My new Truck?

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    Jun 29, 2016 3:11 AM GMT
    What do you think I should get?
    This one?
    Or??

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    Jun 29, 2016 4:56 AM GMT
    I drove the same Toyota for 24 years. I really don't know any other make with that level of quality. The reasons that I finally gave up on it was that their 90's trucks were still sized for small people. Constant elbow-wars with any passenger, no adult human could fit in the back seat, and the pedals were so small I had to drive in bare feet. I hear they've gotten larger since then.

    That said, why do you need a truck? These pick-ups that are all cab with a tiny vestigial bed are sort of ridiculous. If you really need to haul cargo every day, get a working truck with a real bed. If you need to haul something or tow a boat once a month, an SUV with a trailer hitch is a better value. I had a 5x10 3000 lb trailer that I could hook up to my 4-runner and out-haul any pick-up ever made. I still use it with my Wrangler. Although the towing capacity of the Wrangler sucks, so I'm adding a brake package to the trailer, which happens to have the right axle for one.
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    Jun 29, 2016 5:07 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidI drove the same Toyota for 24 years. I really don't know any other make with that level of quality.


    I love Toyota quality. I had one and then I had a Honda. Honda cars are great also in terms of reliability.
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    Jun 29, 2016 12:09 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidI drove the same Toyota for 24 years. I really don't know any other make with that level of quality. The reasons that I finally gave up on it was that their 90's trucks were still sized for small people. Constant elbow-wars with any passenger, no adult human could fit in the back seat, and the pedals were so small I had to drive in bare feet. I hear they've gotten larger since then.

    That said, why do you need a truck? These pick-ups that are all cab with a tiny vestigial bed are sort of ridiculous. If you really need to haul cargo every day, get a working truck with a real bed. If you need to haul something or tow a boat once a month, an SUV with a trailer hitch is a better value. I had a 5x10 3000 lb trailer that I could hook up to my 4-runner and out-haul any pick-up ever made. I still use it with my Wrangler. Although the towing capacity of the Wrangler sucks, so I'm adding a brake package to the trailer, which happens to have the right axle for one.

    US pickups have been stronger, with more heavy towing capacity, than the first generations of Japanese trucks. Fords & Chevys comprise the majority of commercial & governmental fleets, as well as use by private contractors. Whether the Japanese will be able to successfully grow into this more rugged US work market remains to be seen. I can't recall any Japanese trucks with conversions for vehicle recovery & towing, with stake beds, side utility boxes for electrical & plumbing companies, etc.

    I've towed for many years (RV camper & boats), and a number of States require brakes on 3000-pound and greater trailers. And what's the wheelbase on your Wrangler? A longer wheelbase helps to stabilize lateral towing oscillations, whereas a short wheelbase tends to get "wagged" more easily by the trailer, especially in crosswinds.
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    Jun 29, 2016 12:56 PM GMT
    2BFree saidWhat do you think I should get?
    This one?
    Or??

    2016_toyota_tacoma_angularfront.jpg



    I have a GMC Sierra now and I love it. Had 3 Ford F-150's over the years, loved all of those too. Never had a Toyota but I know they make a good truck
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    Jun 29, 2016 4:04 PM GMT
    Toyota definitely has a excellent reliability for their Utes or Suv's , and the company deserves it .
    Are they the best in matter of engine performance , on-road and off-road driving , comfort , i do not think they are , but their balance in all those criteria and their reliability make buying a utility vehicle from Toyota an excellent choice .
    I myself own a 1999 Toyota Land Cruiser series 105 with a 6cyl turbo-diesel ( Series 105's were never sold in the U.S , only made for here in Australia and Africa , )
    i use it to tow my 3tons off-road caravan , she has been an example of reliability , considering how rugged and destructive our bush trails are , but she also is noisy , rides quite harshly on-road , and had no electronic gimmicks , which one way is a good thing .. icon_smile.gif
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    Jun 29, 2016 5:05 PM GMT
    Depends on what you want a truck for - how big? how heavy the loads? 4WD?

    For hauling stuff, I would get a Ford Ranger (4WD, if necessary), or for big loads, a F-150 (aluminum body)

    American trucks get much worse gas mileage than Japanese (Toyota), but are much sturdier, and better built.
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    Jun 29, 2016 7:55 PM GMT
    Hey guys thanks for your imput. I am looking at a few options. What about a Dodge Ram? I 've never owned a Dodge.

    A GMC sounds good, but I am concerned about the reliability?

    The Cabin in the back makes good for friends, family and associates. If I haul anything it would be off road-dirt 3 wheelers, nothing major. I can also cover the back with a hard shell-lid and then I could but equipment and things so nothing would be out in the elements. I can also use it to put my bikes in.

    Oddly, I love MINI VANS super comfortable/luxurious, but then I am not a soccer mom......lol
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    Jun 29, 2016 8:07 PM GMT
    HikerSkier saidDepends on what you want a truck for - how big? how heavy the loads? 4WD?

    For hauling stuff, I would get a Ford Ranger (4WD, if necessary), or for big loads, a F-150 (aluminum body)

    American trucks get much worse gas mileage than Japanese (Toyota), but are much sturdier, and better built.


    WRONG!

    "Roaring through the six gears of its automatic transmission, the 5894-pound Toyota made it to 60 mph in 6.7 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 15.3 seconds at 92 mph. That’s ahead of the even heavier Ram, but well behind the lighter Ford and Chevy. The Tundra’s combination of prodigious weight and short highway gearing resulted in a worst-in-test 14-mpg observed fuel economy. "

    Toy was last, F150 was 1st place. There's a reason Ford trucks have been #1 for decades.

    http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2014-toyota-tundra-platinum-4x4-crewmax-page-2


    Not only that the F150 Ecoboost V6 beats the smaller Tacoma V6. The MPGs are the same but HP and torque in the Ford are much more. The base 3.5 V6 Ford (normal aspiration) gets better MPGs than the Toy. More HP, but a little less torque.

    Toyotas are so over rated. In the 80s/early 90s they were good. But other manufacturers have improved. Toyota has declined relatively. Massive recalls, the accelerator pedal issue, structural design flaws in the trucks (flexing), oil sludge, etc. etc. Consumer Report no longer giving Toyota automatic recommendation (as if they ever should!).

    What Really Happened to Toyota?
    http://sloanreview.mit.edu/article/what-really-happened-to-toyota/
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    Jun 29, 2016 8:18 PM GMT
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    HikerSkier saidDepends on what you want a truck for - how big? how heavy the loads? 4WD?

    For hauling stuff, I would get a Ford Ranger (4WD, if necessary), or for big loads, a F-150 (aluminum body)

    American trucks get much worse gas mileage than Japanese (Toyota), but are much sturdier, and better built.


    WRONG!

    "Roaring through the six gears of its automatic transmission, the 5894-pound Toyota made it to 60 mph in 6.7 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 15.3 seconds at 92 mph. That’s ahead of the even heavier Ram, but well behind the lighter Ford and Chevy. The Tundra’s combination of prodigious weight and short highway gearing resulted in a worst-in-test 14-mpg observed fuel economy. "

    Toy was last, F150 was 1st place. There's a reason Ford trucks have been #1 for decades.

    http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2014-toyota-tundra-platinum-4x4-crewmax-page-2


    I saw a ford on the road today and it looked great. I might check them out.
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    Jun 30, 2016 3:46 PM GMT
    TIMinPS said
    HikerSkier saidDepends on what you want a truck for - how big? how heavy the loads? 4WD?

    For hauling stuff, I would get a Ford Ranger (4WD, if necessary), or for big loads, a F-150 (aluminum body)

    American trucks get much worse gas mileage than Japanese (Toyota), but are much sturdier, and better built.


    WRONG!

    "Roaring through the six gears of its automatic transmission, the 5894-pound Toyota made it to 60 mph in 6.7 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 15.3 seconds at 92 mph. That’s ahead of the even heavier Ram, but well behind the lighter Ford and Chevy. The Tundra’s combination of prodigious weight and short highway gearing resulted in a worst-in-test 14-mpg observed fuel economy. "

    Toy was last, F150 was 1st place. There's a reason Ford trucks have been #1 for decades.

    http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2014-toyota-tundra-platinum-4x4-crewmax-page-2


    Not only that the F150 Ecoboost V6 beats the smaller Tacoma V6. The MPGs are the same but HP and torque in the Ford are much more. The base 3.5 V6 Ford (normal aspiration) gets better MPGs than the Toy. More HP, but a little less torque.

    Toyotas are so over rated. In the 80s/early 90s they were good. But other manufacturers have improved. Toyota has declined relatively. Massive recalls, the accelerator pedal issue, structural design flaws in the trucks (flexing), oil sludge, etc. etc. Consumer Report no longer giving Toyota automatic recommendation (as if they ever should!).

    What Really Happened to Toyota?
    http://sloanreview.mit.edu/article/what-really-happened-to-toyota/



    Toyota here in Australia has an excellent reputation of reliability , as it has in Africa as well ..
    As i mention earlier on the same thread , i do not think that Toyota has the best products when it comes to design , comfort , innovation , performance , economy , but we cannot denied their reliability ..
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    Jun 30, 2016 4:23 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidI drove the same Toyota for 24 years...
    Toyota's quality has declined since the mid 1980's pickups. Right now and in the US; people seem to consider Toyota just another daily driver. Once upon a time I owned a 1985 solid front axle 4x4 and feel the newer 1999 unit i have now is:
    -on medium freeway ice there is no warning when it totally looses traction and the back end wants to rotate
    -Denver never plows their narrow city streets and the unit will push a lot of snow at slower speeds
    -the brakes are ineffective prone to require maintenance
    -VERY difficult to work on
    -the V6 is VERY reliable but lacks acceleration, cant trailer that much weight, will always start up
    -the service manual is English as a 2nd language poorly written
    -a needed upgrade is stiffen up the suspension and add rear helper springs

    i drive the 99 Tacoma in around the city. This truck is compromise; the newest used truck with a limited size. Even so it is a bitch to parallel park when you have to be in&out fast. More modern trucks are all bloated out.

    for a trailer:
    electric adjustable trailer brakes are totally essential what ever you do
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    Jun 30, 2016 11:24 PM GMT
    my partner likes his 2001 sport track. still no rust on it.
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    Jul 01, 2016 6:36 PM GMT
    I have 2 friends who F150 Raptors......they are SICK trucks! One is show room clean, the other always looks like it just came off the Baja 500.

    Another friend has a King Ranch Diesel (he has horses). It's gorgeous, but HUGE.

    Just to add, Ford hasn't replaced the Ranger (yet) because the gas mileage of the F150 is better than the little truck. But size does matter, and a smaller truck is needed.
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    Jul 02, 2016 9:23 AM GMT
    Ford - The only truck I'd get is the Raptor. The regular F-150 is pretty meh.
    Chevy/GMC - I love the new Silverado/Sierra. But wow.. it's huge! I couldn't drive that around the city to hard to park and maneuver. Same for the Ford, actually.
    Dodge - No. Trust me. Just don't.

    I was shopping for a new Tacoma earlier this year. Double-cab, 4WD. I decided not to because 99% of the double-cab models are made in Mexico. Pass. The US built models are ok from what I can tell. But I would say quality has gone down somewhat over the years, ever since they closed the NUMMI plant in California. Kind of a shame more auto makers are moving assembly lines down south.
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    Jul 02, 2016 3:24 PM GMT
    xrichx saidFord - The only truck I'd get is the Raptor. The regular F-150 is pretty meh.
    Chevy/GMC - I love the new Silverado/Sierra. But wow.. it's huge! I couldn't drive that around the city to hard to park and maneuver. Same for the Ford, actually.
    Dodge - No. Trust me. Just don't.

    I was shopping for a new Tacoma earlier this year. Double-cab, 4WD. I decided not to because 99% of the double-cab models are made in Mexico. Pass. The US built models are ok from what I can tell. But I would say quality has gone down somewhat over the years, ever since they closed the NUMMI plant in California. Kind of a shame more auto makers are moving assembly lines down south.



    *You should take a look at the Chevrolet Colorado which is essentially the same as the Holden colorado we have here in Australia , choose the turbo-diesel version , it is the most economical .
    Ford is also going to sell in the U.S , the Ranger we have here , both midsize trucks are pretty similar in size or configuration , 3 mates of mine bought a Colorado last year , and the 3 of them swear by it ..
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    Jul 02, 2016 10:57 PM GMT
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    xrichx saidFord - The only truck I'd get is the Raptor. The regular F-150 is pretty meh.
    Chevy/GMC - I love the new Silverado/Sierra. But wow.. it's huge! I couldn't drive that around the city to hard to park and maneuver. Same for the Ford, actually.
    Dodge - No. Trust me. Just don't.

    I was shopping for a new Tacoma earlier this year. Double-cab, 4WD. I decided not to because 99% of the double-cab models are made in Mexico. Pass. The US built models are ok from what I can tell. But I would say quality has gone down somewhat over the years, ever since they closed the NUMMI plant in California. Kind of a shame more auto makers are moving assembly lines down south.



    *You should take a look at the Chevrolet Colorado which is essentially the same as the Holden colorado we have here in Australia , choose the turbo-diesel version , it is the most economical .
    Ford is also going to sell in the U.S , the Ranger we have here , both midsize trucks are pretty similar in size or configuration , 3 mates of mine bought a Colorado last year , and the 3 of them swear by it ..

    I like the Colorado too. The refreshed design is very handsome. I don't think the US gets the diesel model. I just wish GM would improve their interiors. The layout, the materials, etc. But the Colorado is also a large vehicle.

    The current trend is: bigger is better. The compact pickup truck is long gone. I would love it of GM brought the Holden Ute to the states. Half car, half truck. I think it would fit the needs of a majority of people.
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    Jul 03, 2016 3:55 PM GMT
    xrichx said
    neffa said
    xrichx saidFord - The only truck I'd get is the Raptor. The regular F-150 is pretty meh.
    Chevy/GMC - I love the new Silverado/Sierra. But wow.. it's huge! I couldn't drive that around the city to hard to park and maneuver. Same for the Ford, actually.
    Dodge - No. Trust me. Just don't.

    I was shopping for a new Tacoma earlier this year. Double-cab, 4WD. I decided not to because 99% of the double-cab models are made in Mexico. Pass. The US built models are ok from what I can tell. But I would say quality has gone down somewhat over the years, ever since they closed the NUMMI plant in California. Kind of a shame more auto makers are moving assembly lines down south.



    *You should take a look at the Chevrolet Colorado which is essentially the same as the Holden colorado we have here in Australia , choose the turbo-diesel version , it is the most economical .
    Ford is also going to sell in the U.S , the Ranger we have here , both midsize trucks are pretty similar in size or configuration , 3 mates of mine bought a Colorado last year , and the 3 of them swear by it ..

    I like the Colorado too. The refreshed design is very handsome. I don't think the US gets the diesel model. I just wish GM would improve their interiors. The layout, the materials, etc. But the Colorado is also a large vehicle.

    The current trend is: bigger is better. The compact pickup truck is long gone. I would love it of GM brought the Holden Ute to the states. Half car, half truck. I think it would fit the needs of a majority of people.


    I agree with you , the GM should import or build the Holden Ute in the U.S , it is as mentioned by you , a good balance between a pick-up truck and a car , more economical than a p/u truck and it still have a pretty good payload capacity ..
    I am not 100% sure , but i believe GM sells a turbo diesel in the U.S , i also believe it is the same 2.8 l turbo-diesel we have here ...I was in the U.S early this week , and heard a Colorado clattering at the stop light ..lol...
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    Jul 03, 2016 4:42 PM GMT
    2BFree said
    A GMC sounds good, but I am concerned about the reliability?



    Historically, I usually trade my trucks in every 2 years cuz I get bored and want something new. But this GMC is the first truck I have not grown bored with. It has given me zero trouble, only in shop for the regular maintenance schedule. I have over 55,000 miles on this one and haven't even had to get new brakes yet (which is rare for me). So, at least for my experience with this GMC Sierra, the reliability I would give an A+. First truck I've owned that I plan on holding on to and not trade in so soon.
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    Jul 03, 2016 5:50 PM GMT
    Friend of mine just bought a nice F-250 Crew Cab Lariat Diesel for towing his 5th wheel. Nice truck w/ decent mileage and perfect for his purposes. Consider those first, and then make your decision from there. I'd stay away from Dodges because of reliability problems, but the Toyota would be a good choice if it suits you.
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    Jul 03, 2016 5:58 PM GMT
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    I just bought a new Toyota Tacoma. Identical to the one here....same color and everything. And I LOVE IT!
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    Jul 03, 2016 6:53 PM GMT
    On nice! I am going in again today to see!
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    Jul 05, 2016 11:30 PM GMT
    I hated that quicksand color when I first saw it. But it's grown on me. And it looks much better in person. I wish Toyota had a brown/green color though.
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    Jul 06, 2016 12:48 AM GMT
    xrichx saidI hated that quicksand color when I first saw it. But it's grown on me. And it looks much better in person. I wish Toyota had a brown/green color though.



    See, I fell in love with it the minute I saw it. I hate tan, but this leans more towards a taupe.
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    Jul 06, 2016 5:11 AM GMT
    Toyota usually offers horrible shades of red. But the Inferno Red color on the new Tacoma trucks is quite nice too.