BREXIT - Britain votes to leave EU in historic divorce

  • metta

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    Jun 24, 2016 4:29 AM GMT
    CNN prediction: 'Leave' set to win historic EU referendum

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/europe/uk-eu-referendum/


    "Yet there was euphoria among Britain's eurosceptic forces, claiming a victory they styled as a protest against British political leaders, big business and foreign leaders including Barack Obama who had urged Britain to stay in the bloc."


    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-idUSKCN0Z902K
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    Jun 24, 2016 6:03 AM GMT
    LONDON VOTED TO REMAIN---for what it's worth

    And the victorious Leave side doesn't seem prepared for the next steps.

    The Leave side presented itself confidently, before the vote. Now, not so much!
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    Jun 24, 2016 6:20 AM GMT
    Holy crap, this is significant. What happens to the monarch? icon_eek.gif

    In comparison, would this be the equivalent of the US state of Texas seceding from the union?



    The 28 EU countries are:

    Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the UK.


    Pound plunges to 30-year low against dollar, yen surges as leave takes lead in Brexit poll count
    [url]http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/23/currencies-on-brexit-rollercoaster-pound-gyrates-with-early-results-trickle-in.html?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cheadline%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=103740498&yptr=yahoo[/url]


    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/british-pound-us-dollar-swing-brexit-eu-referendum-025253609.html

    The global financial markets swung wildly as the EU referendum votes were tallied and released.

    After the polls closed at 10 p.m. BST, or 5 p.m. ET, results started to trickle in reflecting a lead for the 'remain' vote. That is, British voters had voted to remain a member of the European Union. This has been the base-case scenario for most experts.

    World markets rallied with US stock market futures gaining and the British pound (GBP) surging to a six-month high against the US dollar (USD).

    Then the rally collapsed after the vote count from Sunderland was released. According to the count, just 51,930 voted to 'remain' and a whopping 82,000 voted to 'leave.' The vote to leave, or execute a "Brexit," was expected from this district by forecasters. But the margin was so stunningly wide that it raised doubts about the likelihood of the 'remain' vote winning.

    Markets tanked

    In the hours that followed, more and more votes were tallied and more and more of those votes confirmed that the 'leave' camp had much more support than forecasters and pollsters projected.

    And before you knew it, the British pound had tanked to a six-month low. It went from a high of $1.5018 all the way to $1.3777 within a few hours



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    Jun 24, 2016 7:05 AM GMT
    expect the country to change it's name to the Divided Kingdom of Little Britain and Northern Ireland. Scotland, of course, will now be a new country on it's own...
  • AMoonHawk

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    Jun 24, 2016 7:09 AM GMT
    Some people seem to be for this some and some people seem to be against it. I don't get it what's the big deal?
  • metta

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    Jun 24, 2016 7:35 AM GMT
    Brexit: UK Prime Minister David Cameron to step down, handover due October

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/23/opinion-poll-suggests-britain-favors-remaining-in-eu.html
  • musclpa

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    Jun 24, 2016 8:46 AM GMT
    Good for them to get away from Europe. Its a mess
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    Jun 24, 2016 1:54 PM GMT
    The whole of Britain right now is in a state of emotional flux. There are no guarantees of any security, and there's a distinct fear in the air.

    Worrying.
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    Jun 24, 2016 1:58 PM GMT
    ELNathB saidHoly crap, this is significant. What happens to the monarch? icon_eek.gif


    It's all very worrying for us, but Lizzie's safe. Even politicians know they can't touch her, and even if they tried it would take a 1789-esque bloody revolution for it to work. This is a different kind of worry. Sedate but serious.
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    Jun 24, 2016 2:27 PM GMT
    Being a British Citizen as well, I'm delighted that we voted to secede. Of course, the EU is in a state of mayhem now, seeing that Angela Merkel of Germany decided to be so welcoming to "refugees." Now, she's inserting her own foot into her arse.

    There are also the cases of countries spending like no one's business and needing to be bailed out: GREECE, and a couple of others. I believe that when you have a common economic system, and one member in that system chooses to be careless, everyone should not have to suffer.

    With that being said, I think coming out of the union isn't going to affect us too much. We still retained our currency and our UK border. Any person crossing into the UK from other areas of Europe except Republic of Ireland have to go through passport/immigration controls. What is going to be a factor is Britons working in other EU countries, and receiving/giving into a pension that increases as inflation takes place. The UK has never made that adjustment, so this will be a change. Also, our EHIC cards that enable free emergency care anywhere in the EU... Those terms will have to be re-negotiated with individual countries.

    I'm happy with our decision to not be part of the nonsense going on in the EU..

    Cheers,

    Sean
  • metta

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    Jun 24, 2016 4:18 PM GMT
    Scotland is not too happy


    https://www.facebook.com/theSNP/videos/10154369452494078/
  • training_guy

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    Jun 24, 2016 4:23 PM GMT
    If Scotland wish for independence, let them have it! Good luck to them!!!
    Am SO glad we voted to Leave, it's a wonderful result. I shudder to think what would have happened if we had stayed in and Turkey then joined!!!!
    I'm hoping we can toughen up border control and sort this immigration problem out once & for all.
  • metta

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    Jun 24, 2016 5:19 PM GMT
    Man Who Voted For Brexit Is 'A Bit Shocked' His Vote Counted, Is Now 'Worried'


    http://theslot.jezebel.com/man-who-voted-for-brexit-is-a-bit-shocked-his-vote-coun-1782553004?rev=1466775568865
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    Jun 24, 2016 5:44 PM GMT
    I stayed up until the early hours watching results come in. Coast to coast across the pond, these are strange days. I'm not quite sure what to make of it yet. I look forward to Mil8 chiming in.
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    Jun 24, 2016 5:56 PM GMT
    Brexit – Calls for referendums on Irish unity and Scottish independence

    http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/26155
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    Jun 24, 2016 5:58 PM GMT
    Sinn Fein calls for Irish unity poll as Brexit fallout begins

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-ireland-idUKKCN0ZA0NX
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    Jun 24, 2016 6:05 PM GMT
    We must respect the democratic vote, but I'm disappointed a majority of bigots and "little Englanders" won the day. The world is getting smaller and it is a bit silly to imagine we will be better off outside the EU. That said, we are the world's fifth biggest economy and we will doubtless survive the turmoil this vote has created. The irony is, the majority of those who voted for Brexit (or failed to vote Remain) will probably be dead by the time we have sorted out the political and bureaucratic minefield they have created today.

    HOW AGES VOTED
    (YouGov poll)
    18-24: 75% Remain
    25-49: 56% Remain
    50-64: 44% Remain
    65+: 39% Remain
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    Jun 24, 2016 7:06 PM GMT
    Interesting poll results that it was the older there who went for the populist move to isolate as here it is our ageing bigots supporting Drump whereas the younger went for Sanders.

    So what is this so-called populist movement--it's not popular with me--their last dying breath? The bigot's last stand as the collective consciousness deletes them from memory? What are they trying to do, as much damage as they can on their way out?

    I was listening late last night/early morning rather to interviews with the yougov guy (I guess its founder?). Economic crisis aside, cute guy!
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    Jun 24, 2016 7:21 PM GMT
    theantijock saidInteresting poll results that it was the older there who went for the populist move to isolate as here it is our ageing bigots supporting Drump whereas the younger went for Sanders.

    So what is this so-called populist movement--it's not popular with me--their last dying breath? The bigot's last stand as the collective consciousness deletes them from memory? What are they trying to do, as much damage as they can on their way out?

    I was listening late last night/early morning rather to interviews with the yougov guy (I guess its founder?). Economic crisis aside, cute guy!





    Yes, I found that strange too, the older voting age group block, voted to leave, the US equivalent of the baby boom gen, many republican, conservatives
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    Jun 24, 2016 7:36 PM GMT
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    theantijock saidInteresting poll results that it was the older there who went for the populist move to isolate as here it is our ageing bigots supporting Drump whereas the younger went for Sanders.

    So what is this so-called populist movement--it's not popular with me--their last dying breath? The bigot's last stand as the collective consciousness deletes them from memory? What are they trying to do, as much damage as they can on their way out?

    I was listening late last night/early morning rather to interviews with the yougov guy (I guess its founder?). Economic crisis aside, cute guy!


    Yes, I found that strange too, the older voting age group block, voted to leave, the US equivalent of the baby boom gen, many republican, conservatives
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    Only it's not just that it's the baby boom generation. We also brought in the 60s love peace Woodstock. I think it has more to do with bigotry than age. It just happens that the collective consciousness was more bigoted at an earlier time, as we baby boomers, especially the later-born of us were fighting to change the mindset that preceded us. But certainly there's plenty enough douchebag youths generating their own bigotry (ageism/anti-Semitism et al on RJ) for the younger today to worry about, more so than their existing elders whose bigotry is at this point a blip soon to fade.
  • metta

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    Jun 24, 2016 8:38 PM GMT
    Reasons vary...


    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153842562976939/
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    Jun 24, 2016 9:10 PM GMT

    I just asked this question above, its too long to post here but click on the link and read about "Texit" scenario, the similarites icon_lol.gif



    Brexit, explained by an analogy to Texas leaving the United States
    http://www.vox.com/2016/6/24/12023670/brexit-results-referendum-america

    In the wake of the UK’s "Brexit" vote to leave the European Union, thousands of people on social media began discussing "Texit": the idea that Texas might leave the United States. Obviously, this is not a serious movement — most of those tweets were jokes. But imagining a hypothetical Texit could be helpful for Americans confused by Brexit. Translating things into American terms might help make a decision that seems totally foreign more comprehensible.

    So what follows is a brief description of a hypothetical "Texit," if it were to happen the same way and for the same reasons that Brexit did. The point is not to sketch something that could actually happen, but to understand what just happened in the UK by literally describing the events in an American context.

    AUSTIN, Texas — Americans woke up in a state of complete shock on Friday morning, as Texas stunned the world by voting to leave the United States....................................................................
  • metta

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    Jun 24, 2016 9:28 PM GMT
    Cramer: Brexit fears are totally overblown


    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/22/cramer-brexit-fears-are-totally-overblown.html
  • Crisistunity

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    Jun 24, 2016 10:11 PM GMT
    My British family voted for Brexit, such a shame since starting next year there won't be any roaming charges to calls and texts within the European Union, which would have reduced tremendously the bills to communicate with our grandparents.

    I guess their vacations to Benidorm will have to be less long and less regular than the two months a year they are used to spend in Spanish territory.

    My cousins love the Spanish groceries they can buy anywhere now, but I guess that'll be over as well, since there'll be tariffs again to the biggest economic partner the UK has: the EU.

    I asked one of my cousins why he'd chosen to Leave, he said: «Too many immigrants, wherever you go you see a burka now, and so many Indians taking our jobs».

    So he's a racist and a xenophobe who doesn't think that perhaps there wouldn't be «so many Indians» if the British hadn't colonised their country in the first place! Nothing to do with the EU.

    Not to mention my cousins' mother, my auntie, is Cuban—an immigrant! And most of the burka-wearing-women and the Indian-looking-people have been born in the United Kingdom and are as British (or more!) than himself.

    Brexiters talk about being sovereign, as if now they'll start to walk the very halls of the Houses of Parliament.

    My auntie uses (used?) to come over to visit the doctors here, because the Spanish Health system works much better than the British one. That's going to end, she won't be allowed to have medical care not being a European citizen.

    Brexiters talk about the £350 million a week they are supposed to be spending to maintain the costs of the EU, biggest economic argument in favour of Brexit, because they could use it to fund the National Health System. Turns out its main defendant said today it «was a mistake».

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    Jun 24, 2016 11:24 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidWe must respect the democratic vote, but I'm disappointed a majority of bigots and "little Englanders" won the day. The world is getting smaller and it is a bit silly to imagine we will be better off outside the EU. That said, we are the world's fifth biggest economy and we will doubtless survive the turmoil this vote has created. The irony is, the majority of those who voted for Brexit (or failed to vote Remain) will probably be dead by the time we have sorted out the political and bureaucratic minefield they have created today.

    HOW AGES VOTED
    (YouGov poll)
    18-24: 75% Remain
    25-49: 56% Remain
    50-64: 44% Remain
    65+: 39% Remain


    Now, London wants out......so you'll be ok!!