FBI: We Have Found Zero Evidence The Orlando Killer Was Gay Or Ever Used Any Gay Dating Apps

  • AMoonHawk

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    Jun 24, 2016 5:46 AM GMT
    Well that's just sad and delusional if people are just making shit up for publicity. And I never bought into the guy with the mask saying he had, had sex with the terrorist several times. It seemed too much like a right wing or religious zealot plot to try to dirty the name of the gay people and throw people off of it being an islamic jihadist.

    http://www.joemygod.com/2016/06/23/fbi-we-have-no-evidence-orlando-killer-was-gay/
    "Several Pulse regulars have come forward in the days since the shooting, claiming to have seen Mateen at the club or to have been contacted by him on the gay dating apps Grindr, Jack’d and Adam4Adam.

    In seeking to verify the reports, federal agents have culled Mateen’s electronic devices, including a laptop computer and cellphone, as well as electronic communications of those who made the claims, law enforcement officials said.

    So far, they have found no photographs, no text messages, no smartphone apps, no gay pornography and no cell-tower location data to suggest that Mateen — who was twice married to women and had a young son — conducted a secret gay life, the officials said."
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    Jun 24, 2016 12:16 PM GMT
    Please recall it was the FBI that phucked up the San Bernardino Attacker’s iPhone so they could go on a multi million dollar legal rampage to get it unlocked. Initially they had total access to the iphone. There are several excellent free youtube videos on the iCloud.

    reference:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/technology/apple-and-fbi-face-off-before-house-judiciary-committee.html?_r=0
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    Jun 24, 2016 12:42 PM GMT
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3656095/Hotel-CCTV-captured-Orlando-massacre-gunman-s-hook-man-claims-met-Omar-Mateen-sex-20-times.html
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    Jun 24, 2016 2:18 PM GMT
    PhoenixNYC saidhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3656095/Hotel-CCTV-captured-Orlando-massacre-gunman-s-hook-man-claims-met-Omar-Mateen-sex-20-times.html

    I don't know how much faith I'd put in an item from the Daily Mail. Sorta like using Fox News as your information source. Still, if the staff at the Ambassador Hotel claim they recognize Mateen as a frequent guest, I would think the FBI should consider that, and Mateen's reasons for being there. They can't as easily dismiss the staff's IDing him like they have claims of spottings by the gay community, in order to bolster the terrorism narrative they created so quickly after the Pulse massacre, without much hard evidence at that point.

    Did the security firm for which Mateen worked send him to Orlando often? That's certainly plausible. What do their records show?

    As for the Parliament "bar" the Mail mentions, it's actually the Parliament House, a "resort" complex in Orlando for gay entertainment with a number of buildings on a small lake. It includes a modest stage theatre, a swimming pool, restaurant, day snack bar, dance floor, several drinking bars, and a 2-story motel (converted from an older 1950s-style straight motel, with outside room entrances). Somewhat like the Habana Inn in Oklahoma City, if you know it (another of my favorite grungy gay places when traveling).

    We've stayed at the Parliament House ourselves. A bit shabby until some work a few years ago, and Mateen could have had drinks and tricked there in a room if he really did go. Strictly gay, I can't imagine ANY straight going there, except for the dancing or drag shows. Alone without his wife? Of course Parliament House would have no record of him for an FBI investigation, unless he used his card at the bar instead of cash, and the other guy didn't have a room in his own name. That place gets packed with anonymous guys.

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    Jun 24, 2016 5:18 PM GMT
    Omar Mateen's Alleged Gay Sex Meetings WERE Captured On Hotel Security Tapes if you can believe perezhilton.com
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    http://perezhilton.com/2016-06-23-omar-mateen-orlando-shooter-gay-sex-rendezvous-ambassador-hotel-security-tapes-fbi-review-footage
  • Unnamed6

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    Jun 24, 2016 6:35 PM GMT
    The source for knowledge about the hotel's footage actually come from individuals TMZ have interviewed and have since been reported by the Daily Mail and Perez Hilton.
  • Unnamed6

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    Jun 24, 2016 6:41 PM GMT
    And it was Univision reporters again, and then the Daily Mail, that were willing to go through Mateen's home on Sunday afternoon after the shooting when they had found the door completely left open by the FBI. Combine this with how they left the San Bernardino shooting couples home open for reporters, and their bungling of the cellphone, with this incident at Mateen's home, we're living in the age of Idiocracy when it comes to the FBI.
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    Jun 24, 2016 8:03 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidWell that's just sad and delusional if people are just making shit up for publicity. And I never bought into the guy with the mask saying he had, had sex with the terrorist several times. It seemed too much like a right wing or religious zealot plot to try to dirty the name of the gay people and throw people off of it being an islamic jihadist.

    http://www.joemygod.com/2016/06/23/fbi-we-have-no-evidence-orlando-killer-was-gay/
    "Several Pulse regulars have come forward in the days since the shooting, claiming to have seen Mateen at the club or to have been contacted by him on the gay dating apps Grindr, Jack’d and Adam4Adam.

    In seeking to verify the reports, federal agents have culled Mateen’s electronic devices, including a laptop computer and cellphone, as well as electronic communications of those who made the claims, law enforcement officials said.

    So far, they have found no photographs, no text messages, no smartphone apps, no gay pornography and no cell-tower location data to suggest that Mateen — who was twice married to women and had a young son — conducted a secret gay life, the officials said."


    And the lack of evidence is not evidence. Despite over 500 interviews, the FBI has failed to interview eyewitnesses like Jim Van Horn and others. They have come out publicly but somehow the FBI has missed or avoided them. And it's easy to not have gay related apps, photographs or pornography if he's using a different laptop and cellphone before he went on his shooting rampage. I don't keep an eye on press conferences to possibly have any idea who might be running the case for the FBI, but I can't help feel that there's a level of incompetence by whoever is actually running the show. And reports of Orlando police shooting at Pulse victims (Norman Casiano almost got shot in the head) as they were trying to escape may mean that authorities want to intentionally bungle the investigation and misinform the public.

    The cellphone the FBI needs to have in their possession in order to find gay related activity by Mateen would be the one seen in these photos that ELNathB had posted some time ago and of which, I myself, had speculated them to be photos taken for Grindr (and speculating such well before the media had the idea he was gay and had been using gay hookup apps):
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    Seen again alongside Cord Cedeno on left who identified the picture on the right to be a photo of Mateen that he saw on Grindr: 6666660177267161563.PNG

    And while not featuring the phone, this picture has a good chance of being taken by that phone and being uploaded to Grindr:
    omar-mateen-11.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&
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    Jun 25, 2016 12:41 AM GMT
    KiteZX5 saidYou're wrong, there is no way a gay guy can ejaculate from fucking a woman and be 100% gay. A woman's vagina can't stimulate a gay man's penis to ejaculate.

    And you know this HOW?
  • bro4bro

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    Jun 25, 2016 12:50 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidIt seemed too much like a right wing or religious zealot plot to try to dirty the name of the gay people and throw people off of it being an islamic jihadist.


    Wait, wait... wouldn't it be the right wing and religious zealots who WANT everyone to believe he was an Islamic jihadist?

    AMoonHawk said
    "Several Pulse regulars have come forward in the days since the shooting, claiming to have seen Mateen at the club or to have been contacted by him on the gay dating apps Grindr, Jack’d and Adam4Adam.


    Well, of course they did. because...

    "They all look alike to me!"
  • FitBlackCuddl...

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    Jun 25, 2016 1:14 AM GMT
    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@
    KiteZX5 saidYou're wrong, there is no way a gay guy can ejaculate from fucking a woman and be 100% gay. A woman's vagina can't stimulate a gay man's penis to ejaculate.


    (shaking head, sitting and helpless with laughter) WHAT!?!?!
  • Unnamed6

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    Jun 25, 2016 1:55 AM GMT
    KiteZX5 saidYou're wrong, there is no way a gay guy can ejaculate from fucking a woman and be 100% gay. A woman's vagina can't stimulate a gay man's penis to ejaculate.


    A poster in this very thread has already been married and had two sons that are estranged from him.