BBC calls Brexit. Result:

  • JackNNJ

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    Jun 24, 2016 3:46 AM GMT
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  • interestingch...

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    Jun 24, 2016 7:50 AM GMT
    Well we are out then, what is going to happen now? at least we can make our own decisions about what our money gets spent on, Sweden said they would take a vote on the matter too as well as Austria, the Eurozone is going to collapse now and if the lies on getting us into the Iraq war hadn't happened and the subsequent turmoil all around the middle east because of that happening which resulted in the mass migrant crisis, as a nation we probably wouldn't have voted out, also the interference from Obama saying we would come last in the trade deals if we did and the utter blackmail from our prime minister quite frankly i'm disgusted how it has been handled by our so called leaders, also its convenient that Joe Cox was murdered exactly one week before the vote, there is way more than meets the eye on how that happened, i'm sure, trying to manipulate the british public into staying in Europe I think.
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    Jun 25, 2016 6:05 PM GMT
    Brexit buyer's remorse has arrived.

    Boris Johnson and Nigel Farrage are so quickly dancing around their promises. It's becoming obvious that they really didn't plan on winning, and they don't know what to do now.
  • Unnamed6

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    Jun 25, 2016 8:43 PM GMT
    It's one thing to exit the EU which somehow reflects the genuine wishes of the British public without any outside influence and pressure (especially from Russia), and it's another thing to exit the EU under outside influence and pressure (especially from Russia).
  • Unnamed6

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    Jun 25, 2016 8:46 PM GMT
    And when so-called nationalist sentiments, movements and political parties are bankrolled by the Russians (and to some degree Brexit was bankrolled by the Russians), they are in a nutshell anything but that.
  • Unnamed6

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    Jun 25, 2016 9:05 PM GMT
    Putin has played the good game and he likely deserves to be congratualated, or as former US Ambassador to Russia just two years ago, Michael McFaul, twitter feed has put it:




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    Jun 25, 2016 9:16 PM GMT
    I'm sure Donald Trump is jubilant and the political elites are rattled. It seems the Acerage Joe heading to the polls is in a surly mood everywhere. Canadians tossed out Stephen Harper (as opposed to electing Justin Trudeau, a subtle but profound difference). I see bad news on the horizon for elected officials everywhere.
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    Jun 25, 2016 11:41 PM GMT
    Juvenile_Orion800 said
    Unnamed6 saidAnd when so-called nationalist sentiments, movements and political parties are bankrolled by the Russians (and to some degree Brexit was bankrolled by the Russians), they are in a nutshell anything but that.

    What do you Americans have against Russia anyway's? , I alway's hear you American fucks always saying something negative about Russia. I rather be Russian than American any day, and hope Russia nukes America, because I will be in the corner laughing when we do.


    It was David Cameron and the British government who led (with American encouragement) the EU member states to impose sanctions on the Russians for their aggressive moves in Europe (rather moderate in scale, the sanctions were done to force reconciliation between the EU and Russia without having to go to war). Now that the UK is exiting they can't force the EU to maintain those sanctions against Russia. So three possibilities exist now, that the EU maintain moderate sanctions against Russia without British leadership, lift sanctions altogether on their own (which Russian funded political parties across Europe could influence) or the EU could pursue a far more aggressive policy towards the Russians, include debilitating sanctions (Baltic and Visegrad states know that they are neck deep in Russian spies and agents who are working to undermine their respective governments). War in Europe, if not nuclear war, is a higher possibility now than it has been before.
  • Unnamed6

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    Jun 25, 2016 11:50 PM GMT
    So to reiterate, Britain, along with other Western European countries were a moderating force in the EU. With the UK gone, Eastern European states have far greater power in the EU now and they would want to pursue a harsher approach on Russia than what the British government would have ever approved of (like tougher controls over Russian energy exports), or even what a non-EU state like America would have approved of, thus pushing the world closer to war.
  • badbug

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    Jun 26, 2016 1:30 AM GMT
    and hope Russia nukes America, because I will be in the corner laughing when we do


    Perhaps you aren't aware of how nuclear war works. There won't be any corners anywhere to laugh from if there were a nuclear war between Russia and America.

    It was David Cameron and the British government who led (with American encouragement) the EU member states to impose sanctions on the Russians for their aggressive moves in Europe


    The west provoking Russia has been going on since Russia stopped being the Soviet Union. Acting like sanctions was some policy shift is crazyness, the policy of shitting on Russia has been a continual, wreckless, thing that has lead to this. All parties and governments that have allowed the needless badgering of Russia for the past 20 plus years have done everything in their power to make war more likely than it needs to be. The West has proven to be dishonourable in victory, a lesson the Russians surely will never forget nor will the Chinese or any other future powers.



  • Unnamed6

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    Jun 26, 2016 4:22 AM GMT
    badbug saidand hope Russia nukes America, because I will be in the corner laughing when we do


    Perhaps you aren't aware of how nuclear war works. There won't be any corners anywhere to laugh from if there were a nuclear war between Russia and America.

    It was David Cameron and the British government who led (with American encouragement) the EU member states to impose sanctions on the Russians for their aggressive moves in Europe


    The west provoking Russia has been going on since Russia stopped being the Soviet Union. Acting like sanctions was some policy shift is crazyness, the policy of shitting on Russia has been a continual, wreckless, thing that has lead to this. All parties and governments that have allowed the needless badgering of Russia for the past 20 plus years have done everything in their power to make war more likely than it needs to be. The West has proven to be dishonourable in victory, a lesson the Russians surely will never forget nor will the Chinese or any other future powers.





    I fail to see that tensions between Russia and the West are the total fault of the West... It would be very naive to exonerate the Russians and Chinese of their competitive ambitions (though left unstated, they covet being Number 1) and not see that America and the West were often more reactive to the two countries in the last decade than ever having an ability to control them. I would say that Russia's Yeltsin years and the "One Hundred Years of Humiliation" in China before the the creation of the People's Republic of China in 1949, would qualify as being shat upon by the West, but your perception of things now could be further from the truth. If anything it's the Muslims that had, and continue to be, shat upon, being used as pawns by both the West and Russia for the last half century now (even today a large percentage of ISIS fighters are Chechnyan spies), and they'll surely remember just how much they have been used...

    And Russia faces things like an infertility crisis (and almost 90% of Russian men have erectile dysfunction, and close to 40% are asexual http://english.pravda.ru/health/11-01-2012/120204-erectile_dysfunction-0/) and societal wide opiate and alcohol addiction (just to mention a few of Russia's problems). Russians are collectivist by nature and how an individual feels and acts, and their capacity for something like coitus, will depend on the overall success or failure of the Russian people and the Russian state as a whole. The restoration of Russia as a superpower will dramatically raise the self-esteem of the average Russian (enough that they could start humping again) and many of the calamities that Russia faces could simply go away. So Putin has a stake in trying to improve the dismal and desperate state that Russia is in, and there's relatively few ways to do this, but one of those ways would be through the restoration of Russia as a superpower. And to achieve this goal, it's far more plausible to believe that it would be the Russians, having little to lose, but much to gain, that would be the ones who are willing to be dishonorable (and by dishonorable I include being complicit in recent terrorist attacks by ISIS, as there's now growing evidence that Putin must have had advance knowledge of the Paris attacks but allowed it to happen (per FSB defectors, and one in particular in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qyLlkU6aCc) and ISIS' own beheading videos reveal just how involved Russian intelligence is within ISIS, as Russian ISIS fighters often kill other Russians deemed as spies in order to prove how loyal they are to ISIS. ISIS has a greater grudge against Russia than any other country, and they have sponsored more attacks against Russia than anywhere else, but they have all been foiled, and I think that is due to how involved Russian intelligence is within ISIS.)
  • Brock700xChar...

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    Jun 26, 2016 4:24 AM GMT
    Unnamed6 said
    badbug saidand hope Russia nukes America, because I will be in the corner laughing when we do


    Perhaps you aren't aware of how nuclear war works. There won't be any corners anywhere to laugh from if there were a nuclear war between Russia and America.

    It was David Cameron and the British government who led (with American encouragement) the EU member states to impose sanctions on the Russians for their aggressive moves in Europe


    The west provoking Russia has been going on since Russia stopped being the Soviet Union. Acting like sanctions was some policy shift is crazyness, the policy of shitting on Russia has been a continual, wreckless, thing that has lead to this. All parties and governments that have allowed the needless badgering of Russia for the past 20 plus years have done everything in their power to make war more likely than it needs to be. The West has proven to be dishonourable in victory, a lesson the Russians surely will never forget nor will the Chinese or any other future powers.





    I fail to see that tensions between Russia and the West are the total fault of the West... It would be very naive to exonerate the Russians and Chinese of their competitive ambitions (though left unstated, they covet being Number 1) and not see that America and the West were often more reactive to the two countries in the last decade than ever having an ability to control them. I would say that Russia's Yeltsin years and the "One Hundred Years of Humiliation" in China before the the creation of the People's Republic of China in 1949, would qualify as being shat upon by the West, but your perception of things now could be further from the truth. If anything it's the Muslims that had, and continue to be, shat upon, being used as pawns by both the West and Russia for the last half century now (a large percentage of ISIS fighters are Chechnyan spies), and they'll surely remember just how much they have been used...

    And Russia faces things like an infertility crisis (and almost 90% of Russian men have erectile dysfunction, and close to 40% are asexual http://english.pravda.ru/health/11-01-2012/120204-erectile_dysfunction-0/) and societal wide opiate and alcohol addiction (just to mention a few of Russia's problems). Russians are collectivist by nature and how an individual feels and acts, and their capacity for something like coitus, will depend on the overall success or failure of the Russian people and the Russian state as a whole. The restoration of Russia as a superpower will dramatically raise the self-esteem of the average Russian (enough that they could start humping again) and many of the calamities that Russia faces could simply go away. So Putin has a stake in trying to improve the dismal and desperate state that Russia is in, and there's relatively few ways to do this, but one of those ways would be through the restoration of Russia as a superpower. And to achieve this goal, it's far more plausible to believe that it would be the Russians, having little to lose, but much to gain, that would be the ones that are more willing to be dishonorable (and by dishonorable I include being complicit in recent terrorist attacks by ISIS, as there's now growing evidence that Putin must have had advance knowledge of the Paris attacks but allowed it to happen (per FSB defectors, and one in particular in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qyLlkU6aCc) and ISIS' own beheading videos reveal just how involved Russian intelligence is within ISIS, as Russian ISIS fighters often kill other Russians deemed as spies in order to prove how loyal they are to ISIS. ISIS has a greater grudge against Russia than any other country, and they have sponsored more attacks against Russia than anywhere else, but they have all been foiled, and I think that is due to how involved Russian intelligence is with ISIS.)


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  • Unnamed6

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    Jun 26, 2016 8:22 AM GMT
    People should know that I'm actually in the process of gathering evidence that essentially implicates one particular Russian organization called Nashi (or "Our" to the Russians), as the primary reason for Brexit, Trump winning the Republican primary, cyber attacks in Estonia back in 2007, and for having a role in ISIS. Nashi is composed of hundreds of thousands of Russians that idolize Putin, enough to be called a cult and to have comparisons to the Hitler Youth. Tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of Nashi members, some paid and supervised, and others just doing it out of patriotic duty, have created various social media accounts throughout the web to steer public opinion (or to just spam and comment people to death) in favor of Russia. Apparently they have been used for Brexit and on the Republican primary (I'll hopefully document this later somehow). And I've seen more than 500 people killed by ISIS, and much of that killing is in 1080p, and one particular music video released in November of last year, that had vowed vengeance against Russia (and had been replete with 21 beheadings (more or less, I sort of counted) and some 50 other killings (didn't really count those killings), had a beat similar to the famous song "A Man Like Putin", which many Russian millennials, especially those in Nashi, would be well familiar with... The Nasheed chant (acapella for Islamists) in the video is in Russian and contains the verse, "Soon, Very Soon" that has been used in Russian pop and Christian folk music. And hopefully again I could detail all of this and provide the appropriate analysis at a later time, but yes, I suspect that Nashi (the very entity that likely made Trump win the Republican primary), along with the FSB and Chechyan President, Ramzan Kadyrov, are providing soldiers for ISIS.
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    Jun 26, 2016 10:32 AM GMT
    Unnamed6 saidIt's one thing to exit the EU which somehow reflects the genuine wishes of the British public without any outside influence and pressure (especially from Russia), and it's another thing to exit the EU under outside influence and pressure (especially from Russia).


    This does not reflect the genuine wishes of the British people. Only 36% of the population voted to leave. This is a sign of democracy running amok. A country cannot run efficiently on referndums. Now what happens when Scotland and Ireland leave the British Union?
    This was not a well thought out decision. It was based on fear and idiocy.
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    Jun 26, 2016 7:10 PM GMT
    BREXIT Campaigner Nigel Farrage now says EXPECT A RECESSION "but it's not our fault".

    What a fiasco! And look how quiet the loudmouth Boris Johnson is now.

    Clearly these politicians had no idea what they were doing. They didn't plan on winning. Now they have no idea what to do!
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    Jun 28, 2016 5:12 AM GMT
    Beware the Brexit bots: The Twitter spam out to swing your vote
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2094629-beware-the-brexit-bots-the-twitter-spam-out-to-swing-your-vote/

    By Chris Baraniuk

    21 June 2016, updated 22 June 2016

    Watch out for the ballot bots. As the UK’s referendum on membership of the European Union draws near, researchers are increasingly concerned about automated social media accounts that might be trying to sway the vote.

    Philip Howard at Oxford University and Bence Kollanyi at Corvinus University have discovered bot accounts furiously sharing and promoting messages supportive of both the Remain and Leave sides.

    Of 1.5 million tweets with hashtags related to the referendum sampled between 5 June and 12 June, they found that 54 per cent were pro-Leave and 20 per cent were pro-Remain. But a third – half a million tweets – were generated by just 1 per cent of the 300,000 sampled accounts. This level of activity suggests that many of these are scripted bots, say Howard and Kollanyi. Throughout the period, the Brexit bots were much more active, tweeting more than three times as often as the Remain bots.

    Howard is worried about a potential surge in this activity right before voters go to the polls. “We have seen botnets emerge in the 36 hours before an election – they can spread massive amounts of misinformation,” he says.

    Another group of independent researchers at Sadbottrue.com identified a string of apparently automated accounts targeting the EU referendum. Only 10 per cent of the 200 most frequent retweeters of pro-Leave and pro-Remain content were defined as human.

    It’s not the first time that political bots have been detected. Lee Jasper, a candidate for a parliamentary by-election in London admitted using Twitter bots as far back as 2012. Bots were also used during Mexican elections that year, according to Emiliano Treré at the Autonomous University of Querétaro in Mexico. “Digital tools have been successfully deployed by Mexican parties and governments in order to manufacture consent, sabotage dissidence, threaten activists and gather personal data,” he said in a report published in the Institute of Development Studies Bulletin in January.

    Susan Banducci, a social scientist at the University of Exeter, UK, says she is concerned that bots may give those that control them undue influence over the outcome of Britain’s EU referendum.

    “It is a close race – the polls show that, the betting markets show that,” she says. “If people sense that the Leave campaign, for example, is way ahead and the sentiment is moving in that direction, they might be discouraged from voting. I think that is dangerous.”

    The impact of Twitter alone is limited as it has a fairly small UK user base of around 15 million people. But Banducci says that the bots may have second-order influence because journalists use social media. If journalists interpret bot-boosted messages as a shift in the public mood, or if bots force unsubstantiated rumours into the public conversation, then the potential to influence the wider public becomes much greater.

    “To have a healthy democracy, a modern citizen should be aware that their feed is shaped by bots,” says Howard.