17-year old Palestinian Arab terrorist, incited by PA leaders, slits throat of 13-year old American girl sleeping in her bed. Trolls: there are "Reasons", The Child's Bedroom Is A "War Zone", Parents Should Be Arrested For Using The Child As A "Human Shield"

  • mwolverine

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    Jul 01, 2016 2:47 PM GMT
    A 13-year-old Israeli-American was murdered in her sleep by a Palestinian terrorist this morning. Her "throat was slit" just days after a Palestinian leader said “Wherever you find an Israeli, slit his throat.”



    * Fatah’s official Facebook page immediately posted his picture, declaring him a Martyr - “Shahid,” the highest honor achievable in Islam according to the Palestinian Authority.

    * WAFA, the official PA news agency, likewise honored the terrorist, referring to him as a Martyr - “Shahid.”

    * According to Palestinian Authority law, the family of today’s murderer will immediately start receiving a monthly PA stipend that the PA pays to the families of all the “Martyrs.”

    * The mother of the terrorist told a local Hebron news network that her son was “a hero” who made her “proud.”

    If peace and an end to the violence is ever to be achieved, the world must demand an end to Palestinian incitement.

    "Peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews."

    Poll: Two-Thirds of Palestinian Arabs support murder of Israeli Jews, 25% even if attackers are little girls
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4192905

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 01, 2016 2:54 PM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar founcer [now posting as JTheM] blurted
    the Palestinians have every right to kill you.

    Kasim Hafeez> If you find it in yourself to justify the murder of a 13 year old girl, because of religion, politics or "occupation", I suggest you have a very serious look at your moral compass. ...The Palestinian Authority will continue to incite and encourage the murder of Jews while aid flows in to their coffers from the West and anti-Israel activists will continue to demonize Israel.
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 01, 2016 3:03 PM GMT
    Contemplate the correlation of the incitement to this:

    Orlando City Commissioner To GOP Politicians: ‘You Loaded Those Bullets With Hatred'
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4226815

    See further:

    Palestinian teen killed an Israeli mom.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4219548

    West Point graduate struck down in his prime by a "Palestinian" terrorist’s blade
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4221169

    Palestinian kindergarten graduation ceremony has children perform terrorist drills
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4219550

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    Jul 01, 2016 3:08 PM GMT
    Her young life stolen, his young life thrown away; if there is a God and if there is a devil, if there is that battle, the devil won that round.
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 01, 2016 5:31 PM GMT
    Moral clarity:

    Palestinian terrorism and Muslim hypocrisy: An open letter from a Muslim woman
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-terrorism-and-muslim-hypocrisy-an-open-letter-from-a-muslim-woman
    by Nadiya Al-Noor

    || While millions of children got out of bed on the morning of June 30, 2016, excited for summer vacation, one child did not. A young Israeli girl, 13-year-old Hallel Yaffe Ariel, was brutally murdered in her own bed by a 17-year-old Palestinian terrorist. He broke into her house and stabbed her to death. Another life lost to senseless violence. Another poor soul taken too early from this world. But few Muslims in this world will be mourning her death, because Hallel was an Israeli Jew.

    || I am a Muslim, and I know that when it comes to Palestinian terrorism, too many Muslims are hypocrites. I have seen firsthand the casual, destructive anti-Semitism that plagues the Muslim community. I have heard it from the mouths of our religious leaders, from our politicians, and even from our otherwise peaceful, liberal Muslim activists. I have witnessed in horror the desperate attempts to justify Palestinian terrorism from people who I once respected. Why? Why do we decry all other types of terrorism, but bend over backwards to legitimize violence against Israeli Jews?

    || We blame it on “Zionism.” We blame it on “occupation.” We blame it on “apartheid.” We lap up the tired, anti-Semitic lies fed to us by Al-Jazeera: “Israelis cut off the water supply!” “Israelis are going to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque!” We’re not even willing to admit that Israel is a country. We call it “Palestine.” We refuse to call violence against Israelis “terrorism,” and we hypocritically scream, “Resistance is not a crime!”

    || Let me tell you something. Stabbing pregnant women in the stomach is not “resistance.” Shooting people at a cafe is not “resistance.” Driving your car into pedestrians is not “resistance.” Bombing a bus is not “resistance.” Breaking into a woman’s home and murdering her in front of her children is not “resistance.” And stabbing a little girl to death in the one place where she was supposed to be safe is certainly not “resistance.” Terrorism is not resistance. Terrorism is an unjustifiable crime.

    || when it comes to Palestinian terrorism against Jews, we either turn a blind eye to it, or we twist the story to make the terrorists into the victims. This is unacceptable.

    || British Prime Minister David Cameron said, “If you say… ‘Violence in London isn’t justified, but suicide bombs in Israel are a different matter’ – then you too are part of the problem.” He is absolutely right. Terror is terror, even when it’s against Israelis. Do not try to justify or make excuses for the terrorism that happens much too often in Israel. Innocent people are being killed

    || We must decry all terrorism committed. We must not bend over backwards to try to justify it. We must not blame innocent people for being slaughtered, or justify the actions of the terrorists who slaughter them. If we justify acts of terrorism, it is an indication that we do no really believe in peace.

    || When you make excuses for terrorists, you support terrorism. Period. Until we stand against terrorism in all its forms, against terrorists from every background, we Muslims are hypocrites. Allah does not love hypocrites.
  • Apparition

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    Jul 01, 2016 6:04 PM GMT
    At some point, I really hope they move israel to another part of the world, so that all the others in the area only have themselves to blame for how much of hole it is. Without the illusion of Israel being a problem, the whole area would be able to sort itself out once and for all. Be that as a nice reflecting telescope or otherwise. It woudl be so much cheaper to move israel, that I can't believe the republicans haven't made it a platform for tax reduction. lol.
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    Jul 02, 2016 12:30 AM GMT
    I agree, that is terrible. Then again it seems mwolverine doesn't understand that settlements are considered illegal and land grabbing.

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/charlotte-silver/israel-vows-seize-more-land-after-girl-slain-settlement
    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/hebron-lockdown-after-two-days-deadly-attacks

    I have a Palestinian friend lives in a town nearby Israeli settlement Kiryat Arba. He told me that people living in Kiryat Arba settlement are extremist settlers attacking Palestinians, stealing lands and burned Palestinian olive trees. If I am a parent with kids, I wouldn't want my kids to live in a situation where there is a war zone between Israeli soldiers-Palestinians and live on stolen land. Most of the houses in Kiryat Arba were former Palestinian homes.

    These are the people living in Kiryat Arba settlement (before 13 years old girl was murdered.) I am sure they hate gay people too.


    It is where Baruch Goldstein Israeli-American terrorist was from. There is a place called "Meir Kahane Memorial Park" in that racist settlement. The U.S. State Department added Kach and Kahane Chai to its list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations.

    So Israel really wants a two state solution?
    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/charlotte-silver/israel-vows-seize-more-land-after-girl-slain-settlement

    Why would someone like mwolverine and theantijock defend those kind of people? Terrorist sympathizers?
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    Jul 02, 2016 1:11 AM GMT
    JPGC2007 saidI agree, that is terrible. Then again it seems mwolverine doesn't understand that settlements are considered illegal and land grabbing.


    Only there is no then again for the little girl, her throat slit in her sleep.

    And there is no then again for the murdering little boy who threw his life away.

    They get no then again.

    Their parents get no then again.

    Their friends get no then again.

    Their neighbors get no then again.

    Those they loved get no then again.

    Only hatred now and hatred then.

    Retribution then and again and again and again.
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 02, 2016 2:34 AM GMT
    JPGC2007 said
    I agree, that is terrible. Then again it seems mwolverine doesn't understand that settlements are considered illegal and land grabbing.

    Here we see exactly that hypocrisy discussed above. His "then again", marvelously mocked by theantiJock, is really just a "but...".
    No "ifs", "ands", "then agains" or "buts" about it, such terrorism is wrong. Period. End of story.
    As is celebrating it or condoning it with silence.
    As is seeking to mitigate - or harness! - it with "then agains".

    Sam invested all of 5 words to say that the murder of an innocent little girl "is terrible".
    I doubt he was referencing the celebrations of this murder (or others) let alone the incitement.
    With that formality out of the way, he went on to make a political point in pursuit of his agenda.

    We're not going to discuss Jewish villages in Judea & Samaria (for 19 years the so-called "West Bank" OF Trans/Jordan) in this thread, but I'll note that most of them are built on land owned by Jews before 1948 (when they were illegally seized by invading Arab armies) or legally purchased since then.

    Note that the first law passed by the Palestinian Authority in the mid-1990s was to outlaw the sale of land to Jews - under penalty of death to both the buyer and the seller. Not because there is a legacy of Jews "stealing" land but because of the history of Jews purchasing land from willing sellers.
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 02, 2016 3:43 AM GMT
    Apparition saidI really hope they move israel to another part of the world, so that all the others in the area only have themselves to blame for how much of hole it is. Without the illusion of Israel being a problem, the whole area would be able to sort itself out once and for all. Be that as a nice reflecting telescope or otherwise.

    This is my plan:

    Oh oh oh, can we make it an island in the middle of Lake Michigan?

    66f0ee0ce8b574f3072c9362e09a1bc2.jpg

    Solves the water problem, too. icon_smile.gif

    Add a couple bridges, and I could drive to Madison via Ein Gedi, Jerusalem and Tel Aviv!
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 02, 2016 2:09 PM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar founcer/JTheM spewed
    My use of "you" was a reference to 13-year-old girls?
    Whatever idiocy next?

    The idiocy is all his, having repeatedly insisted that the Palestinian Arabs have the "right" to "resist" an "occupation" by "any means", including attacks on innocent civilians, including stabbings, including launching rockets at Israeli population centers.

    Amnesty International: Rocket and mortar attacks by Palestinian armed groups is unlawful and deadly
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4030802

    Amnesty: Palestinian rockets killed more Gazans in 2014 war
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/palestinian-rockets-killed-gaza-civilians-during-war-amnesty-094310033.html?ref=gs

    Hamas admits it lied about Casualties... Yet some RJers still attempt to spam & perpetuate those propaganda lies-for-the-cause?!
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1217613


    In fact, he went so far as to justify an Orlando-style attack in an Israeli mall "because 'occupation'".

    Terrorist Palestinians Carrying Out The Tel Aviv Terror Attack
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4221160
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 02, 2016 4:46 PM GMT
    Glad he finally (pretends to) agree that attacks on Israeli civilians are morally wrong and illegal under international law.

    Just 3 weeks ago, after a terrorist shooting spree targeting Israeli civilians at a Tel Aviv mall, the AyaTrolLiar said:

    AyaTrolLiar> The World Court has told you to respect the Palestinian right to national self-determination and withdraw from the territory the entire world recognizes to be the Palestinian state. Until you [Israel] do, you are an international outlaw and rogue state. The world will boycott you, and the Palestinians have every right to kill you [Israelis, civilians].

    He didn't mean me, personally. He meant all Israelis. Civilians. As had just been murdered and was the topic of the thread.

    Note: The World Court issued a default non-binding opinion, absent hearing any counter-arguments.


    Furthermore, when the massacre in Tel Aviv was referenced as being just as wrong as the massacre in Orlando, he asked:

    AyaTrolLiar> Who does Orlando occupy...?

    Implying that Israel's alleged "occupation" somehow legitimized the cold-blooded murder of Israeli civilians at a mall.


    Now he's quibbling that Israeli civilians can't be murdered by "any means", only by certain means?
    Rockets launched at urban population centers are okay (one hit a kindergarten today), shootings at malls are okay, blowing up bars is okay, but even he draws the line at slitting the throats of little girls in their sleep? (Maybe there is a shred of humanity somewhere underneath his vast layers of hate?)


    Yet he can't stop, and the pathological perversions persist:

    AyaTrolLiar> The girl's parents should be arrested for using a child as a human shield in a war zone.

    Bedrooms are not war zones.
    No military operations were being conducted in, or near, her bedroom.

    Added perversion: he thinks that when Hamas and its ilk launch rockets from school yards and from behind bedrooms, they aren't using the population - including children - as human shields.


    Better idea: the Palestinian Arab leaders who incited that people go out and slit the throats of Jews should be arrested.
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 02, 2016 6:50 PM GMT
    Glad he finally (pretends to) agree that attacks on Israeli civilians are morally wrong and illegal under international law.

    AyaTrolLiar> [silence]


    Just 3 weeks ago, after a terrorist shooting spree targeting Israeli civilians at a Tel Aviv mall, the AyaTrolLiar said:

    AyaTrolLiar> The World Court has told you to respect the Palestinian right to national self-determination and withdraw from the territory the entire world recognizes to be the Palestinian state. Until you [Israel] do, you are an international outlaw and rogue state. The world will boycott you, and the Palestinians have every right to kill you [Israelis, civilians].

    He didn't mean me, personally. He meant all Israelis. Civilians. As had just been murdered and was the topic of the thread.

    AyaTrolLiar> Kill you [Israelis] yes. Not civilians, unless all other forms of armed resistance are foreclosed to them.

    Now he's going in circles. They can't use "any means" unless "other" means "are foreclosed to them"?!


    Note: The World Court issued a default non-binding opinion, absent hearing any counter-arguments.

    AyaTrolLiar> Israel refused to submit evidence

    Israel disagreed with the circumstances and did not participate.
    The non-binding opinion has zero legal weight.


    Furthermore, Implying that Israel's alleged "occupation" somehow legitimized the cold-blooded murder of Israeli civilians at a mall, when the massacre in Tel Aviv was referenced as being just as wrong as the massacre in Orlando, he asked:

    AyaTrolLiar> Who does Orlando occupy...?



    Now he's quibbling that Israeli civilians can't be murdered by "any means", only by certain means?
    Rockets launched at urban population centers are okay (one hit a kindergarten today), shootings at malls are okay, blowing up bars is okay, but even he draws the line at slitting the throats of little girls in their sleep? (Maybe there is a shred of humanity somewhere underneath his vast layers of hate?)


    AyaTrolLiar> [crawled back under his rock]


    Yet he can't stop, and the pathological perversions persist:

    AyaTrolLiar> The girl's parents should be arrested for using a child as a human shield in a war zone.

    Bedrooms are not war zones.
    No military operations were being conducted in, or near, her bedroom.


    AyaTrolLiar> The bedroom, and the illegal settlement it was a part of, is occupied territory - the stage of a violent struggle

    That "violent struggle" isn't limited to the disputed territories (as proven by the massacre in Tel Aviv).
    Maybe the shopping mall in Tel Aviv was also a "war zone"?

    In fact, that "violent struggle" isn't even limited to Israel.
    Evidently synagogues in Europe, community centers in South America and various airplanes are - in his sick mind - also "war zones".

    In any event, we see he's already gone back on pretending to disagree with this brutal murder to excusing and condoning it.
    The fault isn't with the murderer or those who leaders who incited him but with the parents of the victim.
    (Note: the Geneva Conventions he selectively waves consider the girl a "protected civilian", not a "human shield".

    In short, nothing is too stupid or too vile for our hate-driven AyaTrolLiar to spew.


    Added perversion: he thinks that when Hamas and its ilk launch rockets from school yards and from behind bedrooms, they aren't using the population - including children - as human shields.

    AyaTrolLiar> [still hiding under his rock]


    Better idea: the Palestinian Arab leaders who incited that people go out and slit the throats of Jews should be arrested.

    AyaTroLiar> [still hiding under his rock]
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 02, 2016 9:06 PM GMT
    As usual, the AyaTrolLiar avoids the point of discussion while endlessly focusing only on his nonsense diversions.

    1. Glad he finally (pretends to) agree that attacks on Israeli civilians are morally wrong and illegal under international law.

    AyaTrolLiar> [silence, can't actually confirm that he does, or deny that he didn't]


    2. Just 3 weeks ago, after a terrorist shooting spree targeting Israeli civilians at a Tel Aviv mall, the AyaTrolLiar said "Palestinians have every right to kill you [Israelis, civilians]:

    AyaTrolLiar spewed
    The World Court has told you to respect the Palestinian right to national self-determination and withdraw from the territory the entire world recognizes to be the Palestinian state. Until you [Israel] do, you are an international outlaw and rogue state. The world will boycott you, and the Palestinians have every right to kill you [Israelis, civilians].

    He didn't mean me, personally. He meant all Israelis. Civilians. As had just been murdered and was the topic of the thread.

    AyaTrolLiar> Kill you [Israelis] yes. Not civilians, unless all other forms of armed resistance are foreclosed to them.

    2A. Now he's going in circles. They can't use "any means" unless "other" means "are foreclosed to them"?!

    AyaTrolLiar> [lost]


    3. The World Court issued a default non-binding opinion, absent hearing any counter-arguments.
    The non-binding opinion has zero legal weight.


    AyaTrolLiar> "non-binding" simply means it does not fall upon international institutions to implement it

    Confirming that it has zero legal weight.
    (One can only wonder what he didn't understand.)


    4. Furthermore, Implying that Israel's alleged "occupation" somehow legitimized the cold-blooded murder of Israeli civilians at a mall, when the massacre in Tel Aviv was referenced as being just as wrong as the massacre in Orlando, he asked:

    AyaTrolLiar then> Who does Orlando occupy...?

    AyaTrolLiar now> [gone!]


    5. Now he's quibbling that Israeli civilians can't be murdered by "any means", only by certain means?
    Rockets launched at urban population centers are okay (one hit a kindergarten today), shootings at malls are okay, blowing up bars is okay, but even he draws the line at slitting the throats of little girls in their sleep? (Maybe there is a shred of humanity somewhere underneath his vast layers of hate?)


    AyaTrolLiar> [crawled back under his rock, still]


    Yet he can't stop, and the pathological perversions persist:

    AyaTrolLiar> The girl's parents should be arrested for using a child as a human shield in a war zone.

    6. Bedrooms are not war zones.
    No military operations were being conducted in, or near, her bedroom.


    AyaTrolLiar> The bedroom, and the illegal settlement it was a part of, is occupied territory - the stage of a violent struggle

    6A. That "violent struggle" isn't limited to the disputed territories (as proven by the massacre in Tel Aviv).

    AyaTrolLiar> [diversion]

    6B. Maybe the shopping mall in Tel Aviv was also a "war zone"?

    AyaTrolLiar> [flees]


    6C. In fact, that "violent struggle" isn't even limited to Israel.
    Evidently synagogues in Europe, community centers in South America and various airplanes are - in his sick mind - also "war zones".


    AyaTrolLiar> A person has to be occupied to resist occupation.
    AyaTrolLiar> a price tag.

    Wow. He's back to claiming that blowing up innocent civilians, in the territories or outside, is "resistance".
    That slitting the throats of little girls sleeping in their bed is "a price tag".


    7. We see he's already gone back on pretending to disagree with this brutal murder to excusing and condoning it.
    The fault isn't with the murderer or those who leaders who incited him but with the parents of the victim.
    Note: the Geneva Conventions he selectively waves consider the girl a "protected civilian", not a "human shield".


    AyaTrolLiar> [destroyed]


    Added perversion: he thinks that when Hamas and its ilk launch rockets from school yards and from behind bedrooms, they aren't using the population - including children - as human shields.

    AyaTrolLiar> [still hiding under his rock, again]


    Better idea: the Palestinian Arab leaders who incited that people go out and slit the throats of Jews should be arrested.

    AyaTroLiar> [still hiding under his rock, again]


    Once again he reveals that nothing is too stupid or too vile for our hate-driven AyaTrolLiar to spew.
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 03, 2016 3:09 PM GMT
    As usual, the AyaTrolLiar avoids the point of discussion while endlessly focusing only on his nonsense diversions.

    1. Glad he finally (pretends to) agree that attacks on Israeli civilians are morally wrong and illegal under international law.

    AyaTrolLiar> [silence, can't actually confirm that he does, or deny that he didn't]


    2. Just 3 weeks ago, after a terrorist shooting spree targeting Israeli civilians at a Tel Aviv mall, the AyaTrolLiar said "Palestinians have every right to kill you [Israelis, civilians]:

    AyaTrolLiar spewed
    The World Court has told you to respect the Palestinian right to national self-determination and withdraw from the territory the entire world recognizes to be the Palestinian state. Until you [Israel] do, you are an international outlaw and rogue state. The world will boycott you, and the Palestinians have every right to kill you [Israelis, civilians].

    He didn't mean me, personally. He meant all Israelis. Civilians. As had just been murdered and was the topic of the thread.

    AyaTrolLiar> Kill you [Israelis] yes. Not civilians, unless all other forms of armed resistance are foreclosed to them.

    2A. Now he's going in circles. They can't use "any means" (see #5) unless "other" means "are foreclosed to them"?!

    AyaTrolLiar> [lost]


    3. The World Court issued a default non-binding opinion, absent hearing any counter-arguments.
    The non-binding opinion has zero legal weight.


    AyaTrolLiar> "non-binding" simply means it does not fall upon international institutions to implement it

    Confirming that it has zero legal weight.

    AyaTrolLiar> its conclusions reflect the opinions of the top legal minds in the world

    Having heard only one side of a case. Meh.

    Binding on the parties is UNSCR 242. It does NOT call for an immediate, unilateral or even full Israeli withdrawal. It envisions a comprehensive peace settlement followed by an Israeli withdrawal to the negotiated border.

    The World Court case is the usual AyaTrolLiar diversion. As if he thinks it permits Palestinian Arab terrorists to slit the throats of sleeping girls?



    4. Furthermore, Implying that Israel's alleged "occupation" somehow legitimized the cold-blooded murder of Israeli civilians at a mall, when the massacre in Tel Aviv was referenced as being just as wrong as the massacre in Orlando, he asked:

    AyaTrolLiar then> Who does Orlando occupy...?

    AyaTrolLiar now> [gone!]


    5. Now he's quibbling that Israeli civilians can't be murdered by "any means", only by certain means?
    Rockets launched at urban population centers are okay (one hit a kindergarten today), shootings at malls are okay, blowing up bars is okay, but even he draws the line at slitting the throats of little girls in their sleep? (Maybe there is a shred of humanity somewhere underneath his vast layers of hate?)


    AyaTrolLiar> [crawled back under his rock, still]


    Yet he can't stop, and the pathological perversions persist:

    AyaTrolLiar> The girl's parents should be arrested for using a child as a human shield in a war zone.

    6. Bedrooms are not war zones.
    No military operations were being conducted in, or near, her bedroom.


    AyaTrolLiar> The bedroom, and the illegal settlement it was a part of, is occupied territory - the stage of a violent struggle

    6A. That "violent struggle" isn't limited to the disputed territories (as proven by the massacre in Tel Aviv).

    AyaTrolLiar> You mean the national territory of the occupying power

    6B1. So the bedroom of a child in Tel Aviv is also a "war zone"?

    6B2. So 9/11 was justified and legal because it was an attack on "the national territory of the occupying power"?



    6C. In fact, that "violent struggle" isn't even limited to Israel.
    Evidently synagogues in Europe, community centers in South America and various airplanes are - in his sick mind - also "war zones".


    AyaTrolLiar> A person has to be occupied to resist occupation.
    AyaTrolLiar> a price tag.

    Wow. He's back to claiming that blowing up innocent civilians, in the territories or outside, is "resistance".
    That slitting the throats of little girls sleeping in their bed is "a price tag".


    7. We see he's already gone back on pretending to disagree with this brutal murder to excusing and condoning it.
    The fault isn't with the murderer or those who leaders who incited him but with the parents of the victim.
    (Note: the Geneva Conventions he selectively waves consider the girl a "protected civilian", not a "human shield".


    AyaTrolLiar> [destroyed]


    8. Added perversion: he thinks that when Hamas and its ilk launch rockets from school yards and from behind bedrooms, they aren't using the population - including children - as human shields.

    AyaTrolLiar> [still hiding under his rock, again]


    9. Better idea: the Palestinian Arab leaders who incited that people go out and slit the throats of Jews should be arrested.
    Those who shoot rockets targeting civilians should be arrested.
    Oh, but those are his Hamas heroes.


    AyaTroLiar> [still hiding under his rock, again]


    Once again he reveals that nothing is too stupid or too vile for our hate-driven AyaTrolLiar to spew.
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 03, 2016 6:34 PM GMT
    As usual, the AyaTrolLiar avoids the point of discussion while endlessly focusing only on his nonsense diversions.

    1. Glad he finally (pretends to) agree that attacks on Israeli civilians are morally wrong and illegal under international law.

    AyaTrolLiar> [silence, can't actually confirm that he does, or deny that he didn't]


    2. Just 3 weeks ago, after a terrorist shooting spree targeting Israeli civilians at a Tel Aviv mall, the AyaTrolLiar said "Palestinians have every right to kill you [Israelis, civilians]:

    AyaTrolLiar spewed
    The World Court has told you to respect the Palestinian right to national self-determination and withdraw from the territory the entire world recognizes to be the Palestinian state. Until you [Israel] do, you are an international outlaw and rogue state. The world will boycott you, and the Palestinians have every right to kill you [Israelis, civilians].

    He didn't mean me, personally. He meant all Israelis. Civilians. As had just been murdered and was the topic of the thread.

    AyaTrolLiar> Kill you [Israelis] yes. Not civilians, unless all other forms of armed resistance are foreclosed to them.

    2A. Now he's going in circles. They can't use "any means" (see #5) unless "other" means "are foreclosed to them"?!

    AyaTrolLiar> [lost]


    3. The World Court issued a default non-binding opinion, absent hearing any counter-arguments.
    The non-binding opinion has zero legal weight.


    AyaTrolLiar> "non-binding" simply means it does not fall upon international institutions to implement it

    3A. Confirming that it has zero legal weight.

    AyaTrolLiar> its conclusions reflect the opinions of the top legal minds in the world

    3B. Having heard only one side of a case. Meh.

    AyaTrolLiar> It's inconceivable the court didn't already know the Israeli brief

    Oh, dear, amateur hour at the podium, again.

    3C. The Court can only make decisions based on the cases presented, otherwise one could say they "already know" both sides and can simply make their own determination.

    3D. Binding on the parties is UNSCR 242. It does NOT call for an immediate, unilateral or even full Israeli withdrawal. It envisions a comprehensive peace settlement followed by an Israeli withdrawal to the negotiated border.


    AyaTrolLiar> the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory through war

    3E. Right. The Palestinian Arabs cannot simply inherit the territory conquered through war by Trans/Jordan and Egypt in 1948.

    3F. The permanent border needs to be negotiated, and Israel is not required to withdraw before this is accomplished.

    3G. The World Court case is the usual AyaTrolLiar diversion. As if he thinks it permits Palestinian Arab terrorists to slit the throats of sleeping girls?

    AyaTrolLiar> [flees]


    4. Furthermore, Implying that Israel's alleged "occupation" somehow legitimized the cold-blooded murder of Israeli civilians at a mall, when the massacre in Tel Aviv was referenced as being just as wrong as the massacre in Orlando, he asked:

    AyaTrolLiar then> Who does Orlando occupy...?

    AyaTrolLiar now> Who does Orlando occupy.

    4A. So mass murder in Tel Aviv is okay "because 'occupation'"?


    5. Now he's quibbling that Israeli civilians can't be murdered by "any means", only by certain means?
    Rockets launched at urban population centers are okay (one hit a kindergarten today), shootings at malls are okay, blowing up bars is okay, but even he draws the line at slitting the throats of little girls in their sleep? (Maybe there is a shred of humanity somewhere underneath his vast layers of hate?)


    AyaTrolLiar> [crawled back under his rock, still]


    Yet he can't stop, and the pathological perversions persist:

    AyaTrolLiar> The girl's parents should be arrested for using a child as a human shield in a war zone.

    6. Bedrooms are not war zones.
    No military operations were being conducted in, or near, her bedroom.


    AyaTrolLiar> The bedroom, and the illegal settlement it was a part of, is occupied territory - the stage of a violent struggle

    6A. That "violent struggle" isn't limited to the disputed territories (as proven by the massacre in Tel Aviv).

    AyaTrolLiar> You mean the national territory of the occupying power

    6B1. So the bedroom of a child in Tel Aviv is also a "war zone"?

    AyaTrolLiar> [flees]

    6B2. So 9/11 was justified and legal because it was an attack on "the national territory of the occupying power"?

    AyaTrolLiar> [flees]

    6C. In fact, that "violent struggle" isn't even limited to Israel.
    Evidently synagogues in Europe, community centers in South America and various airplanes are - in his sick mind - also "war zones".


    AyaTrolLiar> A person has to be occupied to resist occupation.
    AyaTrolLiar> a price tag.

    Wow. He's back to claiming that blowing up innocent civilians, in the territories or outside, is "resistance".
    That slitting the throats of little girls sleeping in their bed is "a price tag".


    7. We see he's already gone back on pretending to disagree with this brutal murder to excusing and condoning it.
    The fault isn't with the murderer or those leaders who incited him but with the parents of the victim.
    (Note: the Geneva Conventions he selectively waves consider the girl a "protected civilian", not a "human shield".


    AyaTrolLiar> [destroyed]


    8. Added perversion: he thinks that when Hamas and its ilk launch rockets from school yards and from behind bedrooms, they aren't using the population - including children - as human shields.

    AyaTrolLiar> [still hiding under his rock, again]


    9. Better idea: the Palestinian Arab leaders who incited that people go out and slit the throats of Jews should be arrested.
    Those who shoot rockets targeting civilians should be arrested.
    Oh, but those are his Hamas heroes.


    AyaTroLiar> [still hiding under his rock, again]


    Once again he reveals that nothing is too stupid or too vile for our hate-driven AyaTrolLiar to spew.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5347

    Jul 03, 2016 7:32 PM GMT
    As usual, the AyaTrolLiar avoids the point of discussion while endlessly focusing only on his nonsense diversions.

    1. Glad he finally (pretends to) agree that attacks on Israeli civilians are morally wrong and illegal under international law.

    AyaTrolLiar> [silence, can't actually confirm that he does, or deny that he didn't]


    2. Just 3 weeks ago, after a terrorist shooting spree targeting Israeli civilians at a Tel Aviv mall, the AyaTrolLiar said "Palestinians have every right to kill you [Israelis, civilians]:

    AyaTrolLiar spewed
    The World Court has told you to respect the Palestinian right to national self-determination and withdraw from the territory the entire world recognizes to be the Palestinian state. Until you [Israel] do, you are an international outlaw and rogue state. The world will boycott you, and the Palestinians have every right to kill you [Israelis, civilians].

    He didn't mean me, personally. He meant all Israelis. Civilians. As had just been murdered and was the topic of the thread.

    AyaTrolLiar> Kill you [Israelis] yes. Not civilians, unless all other forms of armed resistance are foreclosed to them.

    2A. Now he's going in circles. They can't use "any means" (see #5) unless "other" means "are foreclosed to them"?!

    AyaTrolLiar> [lost]


    3. The World Court issued a default non-binding opinion, absent hearing any counter-arguments.
    The non-binding opinion has zero legal weight.


    AyaTrolLiar> "non-binding" simply means it does not fall upon international institutions to implement it

    3A. Confirming that it has zero legal weight.

    AyaTrolLiar> its conclusions reflect the opinions of the top legal minds in the world

    3B. Having heard only one side of a case. Meh.

    AyaTrolLiar> It's inconceivable the court didn't already know the Israeli brief

    Oh, dear, amateur hour at the podium, again.

    3C. The Court can only make decisions based on the cases presented, otherwise one could say they "already know" both sides and can simply make their own determination.

    3D. Binding on the parties is UNSCR 242. It does NOT call for an immediate, unilateral or even full Israeli withdrawal. It envisions a comprehensive peace settlement followed by an Israeli withdrawal to the negotiated border.


    AyaTrolLiar> the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory through war

    3E. Right. The Palestinian Arabs cannot simply inherit the territory conquered through war by Trans/Jordan and Egypt in 1948.

    AyaTrolLiar> were BORN there.

    So were Jews.

    3F. The permanent border needs to be negotiated, and Israel is not required to withdraw before this is accomplished.

    AyaTrolLiar> Occupations are temporary under international law.

    3F1. There is no time limit, and this situation has endured because of the intransigence of the Arab parties which have repeatedly refused to make peace.

    AyaTrolLiar> The World Court has ordered Israel to respect the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and withdraw.

    See 3/3A and 3D.

    3G. The World Court case is the usual AyaTrolLiar diversion. As if he thinks it permits Palestinian Arab terrorists to slit the throats of sleeping girls?

    AyaTrolLiar> [flees]


    4. Furthermore, Implying that Israel's alleged "occupation" somehow legitimized the cold-blooded murder of Israeli civilians at a mall, when the massacre in Tel Aviv was referenced as being just as wrong as the massacre in Orlando, he asked:

    AyaTrolLiar then> Who does Orlando occupy...?

    AyaTrolLiar now> Who does Orlando occupy.

    4A. So mass murder in Tel Aviv is okay "because 'occupation'"?

    AyaTrolLiar> [won't say]


    5. Now he's quibbling that Israeli civilians can't be murdered by "any means", only by certain means?
    Rockets launched at urban population centers are okay (one hit a kindergarten today), shootings at malls are okay, blowing up bars is okay, but even he draws the line at slitting the throats of little girls in their sleep? (Maybe there is a shred of humanity somewhere underneath his vast layers of hate?)


    AyaTrolLiar> [crawled back under his rock, still]


    Yet he can't stop, and the pathological perversions persist:

    AyaTrolLiar> The girl's parents should be arrested for using a child as a human shield in a war zone.

    6. Bedrooms are not war zones.
    No military operations were being conducted in, or near, her bedroom.


    AyaTrolLiar> The bedroom, and the illegal settlement it was a part of, is occupied territory - the stage of a violent struggle

    6A. That "violent struggle" isn't limited to the disputed territories (as proven by the massacre in Tel Aviv).

    AyaTrolLiar> You mean the national territory of the occupying power

    6B1. So the bedroom of a child in Tel Aviv is also a "war zone"?

    AyaTrolLiar> No

    Just as neither is the bedroom of a child in the disputed territories, from which Jews were ethnically cleansed in 1948.

    6B2. So 9/11 was justified and legal because it was an attack on "the national territory of the occupying power"?

    AyaTrolLiar> America in 2001 was not an "occupying power", at least not occupying the lands of those who attacked it.

    Yet Al Qaida claimed that US forces were occupying Saudi Arabia and you're on record saying the US deserved 9/11 for its imperialism.

    6C. In fact, that "violent struggle" isn't even limited to Israel.
    Evidently synagogues in Europe, community centers in South America and various airplanes are - in his sick mind - also "war zones".


    AyaTrolLiar> A person has to be occupied to resist occupation.
    AyaTrolLiar> a price tag.

    Wow. He's back to claiming that blowing up innocent civilians, in the territories or outside, is "resistance".
    That slitting the throats of little girls sleeping in their bed is "a price tag".


    7. We see he's already gone back on pretending to disagree with this brutal murder to excusing and condoning it.
    The fault isn't with the murderer or those leaders who incited him but with the parents of the victim.
    (Note: the Geneva Conventions he selectively waves consider the girl a "protected civilian", not a "human shield".


    AyaTrolLiar> [destroyed]


    8. Added perversion: he thinks that when Hamas and its ilk launch rockets from school yards and from behind bedrooms, they aren't using the population - including children - as human shields.

    AyaTrolLiar> [still hiding under his rock, again]


    9. Better idea: the Palestinian Arab leaders who incited that people go out and slit the throats of Jews should be arrested.
    Those who shoot rockets targeting civilians should be arrested.
    Oh, but those are his Hamas heroes.


    AyaTroLiar> [still hiding under his rock, again]


    Once again he reveals that nothing is too stupid or too vile for our hate-driven AyaTrolLiar to spew.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5347

    Jul 03, 2016 8:05 PM GMT
    6B2. So 9/11 was justified and legal because it was an attack on "the national territory of the occupying power"?

    AyaTrolLiar> America in 2001 was not an "occupying power", at least not occupying the lands of those who attacked it.

    Al Qaida claimed that US forces were occupying Saudi Arabia and you're on record saying the US deserved 9/11 for its imperialism.

    AyaTrolLiar> ROTFL

    Ah, the laugh of an ignorant idiot.

    In 1996, Bin Ladin issued a 30-page Fatwa, the title?

    Declaration of War Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places*

    * A reference to Mecca & Medina in Saudi Arabia.

    Edit:

    American troops were present in Saudi Arabia at the invitation of the Saudi government... just as Russian troops were in Afghanistan at the invitation of the Afghani government.

    What's further amazing here is that the AyaTrolLiar claims to despise the Saudi government and that it is propped up by the USA, but he nonetheless is perfectly okay with US troops "occupying" Saudi Arabia.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5347

    Jul 03, 2016 8:06 PM GMT
    3E. The Palestinian Arabs cannot simply inherit the territory conquered through war by Trans/Jordan and Egypt in 1948.

    AyaTrolLiar> were BORN there.

    So were Jews.

    AyaTrolLiar> No problem Jews being born there, only Israelis, who already have a state.

    The last legal and still binding allocation of this territory, in 1922, was to Israel.
    The understanding being that the Arabs already had many other states.

    Arabs (like Arabic) NOT indigenous to Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4019405

    The Palestine Paradox
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2652202

    The Emergence of Palestinian Arab Nationalism in the Mid-to-Late 20th Century
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4193729


    3F. The permanent border needs to be negotiated, and Israel is not required to withdraw before this is accomplished.

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210

    But yeah, we all know that a troll can never discuss a topic in its thread.
    He must endlessly spew his nonsense in other threads where it hasn't already been refuted.

    AyaTrolLiar> Occupations are temporary under international law.

    3F1. There is no time limit, and this situation has endured because of the intransigence of the Arab parties which have repeatedly refused to make peace.

    AyaTrolLiar> The world recognizes a Palestinian state there.

    3F2. Yet there is no Palestinian Arab state there, and we already agreed that just because Arab armies conquered these territories by force in 1948 doesn't mean that after those Arab states no longer control these territories they can gift them to someone else.

    3F3. Not to mention that no one in the world has ever been able to supply a legal argument when and how the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem or Gush Etzion became part of this mythical "Palestinian State".

    As usual, he's going in circles. See 3D and 3F.

  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5347

    Jul 03, 2016 8:07 PM GMT
    4. Implying that Israel's alleged "occupation" somehow legitimized the cold-blooded murder of Israeli civilians at a mall, when the massacre in Tel Aviv was referenced as being just as wrong as the massacre in Orlando, he asked:

    AyaTrolLiar> Who does Orlando occupy...?

    4A. So mass murder in Tel Aviv is okay "because 'occupation'"?

    AyaTrolLiar> Straw man. The only one to mention "okay" was you.

    ROTFL. Amateur hour when it comes to logic, too.

    If "occupation" doesn't play a role in whether it is or isn't OK to mass murder innocent civilians, then why ask "Who does Orlando occupy"?

    It is a distinction without a difference.

    The mass murder of innocent civilians in Orlando, in Tel Aviv and in Kiryat Arba is just as illegal, unjustifiable and reprehensible.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5347

    Jul 03, 2016 8:51 PM GMT
    There is no Palestinian Arab state there, and we already agreed that just because Arab armies conquered these territories by force in 1948 doesn't mean that after those Arab states no longer control these territories they can gift them to someone else.

    AyaTrolLiar> belong to those who live there, have lived there continuously for centuries, and form the majority population.

    Look how he will contradict himself below:

    Not to mention that no one in the world has ever been able to supply a legal argument when and how the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem or Gush Etzion became part of this mythical "Palestinian State"

    AyaTrolLiar> Because they're located outside of Israel

    Israel has annexed Jerusalem, so that is located inside Israel.
    It could likewise annex Gush Etzion.

    Just as the USA annexed Louisiana (having purchased it from its prior owner).

    Jerusalem has had a Jewish plurality for nearly 200 years and an outright Jewish majority for 120-150 years.

    By his own logic, this currently stateless territory (he tells us it is outside of each state) belongs to Israel.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5347

    Jul 03, 2016 9:13 PM GMT
    It is a distinction without a difference.

    AyaTrolLiar> Because the situations ARE different.

    I suppose it is also "different" if the murderer is male or female, Muslim or Christian and if the shooting happens on a Sunday or a Friday.

    It changes nothing:

    The mass murder of innocent civilians in Orlando, in Tel Aviv and in Kiryat Arba is just as illegal, unjustifiable and reprehensible.

    AyaTrolLiar> [no comment]

    Ponder the perversity: the mass murder of Jews is somehow "different"?
    The bedroom of a sleeping child is a "war zone"?

    How different is that from the nutjobs who claim that Orlando was "different" (from, say, 9/11 or attacks in Europe) because the people killed were gays so it's somehow understandable? That a gay bar is a "war zone".... icon_rolleyes.gif
  • Apparition

    Posts: 4004

    Jul 03, 2016 10:16 PM GMT
    nobody cares, nobody cares, nobody cares. find another forum to discuss two people who are genetically identical people, and have been mad at each other since biblical times over NOTHING. Please, it is cheaper and easier just to move somewhere where they dont bomb each other and live a happy life there. You don't have to own some 20 square feet of land, that is completely the same everywhere else. Go live there. Be the bigger man and just say, enough is enough, this craphole desert way over here is just as good and I don't have to contribute to the world being a hole anyomore!

    The end.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5347

    Jul 04, 2016 2:29 AM GMT
    Not since Biblical times, the Arabs arrived much later, most of them in recent centuries after the Mamluk devastation of the late 13-16th centuries. Which is to say, in roughly the same time frame as Europeans arrived in the New World.

    Arabs (like Arabic) NOT indigenous to Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4019405

    The conflict is relatively tame, with fewer people killed over the last ~100 years than have been killed in Syria in just the last handful of years.

    But you are right that compromise and peace would have worked well.

    1947-1948: Arabs reject compromise and attack Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/960691

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210

  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5347

    Jul 04, 2016 2:43 AM GMT
    Jerusalem has had a Jewish plurality for nearly 200 years and an outright Jewish majority for 120-150 years

    AyaTrolLiar> Not historic Jerusalem (East Jerusalem and its quarters).

    Bzzzzt! He invents another false "fact" to suit his biased, preconceived, notions.

    Had the Arab invaders not massacred Jerusalem's Jews in the late 17th century (with only 1 survivor), Jews would have constituted a majority for longer.

    AyaTrolLiar> its Jews are not native, and the "majority" since the 19th Century was just a load of European imperialists

    Unlike the Arab colonists? Who set up a Mughrabi (north African) section of town?

    The Jewish ethnogenesis was on this land more then 3,300 years ago, and Jews have lived here - CONTINUOUSLY - since then.


    AyaTrolLiar> EAST (historic) Jerusalem is stateless territory, and is not a political entity in itself but belongs to the OPT - where 90% of the world recognizes a Palestinian state.

    Again he abandons international law as if this is a popularity contest?
    If it is stateless territory, it - by definition - can't be "occupied".

    Of course, he's yet to explain how, legally, it came to "belong" to Arab "Palestine".