Can I be gay and muslim?

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    Jun 16, 2016 2:08 AM GMT
    Just curious?

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    The Koran is anti-homosexual....right?
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    Jun 16, 2016 2:29 AM GMT
    Short answer: No

    Long answer: Abandon all religion
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    Jun 16, 2016 3:19 AM GMT
    Leviticus 18:22 : "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

    If you can be a Gay Christian who happily ignores Leviticus
    You can be a Gay Muslim who gaily ignores the Koran too.

    For most people of faith, no matter what that faith is, they don't really bother with the details of their "holy book".
    If that makes no sense whatsoever; Welcome To Religion!
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    Jun 16, 2016 3:37 AM GMT
    Kickstartering said Leviticus 18:22 : "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

    If you can be a Gay Christian who happily ignores Leviticus
    You can be a Gay Muslim who gaily ignores the Koran too.

    For most people of faith, no matter what that faith is, they don't really bother with the details of their "holy book".
    If that makes no sense whatsoever; Welcome To Religion!


    What's your faith preacher?
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    Jun 16, 2016 4:31 AM GMT
    2Bnaked saidJust curious?

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    The Koran is anti-homosexual....right?


    Only if you bottom
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    Jun 16, 2016 4:38 AM GMT
    Kickstartering said Leviticus 18:22 : "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."



    And just exactly how does one lie with womankind? Seems pretty open to interpretation.
    And just who is that directed to? Men? Women? And why isn't the word womankind used any where in the entire bible.
    So why didn't it say mankind shall not lie with mankind as with womankind.... sounds like this was pretty poorly thought out, so it is doubtful that God every said or wrote these words because God is all knowing.
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    Jun 16, 2016 4:41 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    Kickstartering said Leviticus 18:22 : "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."



    And just exactly how does one lie with womankind? Seems pretty open to interpretation.
    And just who is that directed to? Men? Women? And why isn't the word womankind used any where in the entire bible.
    So why didn't it say mankind shall not lie with mankind as with womankind.... sounds like this was pretty poorly thought out, so it is doubtful that God every said or wrote these words because God is all knowing.


    Open to interpretation???

    It seems when a woman is "busy" a man is ready. OPEN WIDE!!!
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    Jun 16, 2016 4:47 AM GMT
    anyone just mad?

    CNN doesn't really care to televise REAL queer people and their reactions. I don't give a flying fuck about Omar Mateen's sick mental state or the fact he was in gay chat rooms. it seems like they are trivializing what gay people go thru.

    this guy was never one of us. fuck em all.
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    Jun 16, 2016 5:21 AM GMT
    Painted saidanyone just mad?

    CNN doesn't really care to televise REAL queer people and their reactions. I don't give a flying fuck about Omar Mateen's sick mental state or the fact he was in gay chat rooms. it seems like they are trivializing what gay people go thru.

    this guy was never one of us. fuck em all.


    He was a wannabe BIG TIME.
    He was stalking his prey like a wild animal in the night, like a killer who's madness is blood thirsty!
    I am sure he was very confused and repressed individual. However, he pledged his loyalty, in the end to ISIS...AND repeated many times to victims he was tired of the USA bombing his "people" who are in fact, radical islamist muslims. isis

    I think he may have also been extremely abused by his father and wanted a friend. He may have not found that in the gay community, because, they "WE" can see him as he is. DARK!

    In the end, he's a hatful terrorist who targets gay people like all the others in the middle east. THEY WANT TO KILL US!!!
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    Jun 16, 2016 5:31 AM GMT
    Christians get to ignore the "laws" of the Old Testament because they are followers of Christ who disavowed many of its laws such as an eye for an eye, stoning women caught in adultery - "let he who is without sin cast the first stone," ridiculous dietary laws - " it isn't what a man puts into his mouth that defiles him but what comes out of it." There are other examples but I think those suffice.

    Muslims believe the Koran is the actual word of Allah himself transmitted to Mohammed. It existed for all time because Allah has existed for all time. A good Muslim cannot ignore Allah's word. I'll have to look up if the Koran has prohibitions specific to homosexuality.
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    Jun 16, 2016 5:35 AM GMT
    Here ya go:


    Homosexuality

    What is Islam's position on the treatment of homosexuals?

    Islam goes beyond merely disapproving of homosexuality. Sharia teaches that homosexuality is a vile form of fornication, punishable by death.

    Beneath the surface, however, there are implied references to homosexual behavior in paradise, and it has been a historical part of Arab and Muslim culture.
    Quran

    Quran (7:80-84) - "...For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.... And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)" - An account that is borrowed from the Biblical story of Sodom. Muslim scholars through the centuries have interpreted the "rain of stones" on the town as meaning that homosexuals should be stoned, since no other reason is given for the people's destruction. (Inexplicably, the story is also repeated in suras 15:74, 27:58 and 29:40).
    Quran (7:81) - "Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?" This verse is part of the previous text and it establishes that homosexuality as different from (and much worse than) adultery or other sexual sin. According to the Arabic grammar, homosexuality is called the worst sin, while references elsewhere describe other forms of non-marital sex as being "among great sins."

    Quran (26:165-166) - "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, "And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing"

    Quran (4:16) - "If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone" This is the Yusuf Ali translation. The original Arabic does not use the word "men" and simply says "two from among you." Yusuf Ali may have added the word "men" because the verse seems to refer to a different set than referred to in the prior verse (explicitly denoted as "your women"). In other words, since 4:15 refers to "your women", 4:16 is presumably written to and refers to men.

    Interestingly, the same rules don't seem to apply in paradise, where martyrs for the cause of Allah enjoy an orgy of virgins and "perpetual youth" Quran (56:17) (otherwise known as "boys" Quran (52:24)). Quran (76:19) bluntly states, "And immortal boys will circulate among them, when you see them you will count them as scattered pearls." Technically, the mere presence of boys doesn't necessarily mean sex, however it is strongly implied from the particular emphasis on the effeminacy, handsomeness and "freshness" of the boys. The female virgins of paradise are also compared to pearls (56:23).
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    Jun 16, 2016 5:37 AM GMT
    Not4u saidChristians get to ignore the "laws" of the Old Testament because they are followers of Christ who disavowed many of its laws such as an eye for an eye, stoning women caught in adultery - "let he who is without sin cast the first stone," ridiculous dietary laws - " it isn't what a man puts into his mouth that defiles him but what comes out of it." There are other examples but I think those suffice.

    Muslims believe the Koran is the actual word of Allah himself transmitted to Mohammed. It existed for all time because Allah has existed for all time. A good Muslim cannot ignore Allah's word. I'll have to look up if the Koran has prohibitions specific to homosexuality.


    Like all books they are written with a mans hand and interpretation. The KORAN is no difference. My view is:

    When you read something and it inspires goodness and not darkness there must be something there? Is most of the world in DARKNESS?
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    Jun 16, 2016 5:41 AM GMT
    Not4u saidHere ya go:


    Homosexuality

    What is Islam's position on the treatment of homosexuals?

    Islam goes beyond merely disapproving of homosexuality. Sharia teaches that homosexuality is a vile form of fornication, punishable by death.

    Beneath the surface, however, there are implied references to homosexual behavior in paradise, and it has been a historical part of Arab and Muslim culture.
    Quran

    Quran (7:80-84) - "...For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.... And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)" - An account that is borrowed from the Biblical story of Sodom. Muslim scholars through the centuries have interpreted the "rain of stones" on the town as meaning that homosexuals should be stoned, since no other reason is given for the people's destruction. (Inexplicably, the story is also repeated in suras 15:74, 27:58 and 29:40).
    Quran (7:81) - "Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?" This verse is part of the previous text and it establishes that homosexuality as different from (and much worse than) adultery or other sexual sin. According to the Arabic grammar, homosexuality is called the worst sin, while references elsewhere describe other forms of non-marital sex as being "among great sins."

    Quran (26:165-166) - "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, "And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing"

    Quran (4:16) - "If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone" This is the Yusuf Ali translation. The original Arabic does not use the word "men" and simply says "two from among you." Yusuf Ali may have added the word "men" because the verse seems to refer to a different set than referred to in the prior verse (explicitly denoted as "your women"). In other words, since 4:15 refers to "your women", 4:16 is presumably written to and refers to men.

    Interestingly, the same rules don't seem to apply in paradise, where martyrs for the cause of Allah enjoy an orgy of virgins and "perpetual youth" Quran (56:17) (otherwise known as "boys" Quran (52:24)). Quran (76:19) bluntly states, "And immortal boys will circulate among them, when you see them you will count them as scattered pearls." Technically, the mere presence of boys doesn't necessarily mean sex, however it is strongly implied from the particular emphasis on the effeminacy, handsomeness and "freshness" of the boys. The female virgins of paradise are also compared to pearls (56:23).


    Funny thing is in AFGHANISTAN they have these young children who they pluck from childhood and make them do dancing. As in dancing boys. LITERAL SLAVES. These boarded fucks rape, abuse and molest them until they are grown (if they make it and aren't killed by trying to escape). PEDIFILES IN THE 200%....look it up!
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    Jun 16, 2016 6:47 AM GMT
    Not4u saidChristians get to ignore the "laws" of the Old Testament because they are followers of Christ who disavowed many of its laws such as an eye for an eye, stoning women caught in adultery - "let he who is without sin cast the first stone," ridiculous dietary laws - " it isn't what a man puts into his mouth that defiles him but what comes out of it." There are other examples but I think those suffice.


    EXACTLY

    Everytime someone brings up gay bashing versus in the bible, they refer to Old Testament stuff. In addition to what you said, grammar and punctuation didn't come around until the Latin and English came standard. I've learned many verses in the bible are allegories and parables. Not that it's not to be believed, but it's been misinterpreted so much. I'm glad the Internet is here, so you can research these verses and find out what actual scholars and theologists conceive it. Not just random people on the street.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh4.htm
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    Jun 16, 2016 6:54 AM GMT
    2Bnaked saidJust curious?

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    The Koran is anti-homosexual....right?


    Silly question. Of course there are gay Muslims just as there are gay Christians, gay Jews, gay Hindus, gay Buddhists, etc. You could say the bible is anti gay. People are what they are. The Muslims I have known have been very kind, loving, caring, and compassionate. Being gay does not bother them.
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    Jun 16, 2016 7:06 AM GMT
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    2Bnaked saidJust curious?

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    The Koran is anti-homosexual....right?


    Silly question. Of course there are gay Muslims just as there are gay Christians, gay Jews, gay Hindus, gay Buddhists, etc. You could say the bible is anti gay. People are what they are. The Muslims I have known have been very kind, loving, caring, and compassionate. Being gay does not bother them.


    Why would you think my question is silly? It was SINCERE metta8. I have seen some of silly stuff you post. lol
    My problem is that this is a silent unaccepting thing. A recent poll was taken in the UK and it reflected that NOT one of the UK MUSLIMS accepted homosexuality and reacted extremely negatively towards it.
    So here's another SILLY question. Would you kiss another man in front of your muslim friends/buddies OR ANY PLACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST? Real freedom with out oppression/repression of death???

    Why are you so sympathetic with them and hold such contempt towards the real loving kind like MORMONS. I mean I have seen some of the awful stuff you have posted against them, yet ALL my neighbors are MORMON, kind and know I am gay, yet I don't live in fear of being hung or thrown off a tall building?

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    Jun 16, 2016 2:58 PM GMT
    2Bnaked saidJust curious?

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    The Koran is anti-homosexual....right?


    I have a friend who is a gay Muslim from Iran. He even has gay friends in Iran.
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    Jun 16, 2016 3:11 PM GMT
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    metta said
    2Bnaked saidJust curious?

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    The Koran is anti-homosexual....right?


    Silly question. Of course there are gay Muslims just as there are gay Christians, gay Jews, gay Hindus, gay Buddhists, etc. You could say the bible is anti gay. People are what they are. The Muslims I have known have been very kind, loving, caring, and compassionate. Being gay does not bother them.


    Why would you think my question is silly? It was SINCERE metta8. I have seen some of silly stuff you post. lol
    My problem is that this is a silent unaccepting thing. A recent poll was taken in the UK and it reflected that NOT one of the UK MUSLIMS accepted homosexuality and reacted extremely negatively towards it.
    So here's another SILLY question. Would you kiss another man in front of your muslim friends/buddies OR ANY PLACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST? Real freedom with out oppression/repression of death???

    Why are you so sympathetic with them and hold such contempt towards the real loving kind like MORMONS. I mean I have seen some of the awful stuff you have posted against them, yet ALL my neighbors are MORMON, kind and know I am gay, yet I don't live in fear of being hung or thrown off a tall building?




    I don't have contempt for Mormons. There are many wonderful Mormons and I have previously posted about them as well. I have contempt for bigots. There is a difference. It does not matter what group they belong to. I have never supported ISIS or any of those groups that support hate. Muslims are not ISIS. Islam is not ISIS. Christians are not the KKK. Christians are not the National Organization for Marriage. I will not lump all Muslims together. The vast majority of Muslims are not violent, nor are they looking to harm us. Did you notice that the vast majority of Muslims in this country supported a Jewish candidate for President in the primary?
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    Jun 16, 2016 9:30 PM GMT
    Yes. I am one.
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    Jun 16, 2016 9:36 PM GMT
    bighairymuscles saidYes. I am one.


    Talk about your point of view and your experiences, if you have time, please.
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    Jun 16, 2016 9:53 PM GMT
    You can be a republican and be pro-choice.
    You can be a democrat and be against taxes.
    There are hard core and moderate beliefs within each party. Religion is pretty similar.

    You can be religious but not believe in or follow every single belief. The reason why there are so many branches of Christianity, for example, is that the followers differ and disagree on the beliefs/interpretations all the time. In fact, you will hear multiple answers to what a person must do to get into heaven.

    So yes, you can be muslim, or Christian and be gay.
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    Jun 16, 2016 11:28 PM GMT
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    Not4u saidChristians get to ignore the "laws" of the Old Testament because they are followers of Christ who disavowed many of its laws such as an eye for an eye, stoning women caught in adultery - "let he who is without sin cast the first stone," ridiculous dietary laws - " it isn't what a man puts into his mouth that defiles him but what comes out of it." There are other examples but I think those suffice.


    EXACTLY

    Everytime someone brings up gay bashing versus in the bible, they refer to Old Testament stuff. In addition to what you said, grammar and punctuation didn't come around until the Latin and English came standard. I've learned many verses in the bible are allegories and parables. Not that it's not to be believed, but it's been misinterpreted so much. I'm glad the Internet is here, so you can research these verses and find out what actual scholars and theologists conceive it. Not just random people on the street.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh4.htm


    They also fail to mention that Jews (even observant Jews) do not uphold all the OT laws. When was the last time you heard of animal sacrifices on the Temple Mount?
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    Jun 17, 2016 12:53 AM GMT
    Not4u said
    FuzzyPecs28 said
    Not4u saidChristians get to ignore the "laws" of the Old Testament because they are followers of Christ who disavowed many of its laws such as an eye for an eye, stoning women caught in adultery - "let he who is without sin cast the first stone," ridiculous dietary laws - " it isn't what a man puts into his mouth that defiles him but what comes out of it." There are other examples but I think those suffice.


    EXACTLY

    Everytime someone brings up gay bashing versus in the bible, they refer to Old Testament stuff. In addition to what you said, grammar and punctuation didn't come around until the Latin and English came standard. I've learned many verses in the bible are allegories and parables. Not that it's not to be believed, but it's been misinterpreted so much. I'm glad the Internet is here, so you can research these verses and find out what actual scholars and theologists conceive it. Not just random people on the street.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh4.htm


    They also fail to mention that Jews (even observant Jews) do not uphold all the OT laws. When was the last time you heard of animal sacrifices on the Temple Mount?


    I'm pretty sure I read in one of the books of the Bible, that God ordered them to stop making blood sacrifice and burning incense .... it has been years so I can't remember which one it was in, but seems like it was somewhere around the times of Ruth.
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    Jun 17, 2016 2:02 AM GMT
    The OP, 2Bnaked has the good fortune of knowing gay-accepting Mormons.

    I've been lucky to have friends who are gay-accepting Muslims.

    Our personal connections are generally key to our acceptance of others.
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    Jun 17, 2016 2:32 AM GMT
    From my understanding liberal Muslims read the Koran in the same way liberal Christians read the bible. I read the bible as a holy book inspired by God but written by man in a specific time period and believe it should be read in its historical setting but not as the inerrant word of God. I believe gay Muslims likely view the Koran in the same light. This allows you to read a holy book and not only gain inspiration from it but also to respect that its the intention of the book as a whole and not its individual passages that define the religion and your relationship with God.