Key West gun store owner offers to help arm LGBTQ community with AR-15s

  • JackNNJ

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    Jun 25, 2016 11:51 PM GMT
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/florida-keys/article85713117.html

    Like gun store owners across the nation, Dan Acevedo doesn’t have to advertise to sell AR-15 rifles in the wake of a mass shooting that stokes the national argument over gun control.

    The first business day after the Orlando club massacre that left 50 people dead on June 12, including the Florida-grown gunman Omar Mateen, and 53 injured, Acevedo made a special order for the rifle that has become synonymous with mass shootings from Newtown, Conn., to San Bernardino, Calif.

    By that Friday, he was sold out of the AR-15s that cost around $750 and Acevedo says gun sales are rising among locals who are gay, a claim that anecdotally is being made throughout the county.

    Acevedo, a Key West native and father of three who opened up Southernmost Guns Inc., on an unassuming corner of Stock Island, the scruffy suburb of the expensive tourist town, announced a special discount after the Orlando shootings — a first for him.

    For LGBTQs, Acevedo posted photos of his stock and trade on Facebook, with a message of solidarity along with a promise to discount the price of concealed carry classes, which run about $85.

    “I want to give back,” said Acevedo, 37, who along with his employees last Friday was exhausted after a day of fielding phone calls and customers.

    Acevedo had 30 AR-15s in the back, he said, but they were all spoken for and awaiting final payments or background check results.

    Talk of gun control always spurs on sales, gun sellers know, but whether LGBTQ people are locking and loading post-Orlando remains debatable.

    “I don’t know any friends who rushed out to get a concealed carry permit,” said Steve Smith of Key West, who is one of the locals entrusted with a section of the famous giant rainbow flag unfurled at the annual Pride parade. “You can’t carry a gun into a bar.”

    Smith says he has thought about getting a gun, but hasn’t followed through.

    “It does give you thought,” Smith said of the Orlando club massacre in which Mateen used a rifle very similar to the AR-15. “We really are vulnerable and a lot of people don’t understand us.”

    From Sunday through Tuesday after the June 12 shooting, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement ran more than 9,800 background checks for gun sales, more than double than the same three-day span a year before, when there were just under 4,500 checks run.

    Don’t call the AR-15, a rifle modeled after the military’s M-16 and coveted in America by collectors and target shooters, an assault rifle in front of the four people left in the gun store last Friday evening.

    “If I throw this stapler at your head, is it an assault stapler,” said Emily Austin, a Marine stationed in Key West.

    The AR-15 fires fire one round for every trigger pull, while assault rifles fire while the trigger is held down and are severely restricted in the U.S.

    “It’s my go-to gun,” Acevedo said, if his family is ever threatened.

    Material from the Associated Press was used for this report.

    Gwen Filosa: @KeyWestGwen on Twitter

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  • badbug

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    Jun 26, 2016 1:36 AM GMT

    Right. And if the next terror attack is poison gas, should we all run out and buy poison gas? And then make sure to have our poison gas on us at "da club".

    Meanwhile, 12,000 americans are gunned down because half the country wants to pretend they are G.I. Joe. #grow up #ifyouwerethereyouwouldntbewalkingaroundwithamachinegun #crossfire?

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    Jun 26, 2016 1:09 PM GMT
    badbug said
    Right. And if the next terror attack is poison gas, should we all run out and buy poison gas? And then make sure to have our poison gas on us at "da club".

    Meanwhile, 12,000 americans are gunned down because half the country wants to pretend they are G.I. Joe. #grow up #ifyouwerethereyouwouldntbewalkingaroundwithamachinegun #crossfire?


    How many terrorists went to Home Depot and made fertilizer car bombs after Mcveigh in Oklahoma City?
    How many terrorists went to Walmart and made pressure cooker bombs after the Boston Marathon?
    How about the underwear, shoe and laser print cartridge bombers?

    Did the US outlaw fertilizer, pressure cookers, underwear, shoes and print cartridges?
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    Jun 26, 2016 4:09 PM GMT
    They are something wrong in this country .....icon_eek.gificon_eek.gif
    Why everyone wants to buy a gun , even worse an automatic weapon !
    If you want to shoot people so bad , enroll in the military and go fight in the Middle East for your country .
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    Jun 26, 2016 10:26 PM GMT
    mx5guynj said
    How many terrorists went to Home Depot and made fertilizer car bombs after Mcveigh in Oklahoma City?
    How many terrorists went to Walmart and made pressure cooker bombs after the Boston Marathon?
    How about the underwear, shoe and laser print cartridge bombers?

    Did the US outlaw fertilizer, pressure cookers, underwear, shoes and print cartridges?

    That has to be one of the more asinine arguments presented here yet. BTW, you forgot to mention kitchen carving knives.

    And also, large purchases of certain chemicals, including fertilizers like ammonium nitrate, are indeed regulated and tracked. Have been since the Bush Administration. And many States regulate formerly over-the-counter medications that can be used to make drugs like meth.
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    Jun 26, 2016 10:40 PM GMT
    That has to be one of the more asinine arguments presented here yet


    Did you miss the one above it. "8,500 people died, not 12,000". Like ok then, i was wrong. 8,500 people isn't shit. As long as it stays below 12,000, who cares?


    But yes, i believe print cartridges and slow-cookers only kill around 4,000 people a year. So we're fine there, no need to ban those yet. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 27, 2016 12:23 AM GMT
    badbug saidThat has to be one of the more asinine arguments presented here yet


    Did you miss the one above it. "8,500 people died, not 12,000". Like ok then, i was wrong. 8,500 people isn't shit. As long as it stays below 12,000, who cares?

    Some of the figures for gun deaths vary because there is the total number "killed" by firearms, including suicides and accidental shootings, and the tally for those willfully murdered by some other party. It's necessary to know what kinds of deaths by firearms are being reported.
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    Jun 27, 2016 12:39 AM GMT
    Some of the figures for gun deaths vary because there is the total number "killed" by firearms, including suicides and accidental shootings, and the tally for those willfully murdered by some other party. It's necessary to know what kinds of deaths by firearms are being reported


    Suicides should be considered. It's much easier to pick up a gun and shoot yourself, then it is to walk somewhere and jump off a bridge or to swallow a bunch of pills and wait.

    The ease of suicide a gun provides, should be conisdered when debating the merits of having them or not. (i am fine with having guns, but we shouldn't gloss over any aspect of them)


    Besides, as i stated, once you get up into the many thousands of deaths, is it really worth arguing about maybe some of those deaths are from something else? Does the difference between 6,000 deaths and 10,000 deaths actually matter at all when debating the philosophical and logistical merit of an idea?
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    Jun 27, 2016 12:58 AM GMT
    The idea of dozens of gay guys whipping out their AR-15's the minute some yahoo yells "Isis great" is almost cartoonish.

    ...especially if said guy continues with "..with my soda, thanks."

    Seriously, though, it's kinda hard to spot the terrorist when everyone's walking around packing. What a crazy world we live in.
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    Jun 27, 2016 7:23 AM GMT
    Talk about adding fuel to fire. We should strive to find peaceful solutions to stressful situations. We cannot fight fire, with fire. This cannot be a case of 'You slap me, I punch your nose'. Selling more assault rifles is just so wrong. What if one of these Gay persons who buy this AR15, has an altercation with someone in a Club? What will he/she do, whip out the concealed weapon and take the person out. If there were better security measures put in place at the door's of Club's, these things need not happen.
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    Dynamo_spark saidTalk about adding fuel to fire. We should strive to find peaceful solutions to stressful situations. We cannot fight fire, with fire. This cannot be a case of 'You slap me, I punch your nose'. Selling more assault rifles is just so wrong. What if one of these Gay persons who buy this AR15, has an altercation with someone in a Club? What will he/she do, whip out the concealed weapon and take the person out. If there were better security measures put in place at the door's of Club's, these things need not happen.


    An AR-15 isn't exactly concealable especially in the clothing that's worn at dance clubs. Even a small handgun is difficult to conceal if you're shirtless and in a tight pair of jeans.

    There's no peaceable solution to a mass shooting. Ultimately, lethal force has to be met with lethal force. And usually it's the good guys with guns that resolve the situation.
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    Jun 27, 2016 3:28 PM GMT
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    Dynamo_spark saidTalk about adding fuel to fire. We should strive to find peaceful solutions to stressful situations. We cannot fight fire, with fire. This cannot be a case of 'You slap me, I punch your nose'. Selling more assault rifles is just so wrong. What if one of these Gay persons who buy this AR15, has an altercation with someone in a Club? What will he/she do, whip out the concealed weapon and take the person out. If there were better security measures put in place at the door's of Club's, these things need not happen.


    An AR-15 isn't exactly concealable especially in the clothing that's worn at dance clubs. Even a small handgun is difficult to conceal if you're shirtless and in a tight pair of jeans.

    There's no peaceable solution to a mass shooting. Ultimately, lethal force has to be met with lethal force. And usually it's the good guys with guns that resolve the situation.


    Imagine that scenario : Night club , 80% of the patrons have a weapon ( that they know or not know how to use ) , a crazy guy comes in with his gun and starts to shoot , every patrons who are armed start to shoot in the crowd to kill the crazy guy , how many patrons are going to be killed in the cross fire ?
    Quite a lot , i would guess .
    So is carrying a gun the solution ? , or you carrying a weapon makes you feel powerful because you haven't been blessed in the dick department ?
    Guns are the not the answer , violence never has been the answer , everyone should start to cool down with this crazy notion , and shame to the NRA and his supporters ...
    Gun should be only allowed to , hunters , law enforcement , money carrier , guards ...
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    Jun 27, 2016 5:50 PM GMT
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    rkyjockdn said
    Dynamo_spark saidTalk about adding fuel to fire. We should strive to find peaceful solutions to stressful situations. We cannot fight fire, with fire. This cannot be a case of 'You slap me, I punch your nose'. Selling more assault rifles is just so wrong. What if one of these Gay persons who buy this AR15, has an altercation with someone in a Club? What will he/she do, whip out the concealed weapon and take the person out. If there were better security measures put in place at the door's of Club's, these things need not happen.


    An AR-15 isn't exactly concealable especially in the clothing that's worn at dance clubs. Even a small handgun is difficult to conceal if you're shirtless and in a tight pair of jeans.

    There's no peaceable solution to a mass shooting. Ultimately, lethal force has to be met with lethal force. And usually it's the good guys with guns that resolve the situation.


    Imagine that scenario : Night club , 80% of the patrons have a weapon ( that they know or not know how to use ) , a crazy guy comes in with his gun and starts to shoot , every patrons who are armed start to shoot in the crowd to kill the crazy guy , how many patrons are going to be killed in the cross fire ?
    Quite a lot , i would guess .
    So is carrying a gun the solution ? , or you carrying a weapon makes you feel powerful because you haven't been blessed in the dick department ?
    Guns are the not the answer , violence never has been the answer , everyone should start to cool down with this crazy notion , and shame to the NRA and his supporters ...
    Gun should be only allowed to , hunters , law enforcement , money carrier , guards ...


    Seems that you're reading a lot into my comment that I didn't write...

    In the Orlando instance, the good guys with the guns were the cops. Concealed carry is prohibited in Florida bars (ditto in most other states). Some such as Colorado permit it, but only if you don't drink or are not legally impaired. So far, the Colorado rules have worked -- licensed individuals haven't been abusing the law. The crossfire situation you imagine has never occurred.

    The shooter was a licensed armed security guard. He was one of the guys you'd have trusted with a gun.
  • badbug

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    Jun 27, 2016 11:26 PM GMT

    with my soda

    LOL