Victoria Australia Burns.

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    Feb 10, 2009 9:30 PM GMT
    Victoria Australia, at this very moment in time, is enduring it's worst bush fires in recorded history.

    I would like to take a moment out, to thank all the Firer Fighter, and Volunteers. My thoughts are with my fellow Aussies, and Australians too for that matter. Who have lost everthing, or even just a pet, a true loved one.

    I love my sunburned county.
    A land of sweeping plains,
    of rugged mountain ranges,
    of drought and flooding rains.
  • DCEric

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    Feb 11, 2009 3:21 AM GMT
    California called, it said....

    Ok fine, no jokes, but it seems that either the Aussie government (or Victoria... I must admit I do not know who would be responsible for what in Oz) has really botched this. That whole "evacuate if you want to" nonsense was pure lunacy. With the fires that close to Melborne, and on-shore flow (I can't control the meteorologist in me) what was the government thinking?
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    Feb 11, 2009 3:25 AM GMT
    DCEric saidWith the fires that close to Melborne (sic), and on-shore flow (I can't control the meteorologist in me) what was the government thinking?


    Well the fires weren't THAT close to Melbourne if you actually look. It was rural Victoria that got hit the hardest; not urban areas.

    My heart goes out to those lost also. I'm sad for my fellow aussies. icon_sad.gif
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    Feb 11, 2009 3:30 AM GMT
    Sorry about the misspelling I typed that fast. As for the proximity to Melbourne, we must be looking at different maps: http://www.cnet.com.au/software/internet/0,239029524,339294840,00.htm
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    Feb 11, 2009 3:45 AM GMT
    It really is bloody awful at the moment.

    I have to say though, that the Stay or Go Early policy isn't as ridiculous as it seems.

    Staying requires clearing 40m of bush around your home and 100m if your house is on the side of a hill. You need to have your own water supply so that you can fight the fire and you need to make yourself aware of any news bulletins, and that means a battery powered radio.

    The CRC for Bushfires has studied this heaps and found that houses usually don't burn down like the bush burns. Houses smoulder and then burn which in most cases gives enough time for a person who is in the house to put the smouldering embers out. If there is no one there, then a house will burn down.

    Part of the threat of bushfire comes from smoke, the rest comes from the radiant heat. The walls of a house are very well-suited for protecting a person from these in the 5-10 minutes that it takes for a bushfire to pass.

    The advice is if you are physically and mentally prepared to protect your house, then do so. Otherwise, leave early, before you see smoke. The vast majority of people who have died, died in their cars, driving away. There is no protection in a car from radiant heat. It's just a sad sad mistake.

    There will be a Royal Commission to determine if Stay or Leave Early is going to be appropriate in the face of climate change. There is some suggestion that the wind from the fire was hurricane-force which may have rendered houses unsafe, but historically, this has been an excellent policy. It certainly saved my house from a bushfire in 2003.
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    Feb 11, 2009 5:52 AM GMT
    I live in the outer Eastern suburbs of Melbourne, in a semi rural environment, green belt. The fires got to be only 30 minutes drive from my home.

    I would not leave me home. But I would make sure all my animal were away safely. But I would stay to fight the fire, like many others, I would not flee.
  • waterman

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    Feb 11, 2009 5:59 AM GMT
    No matter what, take a moment and think good thoughts for anyone you know. My friend Shine is waiting to hear that friends and family are okay. I wish the best to everyone.
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    Feb 11, 2009 6:03 AM GMT
    DCEric saidSorry about the misspelling I typed that fast. As for the proximity to Melbourne, we must be looking at different maps: http://www.cnet.com.au/software/internet/0,239029524,339294840,00.htm


    No, we were looking at the same map - the majority of those dots are > 100km from Melbourne. I guess you need to define 'close'...

    ...in any case, it's been a rough few days. I don't think we should be blaming the government just yet - the bushfires were / are unpredictable, overwhelming, and emergency services worked their butts off. Let's give credit where credit is due before launching into a Katrina-style media circus.
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    Feb 11, 2009 6:05 AM GMT
    Burned houses beyond repair everywhere, the smell of death in the air. The sadness, the loss, the pain. The murder of not only human life but our helpless native wild life.

    A number of the fires were deliberately lit, some out near me in Marrysville, the whole tow is now gone. icon_cry.gif
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    Feb 11, 2009 6:06 AM GMT
    seanp7 said
    DCEric saidWith the fires that close to Melborne (sic), and on-shore flow (I can't control the meteorologist in me) what was the government thinking?


    Well the fires weren't THAT close to Melbourne if you actually look. It was rural Victoria that got hit the hardest; not urban areas.

    My heart goes out to those lost also. I'm sad for my fellow aussies. icon_sad.gif


    lets not forget the Australians either.......
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    Feb 11, 2009 6:24 AM GMT
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    Feb 17, 2009 12:06 AM GMT
    David Tree and Sam
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    Feb 17, 2009 12:22 AM GMT
    http://www.redcross.org.au/vic/services_emergencyservices_victorian-bushfires-appeal-2009.htm
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    Feb 17, 2009 12:25 AM GMT
    athlftlguy saidhttp://www.redcross.org.au/vic/services_emergencyservices_victorian-bushfires-appeal-2009.htm


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    Feb 17, 2009 12:51 AM GMT
    Caslon9000 saidDavid Tree and Sam


    In fact that was taken in the bush, just outside the farm, I was to grow up on, down in Gippsland. That picture just makes me want to cry! Millions of wildlife dead. icon_cry.gif
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    Feb 17, 2009 1:07 AM GMT
    Even now, as I sit in my home office,and look out the window into the valley that I live. The air is thick with smoke.
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    Feb 17, 2009 1:12 AM GMT
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    athlftlguy saidhttp://www.redcross.org.au/vic/services_emergencyservices_victorian-bushfires-appeal-2009.htm


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    I myself have donated two weeks pay. And even more for the Animals. Please dig deep and give........... So that they may live.
  • kjm1990

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    Feb 17, 2009 3:01 AM GMT
    wile i do not live in vic i have family there,my partner went to vist his family he wanted me to go,i didnt want to we had a fight and the last thing i said to him was i hope you burn in hell..and he did ive lost the guy i love id give any thing to change what i said hell id go with him so that way we would of died together but his gone an theres nothing i can do.im not the only one to have lost a loved one its a sad time for all
  • kjm1990

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    Feb 17, 2009 7:18 AM GMT
    toll reached 200
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    Feb 18, 2009 10:41 AM GMT
    Found out today 4 of my family members make up some of that 200. may be more yet. Such is life.