Mass Shootings Have Mostly One Thing in Common—and It's Not Being Muslim

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    Jun 19, 2016 2:47 AM GMT
    Mass Shootings Have Mostly One Thing in Common—and It's Not Being Muslim

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    Jun 19, 2016 5:33 AM GMT
    It has been described by Orlando survivors that the shooter "mowed down people" with this auto-semi auto AR-15

    Why did GW Bush allow these types of guns in the hands of regular folks? These guns are for military soldiers.
    I cant imagine what those Pulse night club video cameras revealed inside the probably dimly lit club, dark enough to see "fire" coming out of the barrel, imagine humans being where the targets are and getting hit with those hot shells

    These guns need to be banned! There is no use for these in the general public


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    Jun 19, 2016 7:45 AM GMT
    No ban will prevent them from being used.
    The borders are too porous. These weapons can be walked across from Mexico or arrive by boat from the Caribbean.

    Also, the rifle Omar Mateen used in the shooting was not an AR-15, but a Sig Sauer MCX rifle.
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    Jun 19, 2016 10:22 AM GMT
    desertmuscl saidNo ban will prevent them from being used.
    The borders are too porous. These weapons can be walked across from Mexico or arrive by boat from the Caribbean.


    Why not legalize terrorism on the same basis? A huge amount of money and effort goes into preventing it - but why bother? After all, it's fiendishly difficult to prevent all the time. Save the money and just accept it will kill tens of thousands of people every year.
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    Jun 19, 2016 11:18 AM GMT
    desertmuscl said
    No ban will prevent them from being used.
    The borders are too porous. These weapons can be walked across from Mexico or arrive by boat from the Caribbean.

    Also, the rifle Omar Mateen used in the shooting was not an AR-15, but a Sig Sauer MCX rifle.

    Which is a clone of the original ArmaLite 15, that became the M-16 military rifle. But the patent has expired, and a number of manufacturers now produce nearly identical versions of the original.

    So why are you trying to confuse the issue? These weapons are, for all practical purposes, an "AR15". That's the original design other rifles mimic, no matter what they're called today. A weapon, BTW, I taught to other soldiers, and knew inside and out. Knew its capabilities and its combat purpose. Do you?

    As for "porous borders", that's a specious argument. Our borders are also porous to addictive & deadly drugs. They're somewhat porous to illegal aliens, though not as much as alarmist Republicans would have us believe for political reasons. And much less than they were during previous Republican Presidencies.

    Is your solution to open our borders to anything? If we concede that we can't police our borders, then why bother, right? Let's permit all the weapons to flow in.

    But how about those illegal immigrants? I thought you Right Wingers contend that our borders can be made secure. Build Great Walls, perhaps. And if you reply that border security will at least limit MOST of the illegal aliens, can it not also be argued that smuggling of MOST illegal weapons can likewise be reduced?

    I'd rather have fewer assault weapons on our streets than unlimited. Missing some doesn't mean we have to throw in the towel and let 'em all in. What are your thoughts on this?
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    Jun 19, 2016 4:16 PM GMT
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    Jun 19, 2016 7:44 PM GMT
    ELNathB saidIt has been described by Orlando survivors that the shooter "mowed down people" with this auto-semi auto AR-15

    Why did GW Bush allow these types of guns in the hands of regular folks? These guns are for
    military soldiers.
    I cant imagine what those Pulse night club video cameras revealed inside the probably dimly lit club, dark enough to see "fire" coming out of the barrel, imagine humans being where the targets are and getting hit with those hot shells

    These guns need to be banned! There is no use for these in the general public




    Why did Bill Clinton sign the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban into law with a 2004 expiration date?
    Why doesn't Obama sign an Executive Order which flags anyone the FBI has investigated if they buy a gun in the future?
    If Obama is against guns, why did he sign a law which gives himself armed Secret Service protection for life?
    Why didn't democrats pass any gun control laws when they had control of Congress in 2009-2010?
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    Jun 19, 2016 10:21 PM GMT
    How will voting for Trump solve the situation? The guy was born in New York, so there was no way of deporting him.
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    Jun 20, 2016 7:21 AM GMT
    This may seem like a terrorist act, but it is far from that. These deranged trigger happy people are people who normally build up a grudge to society or something that happened to them. Not much similar to a serial killer. They then decide the only way to vent their anger, would be is to take innocent people's lives and then their own. The shooting in the movie theatre at the preview of 'Batman Returns'; The Columbine shooting; etc. All these were deranged Socio-paths.
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    Jun 20, 2016 12:23 PM GMT
    Vote for Trump. Put county before self; America needs YOU.
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    Jun 20, 2016 12:47 PM GMT
    mx5guynj said
    ELNathB saidIt has been described by Orlando survivors that the shooter "mowed down people" with this auto-semi auto AR-15

    Why did GW Bush allow these types of guns in the hands of regular folks? These guns are for
    military soldiers.
    I cant imagine what those Pulse night club video cameras revealed inside the probably dimly lit club, dark enough to see "fire" coming out of the barrel, imagine humans being where the targets are and getting hit with those hot shells

    These guns need to be banned! There is no use for these in the general public




    Why did Bill Clinton sign the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban into law with a 2004 expiration date?
    Why doesn't Obama sign an Executive Order which flags anyone the FBI has investigated if they buy a gun in the future?
    If Obama is against guns, why did he sign a law which gives himself armed Secret Service protection for life?
    Why didn't democrats pass any gun control laws when they had control of Congress in 2009-2010?
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    Jun 20, 2016 12:48 PM GMT
    Aunty_Jack saidVote for Trump. Put county before self; America needs YOU.

    "COUNTY"? The US has thousands of counties. Now that would be a real mess. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 20, 2016 1:09 PM GMT
    mx5guynj said
    Why did Bill Clinton sign the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban into law with a 2004 expiration date?
    Why doesn't Obama sign an Executive Order which flags anyone the FBI has investigated if they buy a gun in the future?
    If Obama is against guns, why did he sign a law which gives himself armed Secret Service protection for life?
    Why didn't democrats pass any gun control laws when they had control of Congress in 2009-2010?

    As usual from you, a pile of lies and misrepresentations. Where to begin?

    The ban that Clinton signed was a Congressional compromise by Democrats to prevent Republicans from blocking any gun restriction legislation at all. Better half a loaf than none.

    Define "FBI investigation". Lots of people get investigated by the FBI every year, often incidental to a crime, as a witness, being mentioned by someone who's under actual investigation, as a source for background information on others, for all kinds of innocent reasons. Are you proposing the US become a Police State?

    Having Secret Service protection is unrelated to guns. In this modern era of attempted Presidential assassinations, both sitting and past Presidents and their wives (and sometimes their children) are targets of every kind of death threat and kidnapping by terrorists and crazies. The Secret Service still protects both Bush families, as well as Jimmy Carter. These are government-authorized professionals who carry guns, just like the police on your streets. Would you have Obama disarm all of them, too?

    Democrats never had a super majority in Congress (60 votes in the Senate along with a House majority) to "control" Congress against Republican resistance to gun legislation. Except for a brief 1-month period in July of 2009, too brief for the lengthy legislative process. Ask your Republican NRA puppets in Congress why they oppose restricting gun access, because they're the problem, not Democrats, nor President Obama.
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    Jun 20, 2016 8:25 PM GMT
    It was just reported that some grabbed the gun of a police officer in an attempt to assassinate Trump. Trump, who was claiming we'd all be safer if everyone was armed. So, if he didn't have to grab someone's gun, and could have just drawn and fired, and if he's any good, popped a hole through Trump's head in one shot, would that have been seen as a valid *contrary* proof to Trump's argument? I mean, the number of mass shootings stopped by "good guys with a gun" to date, is to my knowledge, *zero*, so it is likely he'd be shot *after* shooting Trump - a bit too late.


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    Jun 20, 2016 8:59 PM GMT
    Dynamo_spark saidThis may seem like a terrorist act, but it is far from that. These deranged trigger happy people are people who normally build up a grudge to society or something that happened to them. Not much similar to a serial killer. They then decide the only way to vent their anger, would be is to take innocent people's lives and then their own. The shooting in the movie theatre at the preview of 'Batman Returns'; The Columbine shooting; etc. All these were deranged Socio-paths.

    Wow! Someone makes sense here.
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    Jun 20, 2016 9:15 PM GMT
    -after killing wounding 100+ random people the shouters have totally demonstrated they are broken. Why ask; it is more stupid than the answer you might get.
    -The NRA and manufacturers are going to the bank big time. an assault rifle my cost $1,500 - $4,500. It takes away money that could be spent on food clothing. It is just another way to bleed stupid dry.

    so Second Amendment rights get reduced. What could replace the Second Amendment rights? Suggestions:
    more phucked up local / federal police protection
    a legal system that only works for citizens making more than $ quarter million take home
    un affordable college for every smart child
    un affordable health care that is under performing
    SS benefits for everyone who paid into it
    bla bla.
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    Jun 21, 2016 3:51 AM GMT
    Doctor9 saidIt was just reported that some grabbed the gun of a police officer in an attempt to assassinate Trump. Trump, who was claiming we'd all be safer if everyone was armed. So, if he didn't have to grab someone's gun, and could have just drawn and fired, and if he's any good, popped a hole through Trump's head in one shot, would that have been seen as a valid *contrary* proof to Trump's argument? I mean, the number of mass shootings stopped by "good guys with a gun" to date, is to my knowledge, *zero*, so it is likely he'd be shot *after* shooting Trump - a bit too late.



    The guy is white and British. Can't wait to hear Trump's spin on the guy.
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    Jun 21, 2016 5:32 PM GMT
    A week after Orlando, Republicans protect terrorists’ right to bear arms

    The Senate voted down four measures Monday evening relating to gun measures after hearing debate from both Republican and Democratic senators. The vote comes one week after a gunman opened fire in an Orlando nightclub, killing 49 people before being killed by police.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-week-after-orlando-massacre-republicans-ensure-terrorists-can-still-get-guns/2016/06/20/f0b0b28c-3737-11e6-8f7c-d4c723a2becb_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-c%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
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    Jun 21, 2016 6:07 PM GMT
    They're all just Americans. Americans are more likely to commit suicide with their guns then they're used to "protect themselves" from terrorism. It's not a joke. American troops/vets are killing themselves faster than they are being killed by "the enemy"
    Just look at all the police killing unarmed American citizens... or the war on drugs... Legalize all drugs and minimize gun violence that way. These are the stepping stones that will make America great. Make America secular for once. How about that? Anything else is nonsense regarding Islamic terrorism. We make it our problem and suffer all the consequences time after time again because idiot Americans swear this is a Christian nation under attack by 3rd world extremist who hate our "freedom"
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    Jun 21, 2016 7:31 PM GMT
    OK and how are the estimated 8 million of these sold in America going to be collected.

    CT owners only turned in at a rate of 10 to 15%

    I have an AR15. Doesn't do anyone, any harm that I have one.

    More people are killed each year by knives than by any type of rifle... are they next on the list of tools you want banned because bad men can use them to kill.

    https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls
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    Jun 21, 2016 7:33 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidA week after Orlando, Republicans protect terrorists’ right to bear arms

    The Senate voted down four measures Monday evening relating to gun measures after hearing debate from both Republican and Democratic senators. The vote comes one week after a gunman opened fire in an Orlando nightclub, killing 49 people before being killed by police.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-week-after-orlando-massacre-republicans-ensure-terrorists-can-still-get-guns/2016/06/20/f0b0b28c-3737-11e6-8f7c-d4c723a2becb_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-c%3Ahomepage%2Fstory


    Terrorists can always get guns.

    France has very strict gun control. The Paris terrorists used fully automatic weapons in attacking the Bataclan nightclub.
    Brussels has even stricter gun control laws. The Brussels terrorists obtained and used AK-47s.
    California has strict semi-auto rifle restrictions. The San Bernardino terrorists obtained AR-15 derivatives and illegally altered them.
    The Boston terrorists didn't bother with guns. They constructed Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) from pressure cookers that killed three people and injured 264 others.

    None of the proposed legislation would have had *any* impact on the Orlando shooter (and terrorist). He'd been cleared of suspicion by the FBI twice and worked for a security company that had contracts with the Department of Homeland security. As a security guard who'd been vetted by the State of Florida to be armed, he would have no problem getting guns, even if the run-of-the-mill citizen were disqualified.

    The legislation would have prohibited anyone on the no-fly list from getting guns. It seems a fine idea until one takes into account that it's easy to get onto the list and very difficult to get off. It's done by an apparatus that's not transparent and not accountable. Ted Kennedy was on the no-fly for a while, as was Rep John Lewis (D-GA), Catherine Stevens (wife of Ted Stevens, (D-Alaska), and Don Young (R-AK). An 18 month old girl ended up on the list and was denied boarding.

    See Slate's article on how easy it is to get on the list:
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/08/the_u_s_government_is_putting_americans_on_its_no_fly_list_on_a_hunch_and.html

    The list was a big deal to civil libertarians when the Bush administration was in power. Once the executive changed over to Obama, it became less so, and now Democrats in Congress are willing to deny an enumerated right based on a status that is based on no due process and has little recourse.

    And once again, it wouldn't have prevented Orlando.
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    Jun 21, 2016 7:37 PM GMT
    BP201 saidThey're all just Americans. Americans are more likely to commit suicide with their guns then they're used to "protect themselves" from terrorism. It's not a joke. American troops/vets are killing themselves faster than they are being killed by "the enemy"
    Just look at all the police killing unarmed American citizens... or the war on drugs... Legalize all drugs and minimize gun violence that way. These are the stepping stones that will make America great. Make America secular for once. How about that? Anything else is nonsense regarding Islamic terrorism. We make it our problem and suffer all the consequences time after time again because idiot Americans swear this is a Christian nation under attack by 3rd world extremist who hate our "freedom"


    Protecting yourself with a firearm doesn't come down to shooting the bastard trying to rob, rape, or kill you. Sometimes it's enough to show that you can defend yourself.

    Criminals like easy targets.

    http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable15.pdf

    During this same five-year period, (ed 2007-2011) only 235,700 of the self-protective behaviors involved a firearm

    http://reason.com/blog/2015/03/09/how-to-count-the-defensive-use-of-guns
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    Jun 21, 2016 8:07 PM GMT
    This is the bedroom of the gun-obsessed angry young British man who is accused of trying to murder Donald Trump.

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    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pictured-inside-bedroom-brit-accused-8246831

    All of the guns are replicas. The chances of someone like him (who, by the way, perfectly fits the profile of the average mass shooter in the US) being able to get his hands on a real semi-automatic rifle in Britain are slim to zero. He even had to go to a range in Nevada to get some pistol firing experience.

    Gun control works.

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    BP201 saidThey're all just Americans. Americans are more likely to commit suicide with their guns then they're used to "protect themselves" from terrorism. It's not a joke. American troops/vets are killing themselves faster than they are being killed by "the enemy"
    Just look at all the police killing unarmed American citizens... or the war on drugs... Legalize all drugs and minimize gun violence that way. These are the stepping stones that will make America great. Make America secular for once. How about that? Anything else is nonsense regarding Islamic terrorism. We make it our problem and suffer all the consequences time after time again because idiot Americans swear this is a Christian nation under attack by 3rd world extremist who hate our "freedom"


    Protecting yourself with a firearm doesn't come down to shooting the bastard trying to rob, rape, or kill you. Sometimes it's enough to show that you can defend yourself.

    Criminals like easy targets.

    http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable15.pdf

    During this same five-year period, (ed 2007-2011) only 235,700 of the self-protective behaviors involved a firearm

    http://reason.com/blog/2015/03/09/how-to-count-the-defensive-use-of-guns


    TBH an assault is an assault, I agree. Be it a gun or a broken bottle. There's really nothing that can be done to undo the deep rooted gun culture embedded into this country, but what we CAN do is legalize all drugs. That's a change that grants us more freedom, no? There's thousands of jobless drug dealers on the streets with all sorts of unregistered guns. It's not like we don't know how they got there but yes, let's act traumatized by all these false flags operations for 10 minutes, make things worse and repeat.