Why are there so many Israel and Palestine related threads here?

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    Jun 17, 2016 9:29 PM GMT
    Where is the admin? This forum has been completely taken over by all these Israel and Palestine threads.
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    Jun 17, 2016 10:27 PM GMT
    Better question:

    Why did no one complain while all the threads were mainly anti-Israel/anti-Jewish? But only complain now once I started "fighting back" by posting as does the anti-Semite post?

    Better question.

    Why was this not a problem before recently onto the forum came the poster: GymFreak aka OnTarget aka theanticock (a name he uses to mock my theantijock screenname) & to poach my elephunts? Get your hands off my elephunts you douchebag or I will send angel elephunt to destroy you.

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    Better question. Why did no one complain about gymfreak aka theanticock pka OnTarget while he was pissing on this community with his anti-Semitic crap in the wake of a Radical Islamist's massacre of LGBT in Orlando?

    I ask these questions not to discourage conversation on the topic. But I do ask you all to reflect. I look forward to reading comments, should any of yas find yer balls.

    Please note that I have alerted the admin to this problem numerous times. Normally he is responsive but has not been lately. But note also that this disruption of gymfreak/theanticock/ontarget happened to coincide with a number of threads you guys posted bashing the admin on the efforts he put in to modernize this website (in all fairness I did complain about the small fonts). So I'd not be surprised to learn that he just thought to himself: oh, fuck it.
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    Jun 18, 2016 3:01 AM GMT
    I don't get it either. Nobody that isn't Israeli or Arab should care about that much about this topic. And yet, it's a handful of white guys that obsess about it. And on a gay forum, where most members don't gives a shit.
  • mwolverine

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    Jun 18, 2016 3:16 AM GMT
    __morphic__ said
    Where is the admin? This forum has been completely taken over by all these Israel and Palestine threads.

    An old troll has been "bumping" old threads and flooding the forum with them.

    GymFreak also seems to be in the habit of posting a slew of threads at once with spam propaganda subject lines. The point isn't even to debate a topic (the trolls can never debate a topic in its thread, always raising and rehashing diversions despite those being discussed in their own threads... where they raise and rehash other diversions). Knowing that most people won't open a thread, his point is to push his propaganda in the title itself.

    See, for example the misleading subject line of this thread (and subsequent diversions):

    Jerusalem - Capital of Palestine
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4219842

    VS the factually correct thread (which the trolls ignore):

    Jerusalem was NEVER an Arab Capital,
    not even of Jund Filastin ~1,000 years ago, the military district of foreign Arab empires that occupied the Land of Israel

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4222798
  • mwolverine

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    Jun 18, 2016 3:17 AM GMT
    xrichx said
    I don't get it either. Nobody that isn't Israeli or Arab should care about that much about this topic. And yet, it's a handful of white guys that obsess about it. And on a gay forum, where most members don't gives a shit.

    Such is the power of hate.
    You know, like some homophobes have no filter and just can't contain themselves given the opportunity to spew their vitriol.

    Why does virulent Anti-Semitism play such a large role in MidEast discussions on RJ?
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4015076
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1443151
  • badbug

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    Jun 18, 2016 11:45 AM GMT

    Yeah a few of the crazies seem to be off their rocker lately about the mid-east.

    I am not sure why everyone goes so crazy for Aeila Capitolina anyways.
  • mwolverine

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    Jun 18, 2016 3:10 PM GMT
    It's called "Jerusalem Syndrome". icon_smile.gif

    badbug said
    I am not sure why everyone goes so crazy for Aeila Capitolina anyways.
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    Jun 18, 2016 3:20 PM GMT
    mwolverine said
    xrichx said
    I don't get it either. Nobody that isn't Israeli or Arab should care about that much about this topic. And yet, it's a handful of white guys that obsess about it. And on a gay forum, where most members don't gives a shit.

    Such is the power of hate.
    You know, like some homophobes have no filter and just can't contain themselves given the opportunity to spew their vitriol.

    Why does virulent Anti-Semitism play such a large role in MidEast discussions on RJ?
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4015076
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1443151


    Exactly correct. Now if only I could think of a way to show the point.

    What's my point? That it is bullshit for anyone to say that the incessant spamming of anti-Israel or spamming of "jew" topics is not anti-Semitic.

    Just like it would be bullshit to think that it isn't racist to be spamming, say, in all things gay, nonstop Asian (which I'm not anti-Asian--I'm actually quite partial to Asian culture), or that it wouldn't be homophobic to be spamming into all things gay nonstop douche and ass eating threads. Or that wouldn't be ageist to be spamming pedophile threads, et. al.

    Oh, but suddenly when someone is nonstop spamming anti-Jewish, they say "I don't get it"--everyone's gaydar malfunctions? Bullshit.
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    Jun 18, 2016 6:29 PM GMT
    Oh boy. I just noticed all the thread bumps. Lack of moderators is what made this site go to shit.
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    Jun 18, 2016 6:34 PM GMT
    xrichx saidOh boy. I just noticed all the thread bumps. Lack of moderators is what made this site go to shit.


    So you notice it now (because I thought that might grab your attention) but you didn't notice it when it was all against Jewish people?

    Oh boy. How convenient your powers of observation. Not to mention your cultured sense of social responsibility.
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    Jun 18, 2016 6:58 PM GMT
    JPGC2007 saidI have already warned mwolverine if he continues to post useless threads about Palestinians and denying their existence, then there will be a online war on the Palestine-Israel conflict. He doesn't listen to me.

    So it seems mwolverine and theantijock are mad at gymfreak's posts because his posts drive them crazy. Oh well, they deserve it in my opinion.


    Correction, I don't give a flying fuck about gymfreak, but I will call out his being a douchebag. I would have to care about someone to be actually emotional about it. This is nothing but rationally justified wrath. Try not to confuse the two. Were my nephew to fuck up, I'd get mad. But this piece of shit gymfreak/theantiCock? Feh!

    That you would aid gymfreak who has pissed the fuck all over this community right when we were massacred by a Radical Islamist who credited his jihadist cause in his mass murdering of our LGBT brothers and sisters and friends, well, there was a time when I once thought better of you.
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    Jun 18, 2016 7:03 PM GMT
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    JPGC2007 saidI have already warned mwolverine if he continues to post useless threads about Palestinians and denying their existence, then there will be a online war on the Palestine-Israel conflict. He doesn't listen to me.

    So it seems mwolverine and theantijock are mad at gymfreak's posts because his posts drive them crazy. Oh well, they deserve it in my opinion.


    Correction, I don't give a flying fuck about gymfreak, but I will call out his being a douchebag. I would have to care about someone to be actually emotional about it. This is nothing but rationally justified wrath. Try not to confuse the two. Were my nephew to fuck up, I'd get mad. But this piece of shit gymfreak/theantiCock? Feh!

    That you would aid gymfreak who has pissed the fuck all over this community right when we were massacred by a Radical Islamist who credited his jihadist cause in his mass murdering of our LGBT brothers and sisters and friends, well, there was a time when I once thought better of you.

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    Jun 18, 2016 10:51 PM GMT
    xrichx saidI don't get it either. Nobody that isn't Israeli or Arab should care about that much about this topic. And yet, it's a handful of white guys that obsess about it. And on a gay forum, where most members don't gives a shit.

    No sh*t, even mwolverine (a Jew who claims Palestinians are not "native" to Palestine and that Jews are an ancient Middle Eastern "race"), self-identifies as white.
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    Jun 18, 2016 11:17 PM GMT
    Is anyone else confused as to the plot and the dramatis personae in this drama? I think we need a plot summary.
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    Jun 19, 2016 12:16 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidIs anyone else confused as to the plot and the dramatis personae in this drama? I think we need a plot summary.


    TL;DR version
    Everything was business as usual until GymFreak came along who also posts as theantiCock, a mockery of my theantijock screenname, which he uses to also post my screenname and MY ELEPHUNTS into any number of threads for which he should go fuck himself.

    unabridged version
    The main Jewish/Arab contention was between LofM pka Pouncer & MWolverine pka cesearsomethingoranother who kept it relatively sane, debating each other (SB used to think they were one in the same and it looks like Pelez has intimated as much) rather verbosely but more so contained and not too chaotically. On a personal note, I did at one point read JofM pka pouncer but found mostly he posted bullshit upon investigation so for the most part stopped reading the propagandist. MWolverine, I've found to post very good info & not just because I'd want to agree but also info that confirms at least by the stuff I happened to double check. Probably JofM would disagree with that assessment.

    In any case, generally at that time, as anyone not engaging American politics might have noticed, including the welcomed British among us, there wasn't much spamming going on though the theme was pretty consistant at the JofM/MWolf level of things. Both of them would sometimes dig up old posts, though MWolf seemed to do it mostly to remake or reiterate a point he was arguing in a more current thread, or to show something was being rehashed by JofM, etc.

    Enter new guy Gymfreak aka theantiCock pka OnTarget after we've all been posting here for years. He began by being aggressive and combative and refused all gestures of mine and of MWolf's to discuss things in peace. I even at that time made a thread titled Peace, or something like that. Well, the kid went nutz on us and he's been throwing his hissy fit tantrum ever since, and ever more so upping the stakes by his digging up multiple threads anti-Israel and anti-Jewish from up to nearly a decade ago, spamming the forums with them.

    I finally tired of his spamming and as it didn't seem the forum gave a flying fuck to bring attention I began digging up and posting old threads not real favorable to Palestinians. Suddenly there was interest. People could see that. They just couldn't see all the anti-Jewish, but this they could see.

    I could have a relook at the timeline but at about this time Gymfreak aka theantiCock, in retaliation to my retaliation of his spamming, spread his shit all over this community in a gush of anti-Semitic diarrhea just about when his Radical Islamist Mass Murdering colleague massacred our LGBT brothers and sisters and friends in Orlando. That's when he really poured it on. For by then of course at that time many of us were discussing the Radical Islamist/Jihadist nature of the event by the murderer's own announcement of that, so a little hard to avoid. Never mind this political climate. Well, he went renutz. Spamming even more constantly anti-Israel anti-Jewish, in his attempt to divert attention away from the Radical Islamist who stole from us so many of our lives. He purposely disrespected not just Jewish sensitivities but the mourning period of this gay community, Jews and Gentile alike.

    For that matter, he probably increased hostilities towards Muslim in his ranting because instead of allowing people here a place to heal, he kept tossing salt. If I was paranoid, I'd wonder if he was sent by Trump, not that I believe that, but his actions certainly play into that. Certainly, he made Muslims no friends here in his tirade against Jewish and Israelis when it was his Muslim brother who with the help of his Palestinian wife murdered 49 of us in cold blood in our sanctuary in Orlando.

    What kind of a homophobic scumbag is gymfreak, he even said in a thread about the grandson of Palestinian Hamas's founder when that family was going to "honor kill" their kid for being gay, that when that kid ran away from home at age 14 to save his young gay life from his Muslim family, Gymfreak aka theantiCock called the kid a loser and a sell out.

    A sell out for saving his own young life from his Muslim family who would kill him for being gay. This is what we are dealing with here.

    And how crazy does this get? Because then you have a long time poster like xrich who claims to not have noticed any spamming of old threads (which were anti-Jewish) until I purposely for his benefit dug up and posted a crap load of Asian threads, when suddenly he declares how terrible is all the spam postings. Oh, now it's terrible. But it wasn't terrible when it was all anti-Jewish? So much for the act he puts on of being a considerate guy.

    This is the shit being smeared onto this cyber community. I'll note again that for years none of this was an issue before Gymfreak aka theantiCock pka OnTarget began agitating here.

    And that is the plot of the characters of this drama per your request.
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    Jun 19, 2016 2:13 AM GMT
    xrichx saidLack of moderators is what made this site go to shit.


    They desperately need some help there.
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    Jun 19, 2016 4:26 AM GMT
    I frequent a couple MMA sites. One has ridiculous moderators, make any joke about anything even slightly non PC and they warn you right away. The other, as long as you aren't blatantly racist you can say what you like.

    It's kind of terrible both ways. One site you are afraid to say anything, i have been banned so many times it's annoying making new accounts with my VPN. Banned for nothing everytime.
    And the other site, with little moderation is 50 percent idiots swearing at eachother for the most part.

    It's sad. Idiots gotta ruin everything for everyone everytime. Hey maybe don't post 30 threads about the middle east a day? Maybe don't post 100 pics of a guy in an elephant suit for some reason? Try and limit your middle east elephant posts to 1 or 2 a day maybe.

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    Jun 19, 2016 6:30 AM GMT
    I've also had bad experiences with moderators, more than once. Moderators are only fair and effective if they're like Spock on Star Trek and have zero emotions.
  • mwolverine

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    Jun 19, 2016 6:37 AM GMT
    theantiJock> SB used to think they were one in the same

    That was funny. He found AyaTrolLiar founcer's argument so shallow, so unconvincing, that he concluded I created him as a plant in the audience. The hilarity is greater when one considers that founcer jumped into the fray because he found GladiatorSam's arguments to be shallow and unconvincing (ranting about Sam's mental "disabilities").


    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210

    Oh, wait, the "anti-Zionists" (aka Jew-haters) are against that.

    Because if there is peace with Israel, how will the Jews be punished - or killed?

    From the thread about a recent terrorist attack in Tel Aviv, similar to Orlando with the perps walking up to people and shooting them in cold blood:

    Terrorist Palestinians Carrying Out The Tel Aviv Terror Attack
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4221160

    AyaTrolLiar founcer [now posting as JTheM] blurted
    the Palestinians have every right to kill you.

    Once again AyaTrolLiar founcer proves that he isn't seeking peace but to punish - and MURDER - Jews!
    He is against peace with Israel, unless the Jews are first punished and - in his words - beg for forgiveness.

  • mwolverine

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    Jun 19, 2016 7:48 AM GMT
    Sam> If the Zionists are seen to be [bad guys] then that makes me an anti-Zionist

    Which makes as much sense as saying: "If the Muslims are seen to be terrorists, then that makes me anti-Muslim".

    Zionism is the belief that Jews, like other peoples, are entitled to self-determination in their ancient homeland.

    Anti-Zionism is the belief that Jews do not. Vulgar Anti-semites like the AyaTrolLiar founcer justify this by alternatively claiming that Jews aren't really Jews or that Jew is only a religious reference.

    Judaism is the religion of the Jewish people.
    (Judaism is a religion, Jews are an ethnic group)

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    Sam> There are Jews that are anti-Zionists, they aren't Jewish haters.

    Those who believe that Jews shouldn't have a state prior to the arrival of the Messiah are not.
    But this doesn't describe most would-be "Anti-Zionists".


    The term "Anti-semitism" was coined by Jew-haters as a scientific-sounding euphemism to describe (and disguise/legitimize) their racism. The same holds true today with "Anti-Zionism", coined as a politically correct sounding euphemism to describe and disguise/legitimize that same racism.
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    Jun 19, 2016 11:38 AM GMT
    xrichx saidI don't get it either. Nobody that isn't Israeli or Arab should care about that much about this topic. And yet, it's a handful of white guys that obsess about it. And on a gay forum, where most members don't gives a shit.

    Exactly! Every time I log in here, those are the only threads I see on the top, and then I just log out.
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    Jun 19, 2016 11:58 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    Is anyone else confused as to the plot and the dramatis personae in this drama? I think we need a plot summary.

    All I can figure out is that some guys are fanatically promoting Israel, and some are fanatically promoting Palestine. And I don't want a summary. In fact, I don't want to see any of it on RJ again. After this argument tsunami here that's clogged our forums I've become unsympathetic to BOTH sides.

    Or to quote a US Air Force General, who was stupidly asked by a reporter which team he wanted to see win in the annual Army-Navy football game:

    "I hope they both lose." icon_razz.gif

    By which I mean the individuals engaging in this endless & overdone debate. Not the countries or the peoples themselves, both of which I hope thrive. A view evidently shared by none of the participants in this online tirade.
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    Jun 19, 2016 3:08 PM GMT
    mwolverine saidLet's talk peace: The two-state solution
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210

    Oh, wait, the "anti-Zionists" (aka Jew-haters) are against that.

    Because if there is peace with Israel, how will the Jews be punished - or killed?

    From the thread about a recent terrorist attack in Tel Aviv, similar to Orlando with the perps walking up to people and shooting them in cold blood:

    Terrorist Palestinians Carrying Out The Tel Aviv Terror Attack
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4221160

    AyaTrolLiar founcer [now posting as JTheM] blurted
    the Palestinians have every right to kill you.

    Once again AyaTrolLiar founcer proves that he isn't seeking peace but to punish - and MURDER - Jews!
    He is against peace with Israel, unless the Jews are first punished and - in his words - beg for forgiveness.



    Similar to Orlando? Who does Orlando occupy and rule over against their will?
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    Jun 19, 2016 3:15 PM GMT
    Very Ugly Pervert> Those who believe that Jews shouldn't have a state prior to the arrival of the Messiah are not

    Oh? And why is that?
    Aren't they denying the right of "Jews, like other peoples", to "self-determination in their ancient homeland"? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Careful shill, soon you'll be excusing socialists, liberals, even prominent 'Zionists' like Ahad Ha'am, Judah Magnes, Martin Buber and others, who strongly opposed a Jewish state.
  • mwolverine

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    Jun 19, 2016 4:57 PM GMT
    The AyaTrolLiar not only confirms what I said, but shows his depravity and support for Orlando style attacks in Israel, as if "occupation" rationalizes, justifies or legitimizes the mass murder of innocent civilians - including Americans (see next post).

    Amnesty International: Rocket and mortar attacks by Palestinian armed groups is unlawful and deadly
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4030802

    Contemplate that he would then justify bus, restaurant, hotel and club bombings in New York, Washington and your city by Iraqis when the USA was occupying Iraq. Or when the Allies occupied nazi Germany after WW II, he'd think it's perfectly legit for nazis to continue firing rockets at London.

    Note further that misfired Hamas rockets have directly lead to the death of more Gazans than Israelis, but AyaTrolLiar founcer continues to support this because he hates Jews/Israel more than he cares for the Palestinian Arabs - the latter are simply his tools to murder Jews and he'll sacrifice them all for the cause.

    Amnesty: Palestinian rockets killed more Gazans in 2014 war
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/palestinian-rockets-killed-gaza-civilians-during-war-amnesty-094310033.html?ref=gs

    JTheM said
    mwolverine said
    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210

    Oh, wait, the "anti-Zionists" (aka Jew-haters) are against that.

    Because if there is peace with Israel, how will the Jews be punished - or killed?

    From the thread about a recent terrorist attack in Tel Aviv, similar to Orlando with the perps walking up to people and shooting them in cold blood:

    Terrorist Palestinians Carrying Out The Tel Aviv Terror Attack
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4221160

    AyaTrolLiar founcer [now posting as JTheM] blurted
    the Palestinians have every right to kill you.

    Once again AyaTrolLiar founcer proves that he isn't seeking peace but to punish - and MURDER - Jews!
    He is against peace with Israel, unless the Jews are first punished and - in his words - beg for forgiveness.

    Similar to Orlando? Who does Orlando occupy and rule over against their will?