HIV treatment successful in preventing transmission of virus even without condoms

  • metta

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    Jul 18, 2016 6:43 PM GMT
    HIV treatment successful in preventing transmission of virus even without condoms
    Researchers unable to find any viral transmission in over 40,000 sexual encounters without condoms when HIV positive partner was on antiretroviral treatment -

    Read more at: http://scl.io/icfOMitw
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    Jul 19, 2016 12:51 AM GMT
    Wow, that's really incredible.
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    Jul 19, 2016 9:29 PM GMT
    Awesome.
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    Jul 23, 2016 6:08 AM GMT
    Excellent!
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    Aug 02, 2016 10:02 PM GMT
    Exactly what I've been saying for the past 3 years.
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    Aug 07, 2016 6:38 PM GMT
    Undetectable = Uninfectious

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    Aug 11, 2016 3:10 PM GMT
    That is fantastic, but problem with its message is we are still talking about perfect conditions so those people like Timm who think everyone should just BB with someone who says they are undetectable should be seen in the same context as someone who says they are HIV negative. It should though at least give people in serodiscordent relationships more confidence they can remain HIV negative as the continuation of their partners UVL can at least be varified. Still won't be BB with Poz guys Nor will I see any UVL guys as any more or less suitable as a sexual partner
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    Sep 21, 2016 12:20 AM GMT
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 saidThat is fantastic, but problem with its message is we are still talking about perfect conditions so those people like Timm who think everyone should just BB with someone who says they are undetectable (TOTAL STIGMATIZING BULL SHIT) should be seen in the same context as someone who says they are HIV negative. It should though at least give people in serodiscordent relationships more confidence they can remain HIV negative as the continuation of their partners UVL can at least be varified. Still won't be BB with Poz guys Nor will I see any UVL guys as any more or less suitable as a sexual partner


    That's cool, but I also find you unsuitable as a partner, stigmatizing, a liar and ignorant.
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    Oct 09, 2016 10:27 PM GMT
    TIMinPS said
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 saidThat is fantastic, but problem with its message is we are still talking about perfect conditions so those people like Timm who think everyone should just BB with someone who says they are undetectable (TOTAL STIGMATIZING BULL SHIT) should be seen in the same context as someone who says they are HIV negative. It should though at least give people in serodiscordent relationships more confidence they can remain HIV negative as the continuation of their partners UVL can at least be varified. Still won't be BB with Poz guys Nor will I see any UVL guys as any more or less suitable as a sexual partner


    That's cool, but I also find you unsuitable as a partner, stigmatizing, a liar and ignorant.


    Thank goodness for that, I would prefer celibacy than sex with a Pharmicuitical company puppet..once again,you stigmatise yourself with your manipulations and agenda riddled rantings.the idea you even considered I would lower my standards to you being anything in my life makes my skin crawl
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    Oct 09, 2016 11:28 PM GMT
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said
    TIMinPS said
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 saidThat is fantastic, but problem with its message is we are still talking about perfect conditions so those people like Timm who think everyone should just BB with someone who says they are undetectable (TOTAL STIGMATIZING BULL SHIT) should be seen in the same context as someone who says they are HIV negative. It should though at least give people in serodiscordent relationships more confidence they can remain HIV negative as the continuation of their partners UVL can at least be varified. Still won't be BB with Poz guys Nor will I see any UVL guys as any more or less suitable as a sexual partner


    That's cool, but I also find you unsuitable as a partner, stigmatizing, a liar and ignorant.


    Thank goodness for that, I would prefer celibacy than sex with a Pharmicuitical company puppet..once again,you stigmatise yourself with your manipulations and agenda riddled rantings.the idea you even considered I would lower my standards to you being anything in my life makes my skin crawl


    CONGRATS! YOU'VE FINALLY GOTTEN TO WHAT I THINK ABOUT YOU!
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    Oct 09, 2016 11:33 PM GMT

    The more people like Art Deco (and Sydney!) who stigmatize those on PrEP and TasP, by either denying the medical science or falsely misjudging their intended use, the more people will become infected. if condoms were the answer AIDS would have been over in 1993.

    "The only large longitudinal study of condom efficacy in gay men was published back in 1989. Its findings were affected by the sexual risk behaviour paradox we noted above. The Multi-AIDS Cohort Study (MACS), the oldest HIV cohort study in the world, found that, amongst 2914 initially HIV negative gay men, the six-month incidence rate in men who claimed 100% condom use was 0.7% and amongst men who never used condoms it was 2.9%. This yields a condom efficacy of ‘never’ versus ‘always’ of approximately 70%, somewhat lower than that seen in studies in heterosexuals, probably because anal sex is less forgiving of occasional exposure."

    http://www.aidsmap.com/Do-condoms-work/page/1746203/

    These are real numbers, not confidence numbers. in 6 months 3 people became positive using condoms "always". 6 in a year hypothetically if not more because the pool is smaller. By 1998 it would have been 60 Gay men who were infected with HIV who "always" used condoms, 120 by 2008 and 240 by 2018. That is assuming it would be linear rather than exponential. Remember that only 2914 people are in that study group. But 2914 is a high number for a statistical study. Now x 1000=240,000. It is estimated there are 1.2 million people in the US with HIV. A pretty good chunk of that is from "condoms always".

    A study like that today would be unconscionable. You couldn't give one group condom only and another group PrEP only.

    Art Deco arguing I have a bareback "agenda" is ludicrous. If anything I think condoms aren't enough.
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    Oct 09, 2016 11:39 PM GMT
    I've noticed that since people are starting to accept the science of medicine, the new tact is that I'm a tool of Gilead or other such nonsense.

    Slow minds progress......... S....L.....O......W.....L......Y.
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    Oct 10, 2016 8:55 AM GMT
    TIMinPS saidI've noticed that since people are starting to accept the science of medicine, the new tact is that I'm a tool of Gilead or other such nonsense.

    Slow minds progress......... S....L.....O......W.....L......Y.


    Actually Timm55 I worked out long ago you a plant from Gillead or at least getting kick backs., better if you declare it but your perogative buddy
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    Oct 10, 2016 10:53 PM GMT
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said
    TIMinPS saidI've noticed that since people are starting to accept the science of medicine, the new tact is that I'm a tool of Gilead or other such nonsense.

    Slow minds progress......... S....L.....O......W.....L......Y.


    Actually Timm55 I worked out long ago you a plant from Gillead or at least getting kick backs., better if you declare it but your perogative buddy


    I'm a LTS, a LONG TERM SURVIVOR of HIV/AIDS. Without question ART has saved my life and millions more. That is why I know it works.
    For you to imply anything else is pure fabrication and an attempt to diminish the benefits of ART and PrEP. Lying about something that saves lives and prevents HIV is IMHO criminal. Certainly morally bankrupt.
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    Oct 13, 2016 7:55 PM GMT


    Timm55 from Gillead Pharamacuiticals said"I'm a LTS, a LONG TERM SURVIVOR of HIV/AIDS. Without question ART has saved my life and millions more. That is why I know it works.
    For you to imply anything else is pure fabrication and an attempt to diminish the benefits of ART and PrEP. Lying about something that saves lives and prevents HIV is IMHO criminal. Certainly morally bankrupt."

    Well once again Timm55 you have gone off on a tangent attributing things I neither said of agree with. I do have to thank you for your lighthearted comment about morals as I seem to recall you specifically attacked my use of the term, but perhaps since you dictate what people can think and write on here I guess I will just have to assume you have no valid response so you just go back to a standard response like everyone has come to expect from a media/publicity department of a large corporation which is certainly evident here.

    Just for those people who are not regular RJ forum contributers, Timm55 is an openly HIV poz man who claims his viral load is undetectable. As I would rather become celibate than have sex with him, I choose to believe him. Timm55 is also a strong advocate for Prep and testing more, all sounds good so far but wait... Timm55 is also an unabashed fan of BB sex and he believes that HIV Poz men have a right to keep their current sexual health status to themselves even if they are intending to and then go ahead with BB sex which he prefers it being called Condomless sex. Timm55 with his advocacy for BB and for Truvada as Prep to be taken by most if not all gay men, he has claimed that Undetectable Viral Load Poz men are the safest to sleep with and that Gay men should be sleeping with such men.

    Timm55 likes to research studies on the internet (I suspect his ghost righter does this for him in reality from the Gillie ad Pharmaceutical Marketing department) and he particularly enjoys posting information derived from studies where the results show statistics with condoms having low proficiency and Prep and other Gilleaad science developed products as being above what the company themselves states as the statistics for people using Prep live in the community. Timm55 seems to believe by creating enough doubt over the proficiency of condoms, people will have no other choice with their sex lives and turn to BB sex on Prep instead recognising that the use of Prep as a prevention of HIV was not developed to change people away from Condom use, but to provide some protection for those who otherwise use no protection from STI's. But don't just believe me, read his profile postings where he clearly states then re-enforces those practices as best practice for protecting our sexual health. Timm55 all that I ask is that you be honest and declare your sponsorship or kick back scheme to increase the market of those who would like to start taking Prep. Timm55 knows that if you are not making your self a cum dump or taking massive risk for 'the thrill of it'or BB with strangers of any HIV Status, your chances of aquiring HIV are low so the support for BB is an integral part of his stealth campaign.
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    Oct 13, 2016 9:42 PM GMT
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    Timm55 from Gillead Pharamacuiticals said"I'm a LTS, a LONG TERM SURVIVOR of HIV/AIDS. Without question ART has saved my life and millions more. That is why I know it works.
    For you to imply anything else is pure fabrication and an attempt to diminish the benefits of ART and PrEP. Lying about something that saves lives and prevents HIV is IMHO criminal. Certainly morally bankrupt."

    Well once again Timm55 you have gone off on a tangent attributing things I neither said of agree with. I do have to thank you for your lighthearted comment about morals as I seem to recall you specifically attacked my use of the term, but perhaps since you dictate what people can think and write on here I guess I will just have to assume you have no valid response so you just go back to a standard response like everyone has come to expect from a media/publicity department of a large corporation which is certainly evident here.

    Just for those people who are not regular RJ forum contributers, Timm55 is an openly HIV poz man who claims his viral load is undetectable. As I would rather become celibate than have sex with him, I choose to believe him. Timm55 is also a strong advocate for Prep and testing more, all sounds good so far but wait... Timm55 is also an unabashed fan of BB sex Misrepresentation of the facts. 53% of Gay men do NOT use condoms. If we don't include a HIV risk reduction for comdomless sex there will never be a end to HIV. and he believes that HIV Poz men have a right to keep their current sexual health status to themselves even if they are intending to and then go ahead with BB sex Simply not true. I AM open and honest about my status. But I think HIV laws are . outdated and the "crime" of HIV does not reflect the penalty. see DOJ Best Practices Guide to Reform HIV-Specific Criminal Laws to Align with Scientifically
    -Supported Factors
    https://www.aids.gov/federal-resources/national-hiv-aids-strategy/doj-hiv-criminal-law-best-practices-guide.pdfwhich he prefers it being called Condomless sex. (as the CDC refers to it) Timm55 with his advocacy for BB and for Truvada as Prep to be taken by most if not all gay men, (1 in 4 as recommended by the CDC) he has claimed that Undetectable Viral Load Poz men are the safest to sleep with and that Gay men should be sleeping with such men. Well, YES!
    5 Reasons Why TasP is the Best HIV Prevention Methodma.
    http://www.hivplusmag.com/treatment/2016/3/11/5-reasons-why-tasp-best-hiv-prevention-method#slide-2

    I fully understand that a lot of people can not "go there" at this point. There is still a lot of fear and stigma


    Timm55 likes to research studies on the internet (I suspect his ghost righter (do you mean writer????) does this for him in reality from the Gillie ad Pharmaceutical Marketing department) and he particularly enjoys posting information derived from studies where the results show statistics with condoms having low proficiency (efficacy not proficiency) and Prep and other Gilleaad science developed products as being above what the company themselves states as the statistics for people using Prep live in the community. Timm55 seems to believe (you obviously haven't a clue, even though I've stated my ideas many times) yet by creating enough doubt over the proficiency of condoms, people will have no other choice with their sex lives and turn to BB sex on (????WTF!) Prep instead recognising that the use of Prep as a prevention of HIV was not developed to change people at away from Condom use, but to provide some protection for those who otherwise use no protection from STI's. (WTF, that makes no sense. PrEP doesn't prevent STIs!) But don't just believe me, read his profile postings where he clearly states then re-enforces those practices as best practice for protecting our sexual health. Timm55 all that I ask is that you be honest and declare your sponsorship or kick back scheme to increase the market of those who would like to start taking Prep. (idiot there is no scheme. no agenda, ART and PrEP work. It's that simple....and as I said it's saved my life and millions more) . Timm55 knows that if you are not making your self a cum dump or taking massive risk for 'the thrill of it'or BB with strangers of any HIV Status, your chances of aquiring HIV are low ????? so the support for BB is an integral part of his stealth campaign.


    You show you stigma by calling Gay men "cum dumps" and "sluts" if they do something you do not approve of. I don't care if we just do oral, rubbing, J/O, fuck, FF, if or they do it once a month or twice a day. It's not up to you! Slut shaming doesn't help decrease the behavior you despise. People will have condomless sex! Do I prefer it? Hell yes! But I have condoms available and there is more to my repertoire!

    Bitch get off your high horse. You're just going to fall anyway.
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    Oct 13, 2016 10:58 PM GMT
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said

    Timm55 said"I'm a LTS, a LONG TERM SURVIVOR of HIV/AIDS. Without question ART has saved my life and millions more. That is why I know it works.
    For you to imply anything else is pure fabrication and an attempt to diminish the benefits of ART and PrEP. Lying about something that saves lives and prevents HIV is IMHO criminal. Certainly morally bankrupt."

    Well once again Timm55 you have gone off on a tangent attributing things I neither said of agree with. .


    It wasn't a tangent. I was responding to your "Actually Timm55 I worked out long ago you a plant from Gillead or at least getting kick backs., better if you declare it but your perogative buddy." Why you think Gilead is bad, I don't know. other than being ridiculously expensive and opportunists, I separate what good the meds actually do. If you want to discuss profiteering I'm all ears.

    So now you don't think I'm a plant or working for Gilead?
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    Oct 16, 2016 2:03 AM GMT
    [So now you don't think I'm a plant or working for Gilead? [/quote]

    No. your right, I'm certain you are. As for Gillead, I have no beef with them, but I am aware that all Pharmaceutical Company's pay for or provide kickbacks and sometimes practical assistance to promote their products on social media. You show all the classic signs of being one of those people so I am calling you on it. That doesn't make Gillead bad or worse than any other company at least, however it's about the credibility of your rants in that they are not your own and some may have even been written for you. Evidence of the overly expensive quip you made is that Australia refused to make Prep eligible for the Australian Federal medication Scheme called the PBS. They stated they believed at the current price it doesn't provide value for money for the tax payers dollar. Of course in order to not have people like me call out to the other forum readers, Gillead of course needs to make sure you appear to be just another contributer so the ocassional critisism does help that out. They wouldn't want to have a standard industry practice be known to the general public or in some cases the site monitors who may in some cases ban that person from posting or even being a member of that site
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    Oct 16, 2016 9:14 PM GMT
    You are starting to sound like Donald Trump.........throw whatever shit you can and see if it sticks. Now if Gilead wanted to pay me for my testimonial about ART/TasP, I'd still do it for nothing!

    You say "Evidence of the overly expensive quip you made is that Australia refused to make Prep eligible for the Australian Federal medication Scheme called the PBS."

    A rather contentious policy within Australia.



    Australia adopts ambitious plan to use PrEP to ‘virtually eliminate’ HIV by 2020


    Iryna Zablotska of the University of New South Wales told the 21st International AIDS Conference (AIDS 2016) that in order to meet the needs of an estimated 14,000 users, the PrEP roll-out would initially at least be in the form of scientific implementation studies conducted by at least three of the individual Australian states. This would enable state governments to subsidise the drug costs. The New South Wales programme was launched under the name of EPIC-NSW in March, and the programme in Victoria, under the name PrEPX, in June. One in Queensland is due to start soon.

    http://www.aidsmap.com/Australia-adopts-ambitious-plan-to-use-PrEP-to-virtually-eliminate-HIV-by-2020/page/3073611/


    AFAO Chief Executive Officer Darryl O’Donnell expressed disappointment at today’s announcement which restricts access to PrEP among those who need it. “People are needlessly getting HIV while we wait for access to this prevention pill,” Mr O’Donnell said.

    “The Australian Government has made a world-leading commitment to virtually end HIV transmission in Australia by 2020. We can do this together if we have access to the best prevention tools of which PrEP is pivotal. We won’t reach the Australian Government’s goal without PrEP being subsidised through the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme.”


    https://www.afao.org.au/news/hiv-prevention-pill-rejected-by-drug-funding-committee


    Sounds like you and PBS think it's OK for Gay men to needlessly get HIV. Again, I find you position morally bankrupt.

    But saner minds will not be dissuaded.

    “Without Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme listing, many potential users of PrEP will not be able to afford to take the medication. We have strongly advocated for the introduction of PrEP into Australia and we will continue to fight for this critical medication to be funded,” Senator Di Natale said.

    “We simply cannot leave Australians unnecessarily at risk, so we are committing $8.7 million to fund supply of PrEP to high-risk Australians not currently in clinical trials and we will commit an additional $25.7 million as a safety net for high-risk users to continue the drug after clinical trials finish,”
    Senator Di Natale said.

    http://greens.org.au/news/vic/australian-greens-guarantee-funding-critical-hiv-prevention-drug

    Is PrEP and ART too expensive? YES, absolutely. The pharmaceutical companies have already made their billions. I think it's high time for some largess from pharms.
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    Oct 18, 2016 2:25 AM GMT
    http://greens.org.au/news/vic/australian-greens-guarantee-funding-critical-hiv-prevention-drug

    1. If the Australian Green Party where in power Australia's economy would descend the capability for Australia to afford any medical services as the Greens since their founder Bob Brown (An openly Gay man who was well respected and kept the extrimists in his party in check which no longer the case since he retired after long career in Federal Politics)
    2. ART is actually covered and NSW Health has made medication for those who are have been diagnosed and seeing medical supervison of their medication regime.
    3. Australia has made significant cutbacks in many areas of the budget, not saying I necessarily agree with it but its the reality. In that environment it would seem very odd to provide an expensive subsidy to essentially a small section of the community who have other means of access to that medication should they choose to take it. You have made it clear that you don't like the fact that the proper use of condoms and a change in the Gay Commuinty's attitude toward having sex the way they want yet wanting everybody else to pick up the tab just because they can't be bothered to take simple precautions. Don't bother quoting your agenda ridden statistical manipulations, the fact is that this medication is appropriate for a small at risk group who are a minority within a minority.
    4. There are already schemes that target those people at the highest risk. They are going to continue providing Prep to those at most risk and its provided within the same guidelines which the CDC in your country and Gilead Pharmaceuticals have agreed is the most effective use within the population of people who are at risk.
    5. You attempt to demonise me as against Prep, but if you have any intelligence at all you would have worked out that I believe that by spreading the use of this medication to people who are at low risk, the paradoxical reverse is likely to occur, meaning that those persons would be more likely to become reliant on Prep as their only means of protection, leading to a severe increase in other STI's and even worse, their will become an ingrained BB culture which encourages sex with no responsibility. On top of that, the fact is that the greater number of people who are prescribed a particular medication, that small percentage that won't take the medication as prescribed becomes a larger number. When that occurs the opportunity for drug resistant strain to occur and begin to spread will create a new problem.
    6. PEP which is the post exposure prophelaxis treatment for those people think they have been exposed to HIV and seek treatment within 72 hrs is free and available through GP's and Hospitals
    7. You're angle on Prep is clearly more about what you percieve as the right for HIV poz men to have BB sex with HIV neg men just as most of them do with other POZ men. I conclude that because you continuously look to pour scorn on any suggestion of other methods of protection and you are a unapologetic fan of the idea that all Gay Men should be having BB sex. Dress that up anyway you want, many, many people have said this even on Forums I have not commented on at all where you have made it clear what you think everyone should do.
    8. Your un-wavering support of Prep and ART and your campaign to ridicule condom use and to aggressively demonise any mention of men taking responsbililty for thier sexual practices eg. being more selective about how many sexual partners, taking the time to ask or check on someone sexual health, using condoms, for regular partners asking questions about their Prep use ongoing if that is what they are doing. This also leads me to be sure you are receiving support and kickbacks from Gilead Pharmaceuticals as they could see your agenda and how they could use your online presence to further the message regarding their products
    9. The Gay Community needs to accept that Anal Sex will always have sexual health risks and that we all need to be mindful of those risks to ourselves and others.
    10. Access to free/cheap Testing everywhere as without this no reduction is possible. Unfortunately the USA is unlikely to implement this so I would suggest anybody from the USA should keep this in mind before criticizing which has been quick and decisive and most effective since the HIV AIds crisis first hit. That makes me proud of my Country. Maybe you should be lobbying Congress to provide sexual health clinics from federal funds or split costs with the states.

    Question for you Timm55 and other RJ members,
    Does your country or state, provide tax payer funded access to medication??? I suspect none in the USA and very few through individual states within the USA. Not sure about other countries but happy to hear about them.

    The elimination of HIV will NOT and I repeat NOT occur by throwing public money at Prep alone. There needs to be a number of strategies implemented and coordination between services and levels of government and some concession from Pharmaceutical Companies involved in manufacturing the medications just like their is between the state and federal health services and the condom manufactures. You believe Prep in all that is needed despite your occasional concession that other means of protection are valid as well

    Is PrEP and ART too expensive? YES, absolutely. The pharmaceutical companies have already made their billions. I think it's high time for some largess from pharms. [/quote]

    Agree with you about medication being to expensive

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    Oct 18, 2016 8:47 PM GMT
    No of course PrEP ALONE won't do it. Neither will ART. Neither will condoms.

    Ryan White is federally funded. If you don't have insurance coverage, or are middle income there are programs available. CDC says 1 in 4 Gay men in the US should be on PrEP.

    The rest of your BS is 10 points of stupidity.

    I've been dating someone for 6 months now. He is also POZ and Undetectable. Two years ago his t-cells were 40. Now they are 700 (low normal). No I have no interest in dating uniformed Negative men. AT ALL. That claim is scurrilous. As I have said before Negative men are a legal danger to POZ people, those that are vindictive and uniformed. It can lead to a prison sentence even if no transmission occurs. (see Rhodes vs Iowa). I'm not going to jai for dumb fucks like you!

    I've said it 1,000,000 times, if condoms were so good why didn't it stop AIDS by 1993? It's relatively mediocre 70% was enough to perpetuate AIDS. 70% is better than no protection, but over 2, 4, 6, 8 10 years that 30% mounts up (no pun intended). Condoms, even 100% of the time has resulted in at least 200,000 cases of HIV transmission. Condoms HAVE NOT prevented HIV any where near 100%......no matter how you try to defend them.

    As far a "BB Agenda" do what's good for you. If you are happy with 100% condom use, by all means do so. If you don't like or want anal sex..........DON'T DO IT!!!!

    You are obsessed with your morality. You think people need to conform to YOUR interpretation. Rampant this or that slut shaming that. I'm not part of your equation. I'm not infectious, nor is my partner. All your name calling is silly. No, we do not use condoms......get over it! My last partner (Neg on PrEP) refused to use condoms...I offered many times. Now, we are moving towards monogamy, even though we haven't made that agreement yet. If nothing else for STIs.

    Yes the costs of PrEP and ART are high. But the cost of HIV infections are much higher. If Ronald Reagan, our president who laughed about AIDS early on, had taken measures then it wouldn't be the problem it is now. His negligence affected the world over. What may have seem like a lot of money then has cost the world trillions of dollars since.

    The investigators assumed that the cost per year for PrEP—including the cost of Truvada and blood tests, clinic staff wages, the economic impact of missed work for clinic visits, and free condoms—was 12,000 Canadian dollars. Assuming an individual starts HIV treatment immediately after contracting the virus, the lifetime cost for treatment, using the cheapest available regimen, would be CA$1.44 million. Then, factoring in the estimate that 52 people (according to iPrEx) would need to take PrEP for one year to prevent one infection, the researchers calculated that an averted infection would cost CA$621,000. Consequently, PrEP saves CA$819,000 for each infection averted.


    https://www.poz.com/article/PrEP-cost-savings-27048-2011



    You make a point about drug resistance and PrEP. That is why it has to be done under a doctor's care. PrEP needs to be taken regularly, at least 5x a week. Unlike condom that have be used 100%. "Sometimes" condom use is no better than "Not at ALL'. If not they can be infected with HIV.......where they need to go on ART. There is not a wide resistance to PrEP......one reason I am against PrEP by mail, even if under a doctor's supervision.
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    Oct 18, 2016 8:52 PM GMT
    TIMinPS saidNo of course PrEP ALONE won't do it. Neither will ART. Neither will condoms.

    Ryan White is federally funded. If you don't have insurance coverage, or are middle income there are programs available. CDC says 1 in 4 Gay men in the US should be on PrEP.

    The rest of your BS is 10 points of stupidity.


    So your claiming what is Federally funded?? Free testing?? Prep?? Both???

    As for you accusing me of stupidity, I don't write your posts so I can't be blamed for you lack of intelligence
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    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said
    TIMinPS saidNo of course PrEP ALONE won't do it. Neither will ART. Neither will condoms.

    Ryan White is federally funded. If you don't have insurance coverage, or are middle income there are programs available. CDC says 1 in 4 Gay men in the US should be on PrEP.

    The rest of your BS is 10 points of stupidity.


    So your claiming what is Federally funded?? Free testing?? Prep?? Both???

    As for you accusing me of stupidity, I don't write your posts so I can't be blamed for you lack of intelligence


    Yes, you are a fucking idiot. You say I'm "manipulating" when I provide links (I call them facts). But you could have searched "Ryan White PrEP" yourself. Too fucking lazy or stupid, both????
    https://careacttarget.org/library/ryan-white-hivaids-program-and-prep
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    Nov 03, 2016 9:56 AM GMT
    TIMinPS said
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said
    TIMinPS saidNo of course PrEP ALONE won't do it. Neither will ART. Neither will condoms.

    Ryan White is federally funded. If you don't have insurance coverage, or are middle income there are programs available. CDC says 1 in 4 Gay men in the US should be on PrEP.

    The rest of your BS is 10 points of stupidity.


    So your claiming what is Federally funded?? Free testing?? Prep?? Both???



    As for you accusing me of stupidity, I don't write your posts so I can't be blamed for you lack of intelligence


    Yes, you are a fucking idiot. You say I'm "manipulating" when I provide links (I call them facts). But you could have searched "Ryan White PrEP" yourself. Too fucking lazy or stupid, both????
    https://careacttarget.org/library/ryan-white-hivaids-program-and-prep


    I guess Gillead science gave you the tap on the shoulder that the jig is up huh? About time