Why is the Christian Right so pro Trump?

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    Jun 27, 2016 6:08 PM GMT
    http://www.inquisitr.com/3243656/james-dobson-vouches-for-donald-trumps-born-again-credentials/
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    Jun 27, 2016 6:11 PM GMT
    Seems odd that America's Best Christians, including Dobson and Falwell, have been so eager to support Trump.

    What do you think they like about Trump?
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    Jun 27, 2016 6:17 PM GMT
    Kickstartering saidSeems odd that America's Best Christians, including Dobson and Falwell, have been so eager to support Trump.

    What do you think they like about Trump?

    Money. Power. Fame (for themselves). Access to the White House. These guys are all whores completely lacking in any shred of decency. And their followers are just like any other cult, sheep. Stupid. Totally lacking in any true conviction or sense of moral conviction that hasn't been put there by these money grubbers.
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    Jun 27, 2016 6:39 PM GMT
    Misogyny
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    Jun 27, 2016 6:48 PM GMT
    Because Trump is an asshole and birds of a feather flock together?

    Rather simplistic, I know. I just put it into language y'all Trump lovers can understand.

    You're welcome.
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    Jun 27, 2016 7:08 PM GMT
    Because they're hypocrites like trump.
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    Jun 27, 2016 9:26 PM GMT
    Not sure why the Christians would like somebody like Trump. Trump has said he never asked for "forgiveness". That's a fundamental thing in most Christian beliefs. Maybe they are willing to forgive him because of?
    What about the jihadist Muslims?
    Are they pro Trump Too? Other muslims sects?


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    Jun 27, 2016 10:20 PM GMT
    http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trumps-bid-to-become-born-again-fails-as-jesus-turns-down-friend-requestTrump’s Bid to Become Born-Again Fails as Jesus Turns Down Friend Request

    NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report)—The billionaire Donald J. Trump’s bid to become a born-again Christian failed over the weekend after Jesus Christ turned down his friend request, campaign officials have acknowledged.

    Jesus, who has not generally been active on Facebook, made a rare appearance on the social network on Monday to announce His decision to ignore the presumptive Republican nominee’s request for a personal relationship with Him.

    In a brief post, Jesus offered the following explanation: “Just everything.”

    The turndown from Jesus Christ, the inspiration behind one of the world’s most prominent religions, caps what has been a tough month for the Trump campaign.

    Privately, campaign staffers fretted that the candidate would pen a disparaging tweet about Jesus, which might alienate evangelical voters in key battleground states.

    But, at a rally in Pennsylvania, Trump made no reference to Jesus, and instead touted endorsements he had received from Gary Busey, Jean-Claude Van Damme, and Joe (the Plumber) Wurzelbacher.
  • badbug

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    Jun 27, 2016 11:52 PM GMT

    They've been conditioned and conditioning their followers for years to see the other Party as immoral. At the same time, they've been frustrated with how little they get in return for their unwaivering support of the Right. Without the religious insanity, the Right would be just the rich white people's party.

    So one one hand, they can't really support a Democrat because not supporting Democrats is a large part of their identity. That's why it's called identity politics, i think we all know a few posters around here who seem less human and more some weird breed of political activist.
    But they are just as unsatisfied with the state of goverment as anyone else, so see Trump as some (deeply misguided) path to positive change. They're sick of losing the culture war, much like their counterparts in the east, ISIS, the Taliban.


    Their leaders of course are mostly corrupt. And like people are saying, they're a bunch of stupid sheet. Well you would have to be wouldn't you? To a) be overly religious in 2016 b) to not see Donald Trump for what he is c) to not see how you're being used by whatever religious affiliation you have


    So beyond their stupidity, like everyone else they are annoyed with the political system.

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    Jun 28, 2016 3:03 AM GMT
    Um... are we reading the same article? The title and very first 2 sentences say... "Evangelical Leaders Plan Meeting to Test Donald Trump’s Values... A step that could lead to an eventual embrace of the presumptive Republican nominee. Top evangelical and social conservative leaders are planning a private meeting with Donald Trump to see if they will be able to address longstanding concern about his candidacy."

    This doesn't sound like they are "so pro Trump". At all. Most of the article seems to address the opposite.
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    Jun 28, 2016 4:49 AM GMT
    Perhaps the Evangelical Christians should go crusade in London and snap these fine people into gear!!

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    Jun 28, 2016 6:15 AM GMT
    Trump doesn't ask god for forgiveness. I'm pretty sure that means he doesn't understand the first fucking thing about Christianity.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/
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    Jun 28, 2016 7:19 AM GMT
    JackTX saidTrump doesn't ask god for forgiveness. I'm pretty sure that means he doesn't understand the first fucking thing about Christianity.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/


    TRUMP ADMITTED THIS FROM THE BEGINNING OF HIS CAMPAIGN and yet evangelical voters eagerly supported him.
    WHY?

    Trump was strongly anti-gay or anti-abortion either. Still evangelicals chose him over Cruz.

    IMHO, it was because Trump upheld their true core value, a very nasty racial bigotry.
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    Jun 28, 2016 3:05 PM GMT
    I don't put "Evangelicals" and "Christians" in the same category based on their behavior. The former *call* themselves Christians for the sake of sounding pious, but are more interested in defeating Democrats at all costs. As for the latter, there are a number of Christian leaders, who actually seem to walk-the-walk, who've publicly announced that they can never support the views of a candidate like The Donald. Then you've got a whole 'nother group who'll vote for Trump, but begrudgingly, because they're single issue voters (i.e.: abortion).
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    Jun 28, 2016 3:22 PM GMT
    Kickstartering said
    Trump was strongly anti-gay or anti-abortion either. Still evangelicals chose him over Cruz.


    Trump is not "strongly anti-gay". He's not anti-gay at all. Probably one of the more supportive GOP candidates of LGBT causes EVER...and he was doing that long before he ever ran for POTUS
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    Jun 28, 2016 3:41 PM GMT
    U_K_Y saidI don't put "Evangelicals" and "Christians" in the same category based on their behavior. The former *call* themselves Christians for the sake of sounding pious, but are more interested in defeating Democrats at all costs. As for the latter, there are a number of Christian leaders, who actually seem to walk-the-walk, who've publicly announced that they can never support the views of a candidate like The Donald. Then you've got a whole 'nother group who'll vote for Trump, but begrudgingly, because they're single issue voters (i.e.: abortion).


    Good point. I would add that there is even more complexity to this as there are A LOT of democrats who are devoutly Christian AND Evangelical too, especially blacks and hispanics. White Evangelicals tend to vote along party lines but hispanics and blacks will split with their party on issues such as abortion rights, marriage definition and freedom of religion. There is even a major difference between White Southern Evangelical Christians and other white Evangelicals when it comes to gun laws.
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    Jun 28, 2016 4:38 PM GMT
    Above I meant to write that Trump was NOT strongly anti gay or opposed to abortion.
    And yet evangelicals supported him over candidates like Cruz who espouse the typical evangelical positions.

    So what did Trump give them instead?
    My guess is that Trump won them over with his bigotry.
    They couldn't resist.
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    Jun 28, 2016 4:40 PM GMT
    Destinharbor said
    Kickstartering saidSeems odd that America's Best Christians, including Dobson and Falwell, have been so eager to support Trump.

    What do you think they like about Trump?

    Money. Power. Fame (for themselves). Access to the White House. These guys are all whores completely lacking in any shred of decency. And their followers are just like any other cult, sheep. Stupid. Totally lacking in any true conviction or sense of moral conviction that hasn't been put there by these money grubbers.


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    Jun 28, 2016 7:01 PM GMT
    tazzari said
    Destinharbor said
    Kickstartering saidSeems odd that America's Best Christians, including Dobson and Falwell, have been so eager to support Trump.

    What do you think they like about Trump?

    Money. Power. Fame (for themselves). Access to the White House. These guys are all whores completely lacking in any shred of decency. And their followers are just like any other cult, sheep. Stupid. Totally lacking in any true conviction or sense of moral conviction that hasn't been put there by these money grubbers.


    +1
    That sounds exactly like Hillary Clinton supporters.icon_smile.gif
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    Jun 29, 2016 5:19 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Kickstartering said
    Trump was strongly anti-gay or anti-abortion either. Still evangelicals chose him over Cruz.


    Trump is not "strongly anti-gay". He's not anti-gay at all. Probably one of the more supportive GOP candidates of LGBT causes EVER...and he was doing that long before he ever ran for POTUS


    Indeed, he's as supportive as any GOP candidate can be. Which is to say: Not Very Fucking Supportive.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-tashman/donald-trump-cozies-up-to_b_10377170.html?utm_hp_ref=queer-voices
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    Jun 29, 2016 12:49 PM GMT
    JackTX said
    Indeed, he's as supportive as any GOP candidate can be. Which is to say: Not Very Fucking Supportive.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-tashman/donald-trump-cozies-up-to_b_10377170.html?utm_hp_ref=queer-voices


    Trump meeting with evangelical wing of the party doesn't mean he endorses their opinions on everything. He can't exactly ignore that wing of the party either. Change can come from within under the right leadership.
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    Jun 30, 2016 8:02 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    JackTX said
    Indeed, he's as supportive as any GOP candidate can be. Which is to say: Not Very Fucking Supportive.


    Trump meeting with evangelical wing of the party doesn't mean he endorses their opinions on everything. He can't exactly ignore that wing of the party either. Change can come from within under the right leadership.


    Trump doesn't lead. He bullies and tells people what to do. Otherwise you're fucking fired.

    Sure, maybe he can get the GOP to stop being complete assholes to us, but then again he's not really one of Them. Joe Schmo, Republican state legislator in any given red state, won't care what a President Trump says because he has to answer to his Limbaugh-listening base back home. And a GOP-controlled Congress isn't going to just rubber stamp all of his agendas if they fly in the face of what they've been trying to do for decades. Perhaps this is where he cuts deals and throws people like us under the bus to get what he wants for his "legacy."

    Trump on gay marriage decision:I wish that it was done by the state. I don't like the way they ruled. I disagree with the Supreme Court from the standpoint they should have given the state — it should be a states' rights issue. … This is a very surprising ruling. And I — I can see changes coming down the line, frankly. But I would have much preferred that they ruled at a state level and allowed the states to make those rulings themselves. … If I’m elected I would be very strong in putting certain judges on the bench that maybe could change thing, but they have a long way to go.


    He still doesn't believe we're entitled to 1 legal family even though he's had 3 (unless you're lucky enough that your state permitted it). You may not care about that issue but it's one of respect.
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    Jun 30, 2016 10:19 AM GMT
    "Change can come from within under the right leadership."

    Trump IS NOT going to lead timid little gay Republicans to the promised land of Equality & Respect.

    Good News: The rest of us already got there by not waiting around for gay Republicans to catch up.

    Trump and his supporters are wasting our time.
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    Jun 30, 2016 2:23 PM GMT
    Kickstartering said
    Good News: The rest of us already got there by not waiting around for gay Republicans to catch up.

    Trump and his supporters are wasting our time.

    Sometimes I wish gay Republicans couldn't benefit from the gay civil rights advances that others have won, despite Republican opposition. No same-sex marriage for them, no adoption rights, no protections from job & employment termination (although not enacted everywhere yet), etc, etc. But gay Republicans get to reap the benefits that others fought & worked for. Gee... profiting from the labor of others while not doing much or risking anything themselves - that sounds so typically Republican. icon_razz.gif