After reading this link, do you believe Orlando was/is a Conspiracy?

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  Jun 20, 2016 7:04 AM GMT

  I've been in Orlando since the day of the tragedy. I just can't get my mind off it, because it seems so fishy. Like UFOs and 9/11...as you know, many conspiracy theories are beginning to surface. I definitely believe the shooter was being used as a pawn for a bigger agenda. The other reason I've not attended any vigils and such...because I feel it was a manufactured tragedy. There's so many things not being told. For example: what exactly was the hostage negotiation about? What were the demands in these 3 hours? We've yet to been told what demands he was holding hostages for the tragedy. Especially if we use the true meaning of the word which seems to be used by media to refer to the incident:
  
  tragedy (ˈtrædʒɪdɪ)
  n, pl -dies
  1. (Theatre) (esp in classical and Renaissance drama) a play in which the protagonist, usually a man of importance and outstanding personal qualities, falls to disaster through the combination of a personal failing and circumstances with which he cannot deal
  
  
  Long story short, a inside job of sorts. I'm sure once shit hits the fan, there's going to be a lot of shit to be seen when the gun smoke clears. I ain't trying to get myself killed, so I won't make any specific suspicious. But I think something is off about this whole thing:
  
  http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/06/12/orlando/

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  Jun 20, 2016 7:19 AM GMT

  Total BS. 94% of terrorist attacks are from leftists, Jews, Animal Rights Groups?
  
  If you buy that tripe I guarantee there's a book you can buy to confirm your views.
  
  Since the Kennedy Assassin conspiracy has become a cottage industry. They prey on weak people with strong convictions......more muscle than brains.

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  Jun 20, 2016 8:47 AM GMT

  I'm not buying everything the article is saying...but rather the examination as a whole.
  
  I also want to mention...I don't want previous conspiracies to validate a dupe this one.

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  Jun 20, 2016 6:51 PM GMT

  ......but why the flag is never down...god is mercy...sure they on better place..leave it 2GOD
  ....LET PEOPLE OF NOWADAYS learn how 2 love...on bad times ....when it dark..the sunshine will soon

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  Jun 20, 2016 7:04 PM GMT

  The other thing that wasn't mentioned is that the shooter "exchanged gunfire" with the officers. How exactly did the initial off duty officer not get shot? If it was a cop who was killed, best believe we'd be hearing about that. No cop was killed or even injured. Only a bunch of gays. Assuming that's what even happened. Some parts of the article insist the shooter was able to quickly run, avoid gun shots, and get to the bathroom and get hostages. But how could so many people be killed in such a short amount of time if he quickly ran to the bathroom...assuming there was only 1 shooter?
  
  And again, I want to hear what the reason was for the hostage. What negotiations were being made? That article states what the reason possibly was, but assuming that's not true...what was it then?
  
  
  

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  Jun 20, 2016 7:12 PM GMT

  oooh.......ahhhhh..do u think so
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  we know same games on egypt
  hahhaha
  governments had bad tools
  
  ...but the earth is watched...leave it 2 sooner or latter the truth will known
  

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  Jun 20, 2016 10:03 PM GMT

  "I ain't trying to get myself killed, so I won't make any specific suspicious. But I think something is off about this whole thing:"
  
  So you are victimizing yourself? Alluding to a threat you make to yourself? I doubt the intelligence community is checking RJ for ......um.....intelligence!
  
  Dr. Franklyn: Oh, Mr. Holmes, I'd love to tell you. But then of course, I'd have to kill you.
  
  Sherlock Holmes: That would be tremendously ambitious of you.
  
  Just like any important/mass murder where ONE person does an improbably thing that affects many (JFK, Orlando) be it a President or a group, conspiracy theories abound BECAUSE it seems so improbable. Therefore it MUST be a conspiracy!
  
  In the JFK "conspiracy" there was the "Magic Bullet." The bullet appeared "pristine" from one side only. The conspirators said the trajectory was wrong to hit Kennedy and Connally. Many people believed that for decades, me included. Obviously a bullet does turn in mid flight. The problem was in the 1964 recreation. They used an older Cadillac limousine: taller and narrower with relatively flat floors. The Lincoln limo was lower, wider and the floors were recessed, so the jump seats were inboard of the frame rails.
  
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  JFK is the granddaddy of ALL conspiracies. Even more than Abraham Lincoln, because it was televised and still feels current, and Booth did have some help but was the sole shooter.
  
  As for 9/11 conspiracy theorists, I'm offended. Like Orlando innocent people will be held up to some pathetic scheme to made money, books, and a name for themselves out of simple doubt.
  http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323716304578483551858498688
  
  
  

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  Jun 20, 2016 11:17 PM GMT

  I think it's important to question everything that we see or hear. The media plays a huge part in manipulating stories. While I'm not saying that I believe that this article is true, with 9/11 being an inside job - anything's possible.

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  Jun 20, 2016 11:25 PM GMT

  Liberal's attempt to rewrite history by editing the terrorists' 911 conversations has failed:
  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/06/20/fbi-release-orlando-911-transcripts/86130520/
  
  When is Obama going to tell the FBI to keep tracking those already investigated in the event they try to purchase weapons in the future?

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  Jun 20, 2016 11:31 PM GMT

  This is interesting...
  
  
  
  

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  Jun 20, 2016 11:50 PM GMT

  A lot of people also believe the planet is flat.

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  Jun 21, 2016 12:54 AM GMT

  mx5guynj saidLiberal's attempt to rewrite history by editing the terrorists' 911 conversations has failed:
  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/06/20/fbi-release-orlando-911-transcripts/86130520/
  
  When is Obama going to tell the FBI to keep tracking those already investigated in the event they try to purchase weapons in the future?

  
  
  read your own link!
  
  "Later, in a joint statement, Justice and FBI officials said they relented because the redactions had "caused unnecessary distraction'' from the work of law enforcement authorities.
  
  "We also did not want to provide the killer or terrorist organizations with a publicity platform for hateful propaganda,'' according to the statement.
  
  White House press secretary Josh Earnest said all decisions about the release of the transcript were made by the Justice Department. He declined to weigh in on the controversy. “The position of the White House is that we shouldn’t interfere with a pending law enforcement investigation,” he said.
  
  But President Obama himself has repeatedly said that the shooter pledged allegiance to the Islamic State, most recently in his weekly radio address Saturday. “During his killing spree, he pledged allegiance to ISIL,..."
  
  Obama wasn't editing out he terrorist angle.
  
  

  Glenn GreewaldTerror attacks, by design, succeed in terrorizing. If you are a resident of any western country, it is more likely that you will die from a lightning strike than from a terrorist attack perpetrated by a Muslim. Writing in The New Yorker in early this year, the physicist Lawrence Krauss noted that “even if you include 9/11, the total death toll from terrorism amounts to less than one per cent of the death toll from gun violence.”

  
  
  
  
  

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  Jun 21, 2016 2:14 AM GMT

  No conspiracy!
  Gay people are under attack from many groups.
  I know some of you may dislike me, maybe like me.
  Whatever, it's no biggy! You never really know someone
  unless you meet them face to face. Words are expressionless!
  
  From my experience, we are UNDER ATTACK. I hope you can survive
  and live a happy life. I've learned to Cloak myself in some forms..... like a chameleon, at times> to survive.

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  Jun 21, 2016 4:40 AM GMT

  2Bnaked saidNo conspiracy!
  Gay people are under attack from many groups.
  I know some of you may dislike me, maybe like me.
  Whatever, it's no biggy! You never really know someone
  unless you meet them face to face. Words are expressionless!
  
  From my experience, we are UNDER ATTACK. I hope you can survive
  and live a happy life. I've learned to Cloak myself in some forms..... like a chameleon, at times> to survive.

  
  
  Chicken Little, that's exactly what the terrorists want. People like you to be in fear. They create fear in a disproportional amount to the actual victims. "Bang for the Buck" if you will.
  
  There were 10 other mass killings that weekend and 125 other gun deaths in general.
  I cited the article above where 1/10 of 1% of deaths was due to terrorism. Get a grip on yourself.

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  Jun 21, 2016 5:54 AM GMT

  TIMinPS said

  2Bnaked saidNo conspiracy!
  Gay people are under attack from many groups.
  I know some of you may dislike me, maybe like me.
  Whatever, it's no biggy! You never really know someone
  unless you meet them face to face. Words are expressionless!
  
  From my experience, we are UNDER ATTACK. I hope you can survive
  and live a happy life. I've learned to Cloak myself in some forms..... like a chameleon, at times> to survive.

  
  
  Chicken Little, that's exactly what the terrorists want. People like you to be in fear. They create fear in a disproportional amount to the actual victims. "Bang for the Buck" if you will.
  
  There were 10 other mass killings that weekend and 125 other gun deaths in general.
  I cited the article above where 1/10 of 1% of deaths was due to terrorism. Get a grip on yourself.

  
  
  Look,
  No need to say something offensive! DO YOU LIKE IT WHEN.....?
  
  I have never been, nor will be AFRAID. Take a look at some of my other forum entries.
  
  I know how to fight, use a variety of guns and defend myself. I actually have more than once.
  I say be discrete and try to not stand out to much and if you're in a big crowd stay alert for ANY signs
  that might seem out of place or shady. It's up to us to look around and help each other out.
  

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  Jun 21, 2016 6:27 AM GMT

  The Axis of Conspiracy Evil...............All things GWOT, feeding the machine
  
  What do you think all the cyber hacking has been? "target practice"
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

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  Jun 21, 2016 7:05 AM GMT

  The seed for conspiracy theory is to think oneself smarter than the rest.
  
  If the media lie, who cares?
  
  You'll die sooner than their lies.
  
  

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  Jun 21, 2016 4:36 PM GMT

  woooooooo... i loved the speech

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  Jun 21, 2016 10:41 PM GMT

  There is not likely a conspiracy at hand as everything is gelling and making sense. Arm chair quarterbacking AFTER the exigency passes is productive if done to critique behavior/actions/policy going forward, but quickly devolves into inane wheel-spinning. Take, for example, those who deny the Holocaust. Their "points" are often individually valid (where are all the bones if there were so many mass graves, why didn't more Jews revolt once they all-but-knew their fate, and etc., etc., etc.). They then thread each individual point of inquiry into their pre-determined conclusion that the Holocaust is a false-flag or fake-tragedy that either didn't happen at all or that didn't happen to the degree it is commonly believed to have happened. The impulse to do this, is, ironically in all of us as if our minds deny the existence or minimize the extent of damage then that helps resolve the emotional trauma such a tradegy or tragedy of that magnitude might cause us to experience. In short, instead of emotionally processing the millions of Jews that died your mind says, 'this simply can't be,' and searches for pieces of disparate evidence and clues and then strings them together while forgetting or devaluing contradictory evidence. This confirmation bias is nothing new.
  
  I'd recommend you get some grief counseling instead of engaging in this intellectually assinine conspiracy theory your mind is desperately stringing together so it doesn't have to process the emotional trauma caused by the loss. It's easier to be angry or to intellectualize things instead of feeling vulnerable and properly processing emotions by grieving. Drop the conspiracy theory schtick and call a hotline or visit a local grief counselor.

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  Jun 21, 2016 11:59 PM GMT

  Svnw688 saidThere is not likely a conspiracy at hand as everything is gelling and making sense. Arm chair quarterbacking AFTER the exigency passes is productive if done to critique behavior/actions/policy going forward, but quickly devolves into inane wheel-spinning. Take, for example, those who deny the Holocaust. Their "points" are often individually valid (where are all the bones if there were so many mass graves, why didn't more Jews revolt once they all-but-knew their fate, and etc., etc., etc.). They then thread each individual point of inquiry into their pre-determined conclusion that the Holocaust is a false-flag or fake-tragedy that either didn't happen at all or that didn't happen to the degree it is commonly believed to have happened. The impulse to do this, is, ironically in all of us as if our minds deny the existence or minimize the extent of damage then that helps resolve the emotional trauma such a tradegy or tragedy of that magnitude might cause us to experience. In short, instead of emotionally processing the millions of Jews that died your mind says, 'this simply can't be,' and searches for pieces of disparate evidence and clues and then strings them together while forgetting or devaluing contradictory evidence. This confirmation bias is nothing new.
  
  I'd recommend you get some grief counseling instead of engaging in this intellectually assinine conspiracy theory your mind is desperately stringing together so it doesn't have to process the emotional trauma caused by the loss. It's easier to be angry or to intellectualize things instead of feeling vulnerable and properly processing emotions by grieving. Drop the conspiracy theory schtick and call a hotline or visit a local grief counselor.

  
  
  Well put!

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  Jun 22, 2016 6:58 AM GMT

  Svnw688 saidI'd recommend you get some grief counseling instead of engaging in this intellectually assinine conspiracy theory your mind is desperately stringing together so it doesn't have to process the emotional trauma caused by the loss. It's easier to be angry or to intellectualize things instead of feeling vulnerable and properly processing emotions by grieving. Drop the conspiracy theory schtick and call a hotline or visit a local grief counselor.

  
  
  Excuse me, but who the fuck are you talking to? Because I knoooooooooooooooooow you ain't talking to me? You ain't gotta tell me about no grief counseling. I was standing right next to a friend at a gay club outside in Tampa years ago who got shot in the spine RIGHT NEXT TO ME. Honey, you don't know what I've been thru and seen.
  
  I am not denying the tragedy happened. I'm not saying people didn't die or got shot. Yes, I have known about the Kennedy conspiracy for years. I'm not really big on conspiracies. I'm new to this. But I do know a little about nightclub fights, and have been in situations in nightclubs where the police LIED or omitted information in the police report. I've had that happen.
  
  All I'm saying is: non of the Orlando police department's men were injured or killed. Just a bunch of gays. The narratives indicated an exchange of gunfire. When I heard that, I assumed an off duty cop was killed. But NOPE, not ONE SINGLE PHOTO of a cop injured or killed, which often makes national press. So you telling me, he killed 50 and injured 49, but with all those cops, not one even took a bullet? Come on.
  
  This whole thing smells fishy even to the untrained eye. Y'all believing and feeding this bullshit, is exactly what the gov. Wants. Yes, I was there. But you can put 2 and 2 together. And then, the killer ends up dead. The operation was botched.
  
  My theory is the city of Orlando and the State of Florida was all in this bullshit. And they got a pretty good chunk of money from it too. All y'all believing this shit happened the way it's being said is foolish. You've proven to be gullible if you believe that the cops didn't kill them people or some funny business isn't behind this whole thing.
  
  Remember: Treyvon Martin-Orlando/Sanford
  Pulse Massacre: Orlando
  
  The shit don't fall too far from the asshole

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  Jun 23, 2016 11:20 PM GMT

  I also have been in Orlando since before the shooting, through it all , and am still here today.
  I do not think it was a conspiracy, or at least I am hoping that it wasn't.
  I will add, however, that I did see this one post that was a snippet of one of the broadcasts covering the situation. It was a few days after the shooting and there was a caller that was telling his story about what happened. The call was 100% clear and audible and it seemed like any of the other networks covering it, but he kept talking and at one point he started to say something to the effect of "The group that I was running out of the club with got to this one side door that wasn't locked but someone was holding it shut from the outside" and right when he started saying that the call cut off.
  
  With that, people theorized that there was someone else with him or potentially another shooter? Or maybe this falls into this "conspiracy theory", I don't know.
  I don't want to believe it is all some conspiracy theory though - because I will go absolutely bananas in my head.
  Whatever meaning or reasoning was behind this, the bottom line is that this ended up being the deadliest shooting in our nation. And to be honest it's scary. But having been in Orlando the entire time, I can tell you the aftermath of the shooting has been amazing. So much support from everyone, so many rainbows and signs everywhere with different sayings like "#OrlandoUnited" and stuff like that. The company I work for was extremely genuine with their response and we gathered to help volunteer and the company itself donated to the fundraisers. Really, it's honestly been such an amazing sight to see the city come together in light of what has happened. What happened that night has honestly left me scared, but what happened after makes me proud - and that's what I'd rather be focusing on. Call me naive

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