Erections and age

  • jayatl56

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    Jul 02, 2016 1:32 PM GMT
    I'll be 60 in September and while I have no problem whatsoever getting and keeping an erection it just takes a bit more time and in some cases a little physical stimulation. Sometimes I get hard without any assistance but other times I have to play with myself a bit. My last physical revealed, not surprisingly, that my T count is low. I don't want to try boosting it because I read that once you start you can't stop, your balls shrink and your own T production drops further. Viagra is ungodly expensive (Pfizer has you by the balls and that's ashame since they could make just as much money if it was more readily available). So are there other alternatives?
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    Jul 02, 2016 4:14 PM GMT
    jayatl56 said... Viagra is ungodly expensive (Pfizer has you...

    i hope this thread is not a plug for some junk product

    -i think Pfizer's patent is about to expire soon so expect generic viagra availability.
    -For the average Joe, not on the president of the US medical insurance plan, difficult to get clinical information on sustaining sexual appetite as you age. Lots of expensive bro science that does nothing. The local doctors tend to be ignorant.
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    Jul 02, 2016 10:11 PM GMT
    Just to get rid of all these trolling Israel/Palestine thread, I am gonna bump every other thread.
  • jayatl56

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    Jul 03, 2016 12:13 AM GMT
    No, this isn't trolling for some product. It's legit.

    I didn't know about the Viagra patent but still you'd think they'd capture more baby boomers lowering the price. $500 for 10 tablets is just wrong.

    Google is my friend. http://www.fiercepharma.com/sales-and-marketing/coming-generics-threat-to-pfizer-s-viagra-brand-just-got-scarier
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    Jul 03, 2016 12:54 AM GMT
    Taking Viagra to me seems like you're just masking the problem. If your testosterone is low, that will cause all sorts of other health related issues. You should get your levels checked BY A ENDOCRINOLOGIST (not your M.D.) And so what if you're married to it for life? Your already married to the fact that your testosterone will be low for life so why not do something proactive at protecting your health (and sex life?)
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    Jul 04, 2016 12:32 PM GMT
    Pfizer patent on viagra (sildenafil citrate) was thrown out by the Supreme Court of Canada in November 2012 so generic has been legally availabe since then in Canada. On some men the effect wears off after a few doses and it no longer works without a long wait in between. It works by relaxing vessels so blood will flow but doesn't only work on the penis. On some it also relaxes the blood vessels in the face and you get flushed, like blushing from embarassment. icon_smile.gif On some it relaxes vessels in the head and gives you a headache. Best to get a few pills at first to try. Cheapest to get large dose pills and cut up for use. Works out to $1.75 CDN per dose.
  • jayatl56

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    Jul 04, 2016 12:43 PM GMT
    NepeanGuy saidPfizer patent on viagra (sildenafil citrate) was thrown out by the Supreme Court of Canada in November 2012 so generic has been legally availabe since then in Canada. On some men the effect wears off after a few doses and it no longer works without a long wait in between. It works by relaxing vessels so blood will flow but doesn't only work on the penis. On some it also relaxes the blood vessels in the face and you get flushed, like blushing from embarassment. icon_smile.gif On some it relaxes vessels in the head and gives you a headache. Best to get a few pills at first to try. Cheapest to get large dose pills and cut up for use. Works out to $1.75 CDN per dose.


    Wow! I need to find a good Canadian pharmacy! I wonder how often you can take it without it "wearing off"? Once a week?

    Thanks for that great information
  • Edepic

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    Jul 05, 2016 12:08 AM GMT
    Think twice before taking testosterone at your age. Many prostate cancers are stimulated by T, (one treatment for prostate cancer is estrogen or removal of the testicles.) Best to consider Cialis, it's taken every day, is covered by most insurance plans if you have prostatic hypertrophy like most men your age, and if you shop around ( see above advise) it's surprising cheap, and it will keep you hard and happy ;})
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    Jul 05, 2016 12:15 AM GMT
    Edepic saidThink twice before taking testosterone at your age. Many prostate cancers are stimulated by T, (one treatment for prostate cancer is estrogen or removal of the testicles.) Best to consider Cialis, it's taken every day, is covered by most insurance plans if you have prostatic hypertrophy like most men your age, and if you shop around ( see above advise) it's surprising cheap, and it will keep you hard and happy ;})



    You are spreading myths here. There guys in their 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's and 60's on HRT with no cancer. The other option is to allow testosterone to deplete each year which actually causes all sorts of health problems....including the increase risk of cancer. http://tctmed.com/testosterone-and-prostate-cancer-the-real-story/
  • Edepic

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    Jul 05, 2016 3:04 AM GMT
    Radd said
    Edepic saidThink twice before taking testosterone at your age. Many prostate cancers are stimulated by T, (one treatment for prostate cancer is estrogen or removal of the testicles.) Best to consider Cialis, it's taken every day, is covered by most insurance plans if you have prostatic hypertrophy like most men your age, and if you shop around ( see above advise) it's surprising cheap, and it will keep you hard and happy ;})



    You are spreading myths here. There guys in their 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's and 60's on HRT with no cancer. The other option is to allow testosterone to deplete each year which actually causes all sorts of health problems....including the increase risk of cancer. http://tctmed.com/testosterone-and-prostate-cancer-the-real-story/


    Yes many studies show that there is no statistical evidence that taking extra testosterone will cause prostate cancer
    http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.juro.2014.07.123r.
    The reference that you quote is from a testosterone mill and does not reference the risks of taking testosterone.

    However, my point is that if you are older and have undetected prostate cancer, testosterone may encourage the cancer to metastasize. I know several men with prostate cancer who are on estrogen to reduce the effect of testosterone and others who have had their testicles removed.
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    Jul 05, 2016 4:13 AM GMT
    Edepic said
    Radd said
    Edepic saidThink twice before taking testosterone at your age. Many prostate cancers are stimulated by T, (one treatment for prostate cancer is estrogen or removal of the testicles.) Best to consider Cialis, it's taken every day, is covered by most insurance plans if you have prostatic hypertrophy like most men your age, and if you shop around ( see above advise) it's surprising cheap, and it will keep you hard and happy ;})



    You are spreading myths here. There guys in their 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's and 60's on HRT with no cancer. The other option is to allow testosterone to deplete each year which actually causes all sorts of health problems....including the increase risk of cancer. http://tctmed.com/testosterone-and-prostate-cancer-the-real-story/


    Yes many studies show that there is no statistical evidence that taking extra testosterone will cause prostate cancer
    http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.juro.2014.07.123r.
    The reference that you quote is from a testosterone mill and does not reference the risks of taking testosterone.

    However, my point is that if you are older and have undetected prostate cancer, testosterone may encourage the cancer to metastasize. I know several men with prostate cancer who are on estrogen to reduce the effect of testosterone and others who have had their testicles removed.



    It's not "extra" testosterone. It's bringing a person with LOW testosterone back to a normal level. Responsible HRT should never be confused with bodybuilder's who take extra testosterone to get huge. The list of side effects that result from LOW testosterone is quite an extensive list however!
  • Edepic

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    Jul 05, 2016 9:53 AM GMT
    ^
    Testosterone usually declines as men age. if it declines sufficiently (Below 300ng/dl) it is called hypogonadasm and testosterone replacement is frequently given. However, HRT has become a lucrative cottage industry and men with low normal T levels are being given T for their "low testosterone" .
    I found your reference disturbing and less than candid. It essentially says that those men who developed prostate cancer when they were given exogenous T were grateful because it was detected early. What is left unsaid is that the cancer may have never become manifest if not stimulated by the exogenous T. Be aware of the risks and benefits . If you have true hypogonadasm and are over 60 realize that the risks are greater and get closely monitored with frequent PSA tests. Realize that you will not "be grateful" if a dormant cancer has been stimulated by the testosterone you were given.
  • jayatl56

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    Jul 05, 2016 10:48 AM GMT
    I've read about the potential dangers of taking up T therapy. Besides what you're saying I heard that your balls shrink to almost nothing. I don't need that. I kinda like my balls. Also, I didn't think you could take Cialis everyday or that it was (or could be) covered by insurance. A friend told me to avoid Cialis because of severe heartburn it causes. That's a different subject, however.

    Thanks for the great info.
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    Jul 05, 2016 3:09 PM GMT
    I'm quite certain you're screened for cancers before being given testosterone, and trust me.....no insurance company is going to pay for testosterone unless your levels are WAY below normal. But go ahead and stick a bandaid on the problem. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • Edepic

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    Jul 06, 2016 3:53 AM GMT
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    Yes , according to the reference that you cited http://tctmed.com/testosterone-and-prostate-cancer-the-real-story/ they do check for prostate cancer with a PSA.
    Unfortunately they do not stop giving you a course of testosterone if your initial PSA is high. They consider testosterone to be a kind of stress test that makes hidden cancer surface and all of their patients are grateful to have there cancer activated.. No one considers that they have triggered a dormant testosterone responsive cancer and that they are causing harm. This is not medicine but snake oil hucksterism.
    First do no harm.
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    Jul 07, 2016 2:29 AM GMT
    Hope this isn't off topic but for those who haven't tried Viagra, if you swallow the pill it takes an hour to work, not very spontaneous. If you crush the pil and let it dissolve under your tongue it takes 10-12 minutes to work. Ten minutes extra foreplay while you wait isn't too bad. A handy way to crush the pill is to put it in a spoon, put another spoon on top, press together, open mouth, and dump powder under tongue. The effect lasts four hours but stimulation is needed to keep it up. Stop petting the big guy and he loses it but will come back up with a few minutes of stimulation. Most of this can be found online. Happy hunting.
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    Jul 07, 2016 4:38 AM GMT
    Edepic said^
    Yes , according to the reference that you cited http://tctmed.com/testosterone-and-prostate-cancer-the-real-story/ they do check for prostate cancer with a PSA.
    Unfortunately they do not stop giving you a course of testosterone if your initial PSA is high. They consider testosterone to be a kind of stress test that makes hidden cancer surface and all of their patients are grateful to have there cancer activated.. No one considers that they have triggered a dormant testosterone responsive cancer and that they are causing harm. This is not medicine but snake oil hucksterism.
    First do no harm.



    That's interesting that you'd compare HRT to snake oil. Can you educate me with a peer reviewed major university study that says HRT causes cancer?
  • Edepic

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    Jul 07, 2016 1:12 PM GMT
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    I did not state that HRT causes cancer.

    ''Yet men with hypogonadasm may theoretically be predisposed to more rapid growth of an occult cancer on normalization of serum testosterone levels"

    The New England Journal of Medicine
    Risks of Testosterone replacement Therapy and Recommeations for Monotoring
    Rhodes and Morganthaler
    2004 350:p490

    HRT for men is an experiment and we will not know the true effects for many years to come. HRT for woman turned out much riskier than expected.
    Would I consider HRT if I were a young man and suffering with a low sex drive and other serious symptoms? Yes I would. But I would want to know the risks and be closely monitored. I would not go to a place that gives T to a man with a high PSA and when he gets cancer tells him he was fortunate.