17-year old Palestinian Arab terrorist, incited by PA leaders, slits throat of 13-year old American girl sleeping in her bed. Trolls: there are "Reasons", The Child's Bedroom Is A "War Zone", Parents Should Be Arrested For Using The Child As A "Human Shield"

  • mwolverine

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    Jul 01, 2016 2:47 PM GMT
    A 13-year-old Israeli-American was murdered in her sleep by a Palestinian terrorist this morning. Her "throat was slit" just days after a Palestinian leader said “Wherever you find an Israeli, slit his throat.”



    * Fatah’s official Facebook page immediately posted his picture, declaring him a Martyr - “Shahid,” the highest honor achievable in Islam according to the Palestinian Authority.

    * WAFA, the official PA news agency, likewise honored the terrorist, referring to him as a Martyr - “Shahid.”

    * According to Palestinian Authority law, the family of today’s murderer will immediately start receiving a monthly PA stipend that the PA pays to the families of all the “Martyrs.”

    * The mother of the terrorist told a local Hebron news network that her son was “a hero” who made her “proud.”

    If peace and an end to the violence is ever to be achieved, the world must demand an end to Palestinian incitement.

    "Peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews."

    Poll: Two-Thirds of Palestinian Arabs support murder of Israeli Jews, 25% even if attackers are little girls
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4192905

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 01, 2016 2:54 PM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar founcer [now posting as JTheM] blurted
    the Palestinians have every right to kill you.

    Kasim Hafeez> If you find it in yourself to justify the murder of a 13 year old girl, because of religion, politics or "occupation", I suggest you have a very serious look at your moral compass. ...The Palestinian Authority will continue to incite and encourage the murder of Jews while aid flows in to their coffers from the West and anti-Israel activists will continue to demonize Israel.
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 01, 2016 3:03 PM GMT
    Contemplate the correlation of the incitement to this:

    Orlando City Commissioner To GOP Politicians: ‘You Loaded Those Bullets With Hatred'
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4226815

    See further:

    Palestinian teen killed an Israeli mom.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4219548

    West Point graduate struck down in his prime by a "Palestinian" terrorist’s blade
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4221169

    Palestinian kindergarten graduation ceremony has children perform terrorist drills
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4219550

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    Jul 01, 2016 3:08 PM GMT
    Her young life stolen, his young life thrown away; if there is a God and if there is a devil, if there is that battle, the devil won that round.
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 01, 2016 5:31 PM GMT
    Moral clarity:

    Palestinian terrorism and Muslim hypocrisy: An open letter from a Muslim woman
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-terrorism-and-muslim-hypocrisy-an-open-letter-from-a-muslim-woman
    by Nadiya Al-Noor

    || While millions of children got out of bed on the morning of June 30, 2016, excited for summer vacation, one child did not. A young Israeli girl, 13-year-old Hallel Yaffe Ariel, was brutally murdered in her own bed by a 17-year-old Palestinian terrorist. He broke into her house and stabbed her to death. Another life lost to senseless violence. Another poor soul taken too early from this world. But few Muslims in this world will be mourning her death, because Hallel was an Israeli Jew.

    || I am a Muslim, and I know that when it comes to Palestinian terrorism, too many Muslims are hypocrites. I have seen firsthand the casual, destructive anti-Semitism that plagues the Muslim community. I have heard it from the mouths of our religious leaders, from our politicians, and even from our otherwise peaceful, liberal Muslim activists. I have witnessed in horror the desperate attempts to justify Palestinian terrorism from people who I once respected. Why? Why do we decry all other types of terrorism, but bend over backwards to legitimize violence against Israeli Jews?

    || We blame it on “Zionism.” We blame it on “occupation.” We blame it on “apartheid.” We lap up the tired, anti-Semitic lies fed to us by Al-Jazeera: “Israelis cut off the water supply!” “Israelis are going to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque!” We’re not even willing to admit that Israel is a country. We call it “Palestine.” We refuse to call violence against Israelis “terrorism,” and we hypocritically scream, “Resistance is not a crime!”

    || Let me tell you something. Stabbing pregnant women in the stomach is not “resistance.” Shooting people at a cafe is not “resistance.” Driving your car into pedestrians is not “resistance.” Bombing a bus is not “resistance.” Breaking into a woman’s home and murdering her in front of her children is not “resistance.” And stabbing a little girl to death in the one place where she was supposed to be safe is certainly not “resistance.” Terrorism is not resistance. Terrorism is an unjustifiable crime.

    || when it comes to Palestinian terrorism against Jews, we either turn a blind eye to it, or we twist the story to make the terrorists into the victims. This is unacceptable.

    || British Prime Minister David Cameron said, “If you say… ‘Violence in London isn’t justified, but suicide bombs in Israel are a different matter’ – then you too are part of the problem.” He is absolutely right. Terror is terror, even when it’s against Israelis. Do not try to justify or make excuses for the terrorism that happens much too often in Israel. Innocent people are being killed

    || We must decry all terrorism committed. We must not bend over backwards to try to justify it. We must not blame innocent people for being slaughtered, or justify the actions of the terrorists who slaughter them. If we justify acts of terrorism, it is an indication that we do no really believe in peace.

    || When you make excuses for terrorists, you support terrorism. Period. Until we stand against terrorism in all its forms, against terrorists from every background, we Muslims are hypocrites. Allah does not love hypocrites.
  • Apparition

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    Jul 01, 2016 6:04 PM GMT
    At some point, I really hope they move israel to another part of the world, so that all the others in the area only have themselves to blame for how much of hole it is. Without the illusion of Israel being a problem, the whole area would be able to sort itself out once and for all. Be that as a nice reflecting telescope or otherwise. It woudl be so much cheaper to move israel, that I can't believe the republicans haven't made it a platform for tax reduction. lol.
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    Jul 02, 2016 12:30 AM GMT
    I agree, that is terrible. Then again it seems mwolverine doesn't understand that settlements are considered illegal and land grabbing.

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/charlotte-silver/israel-vows-seize-more-land-after-girl-slain-settlement
    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/hebron-lockdown-after-two-days-deadly-attacks

    I have a Palestinian friend lives in a town nearby Israeli settlement Kiryat Arba. He told me that people living in Kiryat Arba settlement are extremist settlers attacking Palestinians, stealing lands and burned Palestinian olive trees. If I am a parent with kids, I wouldn't want my kids to live in a situation where there is a war zone between Israeli soldiers-Palestinians and live on stolen land. Most of the houses in Kiryat Arba were former Palestinian homes.

    These are the people living in Kiryat Arba settlement (before 13 years old girl was murdered.) I am sure they hate gay people too.


    It is where Baruch Goldstein Israeli-American terrorist was from. There is a place called "Meir Kahane Memorial Park" in that racist settlement. The U.S. State Department added Kach and Kahane Chai to its list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations.

    So Israel really wants a two state solution?
    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/charlotte-silver/israel-vows-seize-more-land-after-girl-slain-settlement

    Why would someone like mwolverine and theantijock defend those kind of people? Terrorist sympathizers?
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    Jul 02, 2016 1:11 AM GMT
    JPGC2007 saidI agree, that is terrible. Then again it seems mwolverine doesn't understand that settlements are considered illegal and land grabbing.


    Only there is no then again for the little girl, her throat slit in her sleep.

    And there is no then again for the murdering little boy who threw his life away.

    They get no then again.

    Their parents get no then again.

    Their friends get no then again.

    Their neighbors get no then again.

    Those they loved get no then again.

    Only hatred now and hatred then.

    Retribution then and again and again and again.
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 02, 2016 2:34 AM GMT
    JPGC2007 said
    I agree, that is terrible. Then again it seems mwolverine doesn't understand that settlements are considered illegal and land grabbing.

    Here we see exactly that hypocrisy discussed above. His "then again", marvelously mocked by theantiJock, is really just a "but...".
    No "ifs", "ands", "then agains" or "buts" about it, such terrorism is wrong. Period. End of story.
    As is celebrating it or condoning it with silence.
    As is seeking to mitigate - or harness! - it with "then agains".

    Sam invested all of 5 words to say that the murder of an innocent little girl "is terrible".
    I doubt he was referencing the celebrations of this murder (or others) let alone the incitement.
    With that formality out of the way, he went on to make a political point in pursuit of his agenda.

    We're not going to discuss Jewish villages in Judea & Samaria (for 19 years the so-called "West Bank" OF Trans/Jordan) in this thread, but I'll note that most of them are built on land owned by Jews before 1948 (when they were illegally seized by invading Arab armies) or legally purchased since then.

    Note that the first law passed by the Palestinian Authority in the mid-1990s was to outlaw the sale of land to Jews - under penalty of death to both the buyer and the seller. Not because there is a legacy of Jews "stealing" land but because of the history of Jews purchasing land from willing sellers.
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 02, 2016 3:43 AM GMT
    Apparition saidI really hope they move israel to another part of the world, so that all the others in the area only have themselves to blame for how much of hole it is. Without the illusion of Israel being a problem, the whole area would be able to sort itself out once and for all. Be that as a nice reflecting telescope or otherwise.

    This is my plan:

    Oh oh oh, can we make it an island in the middle of Lake Michigan?

    66f0ee0ce8b574f3072c9362e09a1bc2.jpg

    Solves the water problem, too. icon_smile.gif

    Add a couple bridges, and I could drive to Madison via Ein Gedi, Jerusalem and Tel Aviv!
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    Jul 02, 2016 9:46 AM GMT
    My use of "you" was a reference to 13-year-old girls?
    Whatever idiocy next?

    Sane, compassionate people will hope for two things:

    1. That a murder of this nature never happens again.

    2. That following the implementation of the two-state solution, the legacy of this girl, her family, and the entire settler enterprise is utterly destroyed and forgotten.
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 02, 2016 2:09 PM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar founcer/JTheM spewed
    My use of "you" was a reference to 13-year-old girls?
    Whatever idiocy next?

    The idiocy is all his, having repeatedly insisted that the Palestinian Arabs have the "right" to "resist" an "occupation" by "any means", including attacks on innocent civilians, including stabbings, including launching rockets at Israeli population centers.

    Amnesty International: Rocket and mortar attacks by Palestinian armed groups is unlawful and deadly
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4030802

    Amnesty: Palestinian rockets killed more Gazans in 2014 war
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/palestinian-rockets-killed-gaza-civilians-during-war-amnesty-094310033.html?ref=gs

    Hamas admits it lied about Casualties... Yet some RJers still attempt to spam & perpetuate those propaganda lies-for-the-cause?!
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1217613


    In fact, he went so far as to justify an Orlando-style attack in an Israeli mall "because 'occupation'".

    Terrorist Palestinians Carrying Out The Tel Aviv Terror Attack
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4221160
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    Jul 02, 2016 3:44 PM GMT
    Can you quote me saying "because 'occupation'", or quote the full sentence in which I said "any means"? Looking forward to it if you can.

    You can post whatever videos you want from Benjamin Netanyahu's Ronald McDonald website.
    The girl's parents should be arrested for using a child as a human shield in a war zone.
  • mwolverine

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    Jul 02, 2016 4:46 PM GMT
    Glad he finally (pretends to) agree that attacks on Israeli civilians are morally wrong and illegal under international law.

    Just 3 weeks ago, after a terrorist shooting spree targeting Israeli civilians at a Tel Aviv mall, the AyaTrolLiar said:

    AyaTrolLiar> The World Court has told you to respect the Palestinian right to national self-determination and withdraw from the territory the entire world recognizes to be the Palestinian state. Until you [Israel] do, you are an international outlaw and rogue state. The world will boycott you, and the Palestinians have every right to kill you [Israelis, civilians].

    He didn't mean me, personally. He meant all Israelis. Civilians. As had just been murdered and was the topic of the thread.

    Note: The World Court issued a default non-binding opinion, absent hearing any counter-arguments.


    Furthermore, when the massacre in Tel Aviv was referenced as being just as wrong as the massacre in Orlando, he asked:

    AyaTrolLiar> Who does Orlando occupy...?

    Implying that Israel's alleged "occupation" somehow legitimized the cold-blooded murder of Israeli civilians at a mall.


    Now he's quibbling that Israeli civilians can't be murdered by "any means", only by certain means?
    Rockets launched at urban population centers are okay (one hit a kindergarten today), shootings at malls are okay, blowing up bars is okay, but even he draws the line at slitting the throats of little girls in their sleep? (Maybe there is a shred of humanity somewhere underneath his vast layers of hate?)


    Yet he can't stop, and the pathological perversions persist:

    AyaTrolLiar> The girl's parents should be arrested for using a child as a human shield in a war zone.

    Bedrooms are not war zones.
    No military operations were being conducted in, or near, her bedroom.

    Added perversion: he thinks that when Hamas and its ilk launch rockets from school yards and from behind bedrooms, they aren't using the population - including children - as human shields.


    Better idea: the Palestinian Arab leaders who incited that people go out and slit the throats of Jews should be arrested.
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    Jul 02, 2016 6:22 PM GMT
    The World Court has told you to respect the Palestinian right to national self-determination and withdraw from the territory the entire world recognizes to be the Palestinian state. Until you [Israel] do, you are an international outlaw and rogue state. The world will boycott you, and the Palestinians have every right to kill you [Israelis, civilians].

    Very Ugly Pervert> He didn't mean me, personally. He meant all Israelis. Civilians. As had just been murdered and was the topic of the thread

    Kill you [Israelis] yes. Not civilians, unless all other forms of armed resistance are foreclosed to them.

    Very Ugly Pervert> Note: The World Court issued a default non-binding opinion, absent hearing any counter-arguments

    Nothing "default" about it. Israel refused to submit evidence, and whatever its status, it represents the authoritative opinion of the highest judicial body (as if anyone was unaware of the universally rejected Israeli brief?)

    Of course there was no chance, then or after, that its opinion would not concur with every other expert source in the world regarding this matter.
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    Jul 02, 2016 6:29 PM GMT
    Very Ugly Pervert> Bedrooms are not war zones

    The bedroom, and the illegal settlement it was a part of, is occupied territory - the stage of a violent struggle for Palestinian national self-determination for decades.

    The parents knew this when they moved a dependant minor into an all-Jewish colony illegal under international law. They should be arrested, immediately.
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    Jul 02, 2016 6:50 PM GMT
    Glad he finally (pretends to) agree that attacks on Israeli civilians are morally wrong and illegal under international law.

    AyaTrolLiar> [silence]


    Just 3 weeks ago, after a terrorist shooting spree targeting Israeli civilians at a Tel Aviv mall, the AyaTrolLiar said:

    AyaTrolLiar> The World Court has told you to respect the Palestinian right to national self-determination and withdraw from the territory the entire world recognizes to be the Palestinian state. Until you [Israel] do, you are an international outlaw and rogue state. The world will boycott you, and the Palestinians have every right to kill you [Israelis, civilians].

    He didn't mean me, personally. He meant all Israelis. Civilians. As had just been murdered and was the topic of the thread.

    AyaTrolLiar> Kill you [Israelis] yes. Not civilians, unless all other forms of armed resistance are foreclosed to them.

    Now he's going in circles. They can't use "any means" unless "other" means "are foreclosed to them"?!


    Note: The World Court issued a default non-binding opinion, absent hearing any counter-arguments.

    AyaTrolLiar> Israel refused to submit evidence

    Israel disagreed with the circumstances and did not participate.
    The non-binding opinion has zero legal weight.


    Furthermore, Implying that Israel's alleged "occupation" somehow legitimized the cold-blooded murder of Israeli civilians at a mall, when the massacre in Tel Aviv was referenced as being just as wrong as the massacre in Orlando, he asked:

    AyaTrolLiar> Who does Orlando occupy...?



    Now he's quibbling that Israeli civilians can't be murdered by "any means", only by certain means?
    Rockets launched at urban population centers are okay (one hit a kindergarten today), shootings at malls are okay, blowing up bars is okay, but even he draws the line at slitting the throats of little girls in their sleep? (Maybe there is a shred of humanity somewhere underneath his vast layers of hate?)


    AyaTrolLiar> [crawled back under his rock]


    Yet he can't stop, and the pathological perversions persist:

    AyaTrolLiar> The girl's parents should be arrested for using a child as a human shield in a war zone.

    Bedrooms are not war zones.
    No military operations were being conducted in, or near, her bedroom.


    AyaTrolLiar> The bedroom, and the illegal settlement it was a part of, is occupied territory - the stage of a violent struggle

    That "violent struggle" isn't limited to the disputed territories (as proven by the massacre in Tel Aviv).
    Maybe the shopping mall in Tel Aviv was also a "war zone"?

    In fact, that "violent struggle" isn't even limited to Israel.
    Evidently synagogues in Europe, community centers in South America and various airplanes are - in his sick mind - also "war zones".

    In any event, we see he's already gone back on pretending to disagree with this brutal murder to excusing and condoning it.
    The fault isn't with the murderer or those who leaders who incited him but with the parents of the victim.
    (Note: the Geneva Conventions he selectively waves consider the girl a "protected civilian", not a "human shield".

    In short, nothing is too stupid or too vile for our hate-driven AyaTrolLiar to spew.


    Added perversion: he thinks that when Hamas and its ilk launch rockets from school yards and from behind bedrooms, they aren't using the population - including children - as human shields.

    AyaTrolLiar> [still hiding under his rock]


    Better idea: the Palestinian Arab leaders who incited that people go out and slit the throats of Jews should be arrested.

    AyaTroLiar> [still hiding under his rock]
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    Jul 02, 2016 7:39 PM GMT
    Very Ugly Pervert> Israel disagreed with the circumstances and did not participate

    Yup, the only country in the world to do so, because it knew it could only lose.
    Then it bitches its opinions were not taken into account?

    Very Ugly Pervert> The non-binding opinion has zero legal weight

    False, "non-binding" simply means it does not fall upon international institutions to implement it.
    Nonetheless, it is the opinion of the highest judicial body in the world, hence of enormous legal consequence.
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    Very Ugly Pervert> That "violent struggle" isn't limited to the disputed territories (as proven by the massacre in Tel Aviv)

    You mean the national territory of the occupying power, from which the current residents of the Palestinian Territories and their ancestors were expelled by force?

    Very Ugly Pervert> In fact, that "violent struggle" isn't even limited to Israel.
    Evidently synagogues in Europe, community centers in South America and various airplanes are - in his sick mind - also "war zones"

    Desperate flailing. A person has to be occupied to resist occupation.
    We have seen it all before in Chechnya, in Ireland, in South Africa, and in countless other places. Brutal occupation and denial of self-determination come with a price tag. Which is just as well, less they become permanent, open-ended endeavors.
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    Jul 02, 2016 9:06 PM GMT
    As usual, the AyaTrolLiar avoids the point of discussion while endlessly focusing only on his nonsense diversions.

    1. Glad he finally (pretends to) agree that attacks on Israeli civilians are morally wrong and illegal under international law.

    AyaTrolLiar> [silence, can't actually confirm that he does, or deny that he didn't]


    2. Just 3 weeks ago, after a terrorist shooting spree targeting Israeli civilians at a Tel Aviv mall, the AyaTrolLiar said "Palestinians have every right to kill you [Israelis, civilians]:

    AyaTrolLiar spewed
    The World Court has told you to respect the Palestinian right to national self-determination and withdraw from the territory the entire world recognizes to be the Palestinian state. Until you [Israel] do, you are an international outlaw and rogue state. The world will boycott you, and the Palestinians have every right to kill you [Israelis, civilians].

    He didn't mean me, personally. He meant all Israelis. Civilians. As had just been murdered and was the topic of the thread.

    AyaTrolLiar> Kill you [Israelis] yes. Not civilians, unless all other forms of armed resistance are foreclosed to them.

    2A. Now he's going in circles. They can't use "any means" unless "other" means "are foreclosed to them"?!

    AyaTrolLiar> [lost]


    3. The World Court issued a default non-binding opinion, absent hearing any counter-arguments.
    The non-binding opinion has zero legal weight.


    AyaTrolLiar> "non-binding" simply means it does not fall upon international institutions to implement it

    Confirming that it has zero legal weight.
    (One can only wonder what he didn't understand.)


    4. Furthermore, Implying that Israel's alleged "occupation" somehow legitimized the cold-blooded murder of Israeli civilians at a mall, when the massacre in Tel Aviv was referenced as being just as wrong as the massacre in Orlando, he asked:

    AyaTrolLiar then> Who does Orlando occupy...?

    AyaTrolLiar now> [gone!]


    5. Now he's quibbling that Israeli civilians can't be murdered by "any means", only by certain means?
    Rockets launched at urban population centers are okay (one hit a kindergarten today), shootings at malls are okay, blowing up bars is okay, but even he draws the line at slitting the throats of little girls in their sleep? (Maybe there is a shred of humanity somewhere underneath his vast layers of hate?)


    AyaTrolLiar> [crawled back under his rock, still]


    Yet he can't stop, and the pathological perversions persist:

    AyaTrolLiar> The girl's parents should be arrested for using a child as a human shield in a war zone.

    6. Bedrooms are not war zones.
    No military operations were being conducted in, or near, her bedroom.


    AyaTrolLiar> The bedroom, and the illegal settlement it was a part of, is occupied territory - the stage of a violent struggle

    6A. That "violent struggle" isn't limited to the disputed territories (as proven by the massacre in Tel Aviv).

    AyaTrolLiar> [diversion]

    6B. Maybe the shopping mall in Tel Aviv was also a "war zone"?

    AyaTrolLiar> [flees]


    6C. In fact, that "violent struggle" isn't even limited to Israel.
    Evidently synagogues in Europe, community centers in South America and various airplanes are - in his sick mind - also "war zones".


    AyaTrolLiar> A person has to be occupied to resist occupation.
    AyaTrolLiar> a price tag.

    Wow. He's back to claiming that blowing up innocent civilians, in the territories or outside, is "resistance".
    That slitting the throats of little girls sleeping in their bed is "a price tag".


    7. We see he's already gone back on pretending to disagree with this brutal murder to excusing and condoning it.
    The fault isn't with the murderer or those who leaders who incited him but with the parents of the victim.
    (Note: the Geneva Conventions he selectively waves consider the girl a "protected civilian", not a "human shield".


    AyaTrolLiar> [destroyed]


    Added perversion: he thinks that when Hamas and its ilk launch rockets from school yards and from behind bedrooms, they aren't using the population - including children - as human shields.

    AyaTrolLiar> [still hiding under his rock, again]


    Better idea: the Palestinian Arab leaders who incited that people go out and slit the throats of Jews should be arrested.

    AyaTroLiar> [still hiding under his rock, again]


    Once again he reveals that nothing is too stupid or too vile for our hate-driven AyaTrolLiar to spew.
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    Very Ugly Pervert> Israel disagreed with the circumstances and did not participate

    Yup, the only country in the world to do so, because it knew it would lose.
    Then it bitches its opinions are not taken into account?


    Very Ugly Pervert> The non-binding opinion has zero legal weight

    False, "non-binding" simply means it does not fall upon international institutions to implement it. Nonetheless, it is the opinion of the highest judicial body in the world, hence of enormous legal consequence.

    Very Ugly Pervert> Confirming that it has zero legal weight

    Pure idiocy. It has zero "enforceable" weight.
    Nonetheless, its conclusions reflect the opinions of the top legal minds in the world, representing a landmark.
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    Very Ugly Pervert> That "violent struggle" isn't limited to the disputed territories (as proven by the massacre in Tel Aviv)

    You mean the national territory of the occupying power, from which the current residents of the Palestinian Territories and their ancestors were expelled by force?

    VUP> [flails]

    Very Ugly Pervert> In fact, that "violent struggle" isn't even limited to Israel.
    Evidently synagogues in Europe, community centers in South America and various airplanes are - in his sick mind - also "war zones"

    Desperate flailing. A person has to be occupied to resist occupation.
    We have seen it all before in Chechnya, in Ireland, in South Africa, and in countless other places. Brutal occupation and denial of self-determination come with a price tag. Which is just as well, lest they become permanent, open-ended endeavors.


    VUP> [more flailing]
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    Jul 03, 2016 3:09 PM GMT
    As usual, the AyaTrolLiar avoids the point of discussion while endlessly focusing only on his nonsense diversions.

    1. Glad he finally (pretends to) agree that attacks on Israeli civilians are morally wrong and illegal under international law.

    AyaTrolLiar> [silence, can't actually confirm that he does, or deny that he didn't]


    2. Just 3 weeks ago, after a terrorist shooting spree targeting Israeli civilians at a Tel Aviv mall, the AyaTrolLiar said "Palestinians have every right to kill you [Israelis, civilians]:

    AyaTrolLiar spewed
    The World Court has told you to respect the Palestinian right to national self-determination and withdraw from the territory the entire world recognizes to be the Palestinian state. Until you [Israel] do, you are an international outlaw and rogue state. The world will boycott you, and the Palestinians have every right to kill you [Israelis, civilians].

    He didn't mean me, personally. He meant all Israelis. Civilians. As had just been murdered and was the topic of the thread.

    AyaTrolLiar> Kill you [Israelis] yes. Not civilians, unless all other forms of armed resistance are foreclosed to them.

    2A. Now he's going in circles. They can't use "any means" (see #5) unless "other" means "are foreclosed to them"?!

    AyaTrolLiar> [lost]


    3. The World Court issued a default non-binding opinion, absent hearing any counter-arguments.
    The non-binding opinion has zero legal weight.


    AyaTrolLiar> "non-binding" simply means it does not fall upon international institutions to implement it

    Confirming that it has zero legal weight.

    AyaTrolLiar> its conclusions reflect the opinions of the top legal minds in the world

    Having heard only one side of a case. Meh.

    Binding on the parties is UNSCR 242. It does NOT call for an immediate, unilateral or even full Israeli withdrawal. It envisions a comprehensive peace settlement followed by an Israeli withdrawal to the negotiated border.

    The World Court case is the usual AyaTrolLiar diversion. As if he thinks it permits Palestinian Arab terrorists to slit the throats of sleeping girls?



    4. Furthermore, Implying that Israel's alleged "occupation" somehow legitimized the cold-blooded murder of Israeli civilians at a mall, when the massacre in Tel Aviv was referenced as being just as wrong as the massacre in Orlando, he asked:

    AyaTrolLiar then> Who does Orlando occupy...?

    AyaTrolLiar now> [gone!]


    5. Now he's quibbling that Israeli civilians can't be murdered by "any means", only by certain means?
    Rockets launched at urban population centers are okay (one hit a kindergarten today), shootings at malls are okay, blowing up bars is okay, but even he draws the line at slitting the throats of little girls in their sleep? (Maybe there is a shred of humanity somewhere underneath his vast layers of hate?)


    AyaTrolLiar> [crawled back under his rock, still]


    Yet he can't stop, and the pathological perversions persist:

    AyaTrolLiar> The girl's parents should be arrested for using a child as a human shield in a war zone.

    6. Bedrooms are not war zones.
    No military operations were being conducted in, or near, her bedroom.


    AyaTrolLiar> The bedroom, and the illegal settlement it was a part of, is occupied territory - the stage of a violent struggle

    6A. That "violent struggle" isn't limited to the disputed territories (as proven by the massacre in Tel Aviv).

    AyaTrolLiar> You mean the national territory of the occupying power

    6B1. So the bedroom of a child in Tel Aviv is also a "war zone"?

    6B2. So 9/11 was justified and legal because it was an attack on "the national territory of the occupying power"?



    6C. In fact, that "violent struggle" isn't even limited to Israel.
    Evidently synagogues in Europe, community centers in South America and various airplanes are - in his sick mind - also "war zones".


    AyaTrolLiar> A person has to be occupied to resist occupation.
    AyaTrolLiar> a price tag.

    Wow. He's back to claiming that blowing up innocent civilians, in the territories or outside, is "resistance".
    That slitting the throats of little girls sleeping in their bed is "a price tag".


    7. We see he's already gone back on pretending to disagree with this brutal murder to excusing and condoning it.
    The fault isn't with the murderer or those who leaders who incited him but with the parents of the victim.
    (Note: the Geneva Conventions he selectively waves consider the girl a "protected civilian", not a "human shield".


    AyaTrolLiar> [destroyed]


    8. Added perversion: he thinks that when Hamas and its ilk launch rockets from school yards and from behind bedrooms, they aren't using the population - including children - as human shields.

    AyaTrolLiar> [still hiding under his rock, again]


    9. Better idea: the Palestinian Arab leaders who incited that people go out and slit the throats of Jews should be arrested.
    Those who shoot rockets targeting civilians should be arrested.
    Oh, but those are his Hamas heroes.


    AyaTroLiar> [still hiding under his rock, again]


    Once again he reveals that nothing is too stupid or too vile for our hate-driven AyaTrolLiar to spew.
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    Jul 03, 2016 4:28 PM GMT
    Very Ugly Pervert> Israel disagreed with the circumstances and did not participate

    Yup, the only country in the world to do so, because it knew it would lose.
    Then it bitches its opinions are not taken into account?


    Very Ugly Pervert> The non-binding opinion has zero legal weight

    False, "non-binding" simply means it does not fall upon international institutions to implement it. Nonetheless, it is the opinion of the highest judicial body in the world, hence of enormous legal consequence.

    Very Ugly Pervert> Confirming that it has zero legal weight

    Pure idiocy. It has zero "enforceable" weight.
    Nonetheless, its conclusions reflect the opinions of the top legal minds in the world, representing a landmark.

    VUP> Having heard only one side of a case. Meh

    Proving once again you are a moron.
    It's inconceivable the court didn't already know the Israeli brief, and inconceivable that it wouldn't come to the same conclusions as every other legal and political body in the world.
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    Jul 03, 2016 4:30 PM GMT
    VUP> Binding on the parties is UNSCR 242. It does NOT call for an immediate, unilateral or even full Israeli withdrawal. It envisions a comprehensive peace settlement followed by an Israeli withdrawal to the negotiated border

    Yes, in the context of "EMPHASIZING" (the word itself is emphasized), the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory through war, in accordance with the UN Charter and international law.