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  • FitBlackCuddl...

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    Jun 17, 2016 8:46 PM GMT
    The Shortest and Most Powerful Explanation of the Orlando Shooter: http://usuncut.com/politics/powerful-explanation-orlando-shooting/
  • Unnamed6

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    Jun 17, 2016 9:35 PM GMT
    FitBlackCuddler saidThe Shortest and Most Powerful Explanation of the Orlando Shooter: http://usuncut.com/politics/powerful-explanation-orlando-shooting/


    Yes, one of the things I had wanted to say but forgot to say it was that he knew next to nothing about Islam beyond what the typical American would know about it.
  • Unnamed6

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    Jun 17, 2016 9:53 PM GMT
    And he seemed rather oblivious to the political podcasts, statements and beliefs of his father. Even the Jews and Palestinians of this website are far greater attuned to Middle Eastern and Central Asian politics than Omar Mateen will ever have been. If I had to guess, the shooting is more gay related than it is political or religious, but those with established agendas (from Trump to the gun control lobby), deep seated fears, or gay men that don't want outsiders to scrutinize issues as they relate to the gay community, would want to shift the blame to Muslims.
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    Jun 18, 2016 1:25 AM GMT
    "Sorry folks, but your supposed “Islamic radical terrorist from Afghanistan” is as American as apple pie made with homegrown apples and baked in an American made oven."

    Sorry but this apple pie was made with a rotten apple from Afganistani trees that just so coincidentally were Muslim. Read about his kooky father here: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-shooting-omar-mateen-father-seddique-mateen-taliban-god-punish-gays/

    Don't blame America for this ass clown.
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    Jun 18, 2016 2:02 AM GMT
    I knew I smelled a republican RAT, the NWO clan,
    (There are more evil contractors than just G4S with the heart of Texas politics, just look to Dallas)



    Privatization Leads to Fraud, Mismanagement, and Employee Abuse at Wackenhut
    https://trenches.wordpress.com/2007/05/20/privatization-leads-to-fraud-mismanagement-and-employee-abuse-at-wackenhut/

    The three words that best describe the private security business these days are “racism”, “corruption”, and “profits”. Wackenhut, the largest private security provider to the Federal govt and the military outside of Iraq, would appear to be awash in all three.

    Wackenhut, which has ties to the GOP and the Bush Administration that go almost as deep as Halliburton’s, is currently under investigation:

    In Britain, Wackenhut’s parent company, Group 4 Securicor, is the subject of an undercover BBC investigation into its handling of a contract to monitor sex offenders “revealing rapists, killers, and pedophiles left unmonitored as a result of faulty equipment and poor work practices.” In South Africa, Wackenhut – the largest employer on the continent with 65,000 employees – “has been investigated and sued for things like reserving ‘white only’ toilets; advising employees to consider lesser positions because of pregnancy; perpetuating hostile work environments, and overall poor pay and working conditions.”

    None of this has kept either the Bush DOE or the Army from handing new contracts to Wackenhut and G4S, most of which are no-bid give-aways. As when Halliburton is involved, Wackenhut’s long history of human rights violations, violations of labor laws, incompetence, graft, fraud, and witness/whistleblower intimidation means nothing because it has ties to Bush.

    The SEIU is trying to help guards form a union to protect them from the corporation’s misuse and abuse of its employees and to bring minimum standards of accountability to a company that hasn’t yet had to learn the meaning of the word. According to SEIU’s Kawana Lloyd (via email), despite all this skullduggery, Wackenhut is still guarding Army bases, nuclear weapons facilities, and nuclear plants

    It’s all part of the Bush Administration’s privatization initiative.

    The controversy began in 2003, when the United States Congress authorized the Department of Defense to hire private security officers to replace Military Police and other uniformed personnel at more than 40 U.S. Army installations to compensate for the manpower demands of the Afghan and Iraq wars. The first round of these contracts—worth nearly $200 million per year—was awarded on a “sole-source” (no-bid) basis to two Alaska Native Corporations (ANCs), Alutiiq Security and Technology and Chenega, both with limited previous security experience. Alutiiq subcontracted work to Wackenhut, for which Wackenhut was eligible to receive an estimated $47 million per year.(emphasis added)

    It’s a standard corporate shell-game undermining the laws requiring minority participation in Federal contracts by using dummy fronts and subsidiaries masquerading as the “prime” contractors

    This sort of corruption is precisely what we’ve come to expect from Bush’s privatization mania as corporations use their political influence in place of merit to rip off the taxpayers, abuse employees, violate labor laws and human rights laws with impunity, and rake in massive unearned profits as its reward for cheating, stealing, and law-breaking. You will note that with the single exception of the GAO, NONE of the many investigations are emanating from the DOE, Labor, the Army or Homeland Security, all of which continue to hand out contracts to Wackenhut without bidding, oversight, or accountability. What Halliburton and KBR and Parsons are doing in Iraq, Wackenhut is doing right here under our very noses, and yet so far the mainstream press has taken little or no notice of them because there hasn’t been an Abramoff-type central figure to hang it all on.

    The guards angry at shitty working conditions, low pay, inadequate training, substandard equipment, and lax, management-ordered security policies are the only ones trying to put a stop to Wackenhut’s executives’ criminal mismanagement and outright theft.
  • badbug

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    Jun 18, 2016 12:06 PM GMT
    would want to shift the blame to Muslims


    The blame should be shifted to Islam, not Muslims. No Islam, no problem or atleast not as much of one. No Bible, gay rights are a lot harder to argue against. We need to shift the blame to iron age fairy tales based off of bronze age fairy tales.

    I blame Zoroaster. It's his fault we don't worship Jupiter.
  • JackNNJ

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    Jun 18, 2016 12:56 PM GMT
    So Omar Mateen was a moderate Muslim.

    On the other hand, Mateen's former co-worker said that in addition to spewing hate, bigotry, and desires to kill people, Mateen regularly brought his prayer mat into work with him. and did the whole bowing towards Mecca thing multiple times a day.

    Why are these journos bending over backwards to let Islam off the hook? Never mind, we already know the answer.


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  • JackNNJ

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    Jun 18, 2016 12:59 PM GMT
    Unnamed6 saidAnd he seemed rather oblivious to the political podcasts, statements and beliefs of his father. Even the Jews and Palestinians of this website are far greater attuned to Middle Eastern and Central Asian politics than Omar Mateen will ever have been. If I had to guess, the shooting is more gay related than it is political or religious, but those with established agendas (from Trump to the gun control lobby), deep seated fears, or gay men that don't want outsiders to scrutinize issues as they relate to the gay community, would want to shift the blame to Muslims.


    He must have been more than averagely attuned:

    Omar Mateen: Orlando gay nightclub gunman made two pilgrimages to Saudi Arabia
    Mateen visited Saudi Arabia in 2011 and 2012, making an excursion into the United Arab Emirates during one trip, officials confirm
  • Unnamed6

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    Jun 23, 2016 1:04 AM GMT
    badbug saidwould want to shift the blame to Muslims


    The blame should be shifted to Islam, not Muslims. No Islam, no problem or atleast not as much of one. No Bible, gay rights are a lot harder to argue against. We need to shift the blame to iron age fairy tales based off of bronze age fairy tales.

    I blame Zoroaster. It's his fault we don't worship Jupiter.


    It's actually a bad idea to believe that religion is the primary reason for homophobia . However common religious objections to homosexuality are today, the most common form of "homophobia" that had been expressed before the 1970's in the West was that it somehow instilled personal disgust and that it had been perceived to be against public decency, against the public good and against public morality, and statutes were accordingly created to reflect this perception (and this was a time in which the vast majority of US states still had laws against cohabitation, being perceived as immoral, and using words like lascivious and lewd to describe such a phenomenon). So the personal, the social, the moral and the legal held objections to homosexuality, then there were scientific objections to homosexuality and institutions like the APA had seen it as a psychological disorder, and altogether these things had always outweighed the religious, but of course such things can always be subject to political lobbying so that only religious objections remain today which is harder to manipulate. But so much as religious objections remain it should not be seen as a religious issue.
  • Unnamed6

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    Jun 23, 2016 1:29 AM GMT
    JackNNJ said
    Unnamed6 saidAnd he seemed rather oblivious to the political podcasts, statements and beliefs of his father. Even the Jews and Palestinians of this website are far greater attuned to Middle Eastern and Central Asian politics than Omar Mateen will ever have been. If I had to guess, the shooting is more gay related than it is political or religious, but those with established agendas (from Trump to the gun control lobby), deep seated fears, or gay men that don't want outsiders to scrutinize issues as they relate to the gay community, would want to shift the blame to Muslims.


    He must have been more than averagely attuned:

    Omar Mateen: Orlando gay nightclub gunman made two pilgrimages to Saudi Arabia
    Mateen visited Saudi Arabia in 2011 and 2012, making an excursion into the United Arab Emirates during one trip, officials confirm


    I still think the Hajj is a non-issue.... To reiterate the statement I made that "gay men that don't want outsiders to scrutinize issues as they relate to the gay community [and] would want to shift the blame to Muslims", and to use words that I just used such as lascivious and lewd, the period in between his separation from his first wife, and before his second marriage that produced a child, might have been filled with a lot of lascivious and lewd sex acts (like orgies and having sex against one's will), and though so common to so many gay men today, didn't go to well for him at all to the point he found the gay male community to be personally and morally revolting. And yet he couldn't escape his homosexual attractions, or even stop having gay sex when he married his second wife, and it really ate at him to the point he wanted revenge against the gay male community (yes, revenge, which I should have said earlier before other news outlets had speculated it).
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    Jun 23, 2016 4:09 AM GMT
    Unnamed6 said
    badbug saidwould want to shift the blame to Muslims


    The blame should be shifted to Islam, not Muslims. No Islam, no problem or atleast not as much of one. No Bible, gay rights are a lot harder to argue against. We need to shift the blame to iron age fairy tales based off of bronze age fairy tales.

    I blame Zoroaster. It's his fault we don't worship Jupiter.


    It's actually a bad idea to believe that religion is the primary reason for homophobia . However common religious objections to homosexuality are today, the most common form of "homophobia" that had been expressed before the 1970's in the West was that it somehow instilled personal disgust and that it had been perceived to be against public decency, against the public good and against public morality, and statutes were accordingly created to reflect this perception (and this was a time in which the vast majority of US states still had laws against cohabitation, being perceived as immoral, and using words like lascivious and lewd to describe such a phenomenon). So the personal, the social, the moral and the legal held objections to homosexuality, then there were scientific objections to homosexuality and institutions like the APA had seen it as a psychological disorder, and altogether these things had always outweighed the religious, but of course such things can always be subject to political lobbying so that only religious objections remain today which is harder to manipulate. But so much as religious objections remain it should not be seen as a religious issue.





    Lavender scare
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavender_scare

    The lavender scare refers to a witch hunt and mass firings of homosexuals in the 1950s from the United States government. It paralleled the anti-communist campaign known as McCarthyism and the Second Red Scare. Gay men and lesbians were said to be security risks and communist sympathizers, which led to the call to remove them from state employment.[1]

    Former U.S. Senator Alan K. Simpson has written: "The so-called 'Red Scare' has been the main focus of most historians of that period of time. A lesser-known element ... and one that harmed far more people was the witch-hunt McCarthy and others conducted against homosexuals

    McCarthyism
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism


    In U.S. history, the term McCarthyism describes two political practices of demagoguery: (i) making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence;[1] and (ii) “the practice of making unfair allegations or using unfair investigative techniques, especially in order to restrict dissent or political criticism.”[2]

    The term McCarthyism originated during the Second Red Scare, (1950–56), which was a period of active political repression against communists, fear mongering of Leftist influence (communist, socialist, progressive) upon the institutions of American society, and claims of active espionage by Soviet secret agents in government, academia, and business. Originally coined to criticize the unethical, Anti–Communist pursuits of U.S. Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, Republican for Wisconsin (1947–57), the term McCarthyism denoted police-state tactics for social control. The contemporary political-science usage of the term McCarthyism describes the accuser’s reckless, unsubstantiated accusations and demagogic attacks, such as character assassination and impugning the patriotism of the person accused of ideological non-conformity.

    During the witch hunts of the McCarthy era, thousands of Americans were anonymously and secretly accused either of being a Communist or of being a Fellow traveller who sympathized with Communism and communists. As such, those men and women were subjected to aggressive investigations and interrogations by government and private-industry panels, committees, and agencies seeking to eliminate political subversion. The people most suspected of ideological infidelity were government employees (federal, state, local), entertainers (writers, musicians, actors), academics (professors, teachers, instructors), and trade union leaders and activists.



    Victims of McCarthy

    It is difficult to estimate the number of victims of McCarthy. The number imprisoned is in the hundreds, and some ten or twelve thousand lost their jobs.[53] In many cases simply being subpoenaed by HUAC or one of the other committees was sufficient cause to be fired.[54] Many of those who were imprisoned, lost their jobs or were questioned by committees did in fact have a past or present connection of some kind with the Communist Party. But for the vast majority, both the potential for them to do harm to the nation and the nature of their communist affiliation were tenuous.[55] After the extremely damaging "Cambridge Five" spy scandal (Burgess, Maclean, Philby, Blunt, et al.), suspected homosexuality was also a common cause for being targeted by McCarthyism. The hunt for "sexual perverts", who were presumed to be subversive by nature, resulted in thousands being harassed and denied employment.[56] Many have termed this aspect of McCarthyism the "Lavender Scare

    Homosexuality was classified as a psychiatric disorder in the 1950s.[58] However, in the context of the highly politicised Cold War environment, homosexuality became framed as a dangerous, contagious social disease that posed a potential threat to state security.[58] As the family was believed to be the cornerstone of American strength and integrity,[59] the description of homosexuals as "sexual perverts" meant that they were both unable to function within a family unit and presented the potential to poison the social body.[60] This era also witnessed the establishment of widely spread FBI surveillance intended to identify homosexual government employees.[61]

    The McCarthy hearings and according "sexual pervert" investigations can be seen to have been driven by a desire to identify individuals whose ability to function as loyal citizens had been compromised.[60] Joseph McCarthy began his campaign by drawing upon the ways in which he embodied traditional American values in order to become the self-appointed vanguard of social morality.[62] Paradoxically, accusations of alleged homosexual behaviour marked the end of McCarthy’s political career


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