DID MELANIA TRUMP PLAGIARIZE MICHELLE OBAMA'S 2008 SPEECH? Your Thoughts.

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    Jul 19, 2016 12:12 PM GMT
    I commend Melania for having the guts to deliver a speech at the RNC event in her second (or third?) language. I think she did a fairly decent job. However, many people are now saying that segments of her speech were plagiarized from Michelle Obama's 2008 speech. My sense is that there were major similarities between the two speeches. Whether they were deliberate or not, I'm not sure. Melania did say, however, that she did most of the drafting when she was interviewed before she delivered her speech. You decide.

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    Jul 19, 2016 12:46 PM GMT
    As you note she's not from here. So probably she has us confused with Australia.

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    She practiced Michelle's speech while at Theft Plaza, sipping Theft Wine and feeding Theft Meats to the dog.

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    There's an RJepublican who often plagiarizes to try and pass the labors of others off as his own thinking. Stealing seems to be a GOP thang.

    It's a good example of the type of dishonesty, lack of decent ethics that America should expect from the Trump camp.

    It wasn't enough that the Republicans got the Supremes to steal the presidency for them. Now they are flaunting their thief in America's face.

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    Jul 19, 2016 1:48 PM GMT
    DOMINUS said... Melania did say, however, that she did most of the drafting when she was interviewed before she delivered her speech. You decide.>


    M Trump was somewhere between drunk and high at the time and lip synced the whole speech. Didnt read the speech until the teleprompter and got paid $500,000 for the appearance.
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    Jul 19, 2016 2:18 PM GMT
    I thought Melania did a great job and came off really well. She's incredibly beautiful. It is unfortunate that this all got lost in the whole "Did She/Didn't She Plagiarize" fiasco. I feel really bad for Melania as I am sure she is mortified that this happened and put a damper on the whole night. Yes, there were several lines that were similar, but they are also common lines used often in speeches, so whether this was an unfortunate coincidence or outright plagiarism --- Who knows? All I do know is that this will all blow over just like other plagiarism accusations did with Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Barack Obama. It's just not THAT important in the grand scheme of things.
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    Jul 19, 2016 2:22 PM GMT
    Before the speech, Matt Lauer asked her if she had spent much time practicing.
    She quickly said "No, because I wrote the speech myself with only a little help from others."

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    Jul 19, 2016 2:42 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI thought Melania did a great job and came off really well. She's incredibly beautiful. It is unfortunate that this all got lost in the whole "Did She/Didn't She Plagiarize" fiasco. I feel really bad for Melania as I am sure she is mortified that this happened and put a damper on the whole night. Yes, there were several lines that were similar, but they are also common lines used often in speeches, so whether this was an unfortunate coincidence or outright plagiarism --- Who knows? All I do know is that this will all blow over just like other plagiarism accusations did with Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Barack Obama. It's just not THAT important in the grand scheme of things.


    It was two paragraphs. The talking points in response are to argue that they are commonly used words or that it was just a line or two are just bunk. If you read the two side by side it is pretty clear that one was the source for the other.

    That said, I agree that it will blow over but how long that will depend on how it is handled. Digging in and denying that it was plagiarized will only drag this out. This is an opportunity for Trump's organization to show leadership and admit a mistake was made and then hold those that made the mistake accountable. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the route they are going. Denying that it happened and claiming she wrote it is only going to drag this out longer.

    I'm also with you in being empathetic towards her. Public speaking isn't a skill she has ever really needed, English isn't her first language and she has been put in this situation due to the choices of her husband. I think it is weak that people are turning this into personal attacks on her. The story isn't about her. It is more about how the Trump organization let it happen and how they are going to respond to it.
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    Jul 19, 2016 2:45 PM GMT
    Ultimately this "Milaniagate" will blow over, the only question is how long it's going to fester and detract from Trump's campaign. I compared the speeches again and the similarities in some of the segments were eerie. I agree that, substantively, two people can have the same thoughts. BUT, using basically the same language almost verbatim to express similar thoughts is improbable (although not necessarily impossible). This is not like saying, for example, "I love my country" or "America is great"--phrases that are ubiquitous and commonly used. I wish that Manafort and his cabal would just fess up and find where the failure occurred, and rectify it, instead of denying something that looks quite obvious.
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    Jul 19, 2016 3:03 PM GMT
    This thievery detract? Really? From what? From the candidate for president who's declared "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters"? You wanna rethink that?
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    Jul 19, 2016 3:32 PM GMT
    She's just like her orange skinned husband, she'll lie and steal to satisfy their means to an end.
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    Jul 19, 2016 3:50 PM GMT
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    mybud saidShe's just like her orange skinned husband, she'll lie and steal to satisfy their means to an end.


    You just described Hillary, except her husband is grey skinned.
    The Trump's are like spiders...They continue to spin lies to take in their non under educated supporters. The Trump's will suck out their humanity and they will never see it coming.
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    Jul 19, 2016 4:38 PM GMT
    Jokes.. All of em.
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    Jul 19, 2016 5:12 PM GMT
    Lyin' Donald and Lyin' Melania, go together like conceit and megalomania.
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    Jul 19, 2016 6:38 PM GMT
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/13/politics/donald-trump-joe-biden-plagiarism/Donald Trump knocks Joe Biden for plagiarism in law school

    ..."I think I'd matchup great. I'm a job producer. I've had a great record, I haven't been involved in plagiarism. I think I would match up very well against him," Trump told conservative talk show host Hugh Hewitt on Wednesday night.
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    Jul 19, 2016 8:15 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidLyin' Donald and Lyin' Melania, go together like conceit and megalomania.


    To me the word "slimy" is more descriptive and resonant, at least with respect to Donald (I'm going to exempt Melania for now as I don't really know much about her)--thus, "Slimy Donald".

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    Jul 20, 2016 8:48 PM GMT
    When you're caught red handed and you've blamed Hillary Clinton and there's nowhere else to hide...

    Trump Campaign Admits to Plagiarizing Obama Speech

    CLEVELAND -- Donald Trump’s campaign admitted Wednesday to inadvertently stealing from Michelle Obama’s 2008 convention speech when preparing Melania Trump’s remarks to the GOP convention Monday night.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/07/20/trump_campaign_admits_to_plagiarizing_obama_speech_131252.html
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    Jul 21, 2016 2:01 PM GMT
    It's comical how Manafort continued to deny the Melania plagiarism even as McIver, the appointed scapegoat, was publicly circulating her mea culpa letter written on the Trump organization's stationery. I honestly think that there's deep and overwhelming psychopathology in the Trump campaign.
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    Jul 21, 2016 3:29 PM GMT

    Plagiarism? Well it's not unheard of in politics....

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    Jul 21, 2016 4:44 PM GMT
    desertmuscl said
    Plagiarism? Well it's not unheard of in politics....


    I haven't looked over all of that highly informative meme, but I know I was disappointed in Biden, who I otherwise like. I don't know how that would play on my mind were he to have run for pres.

    Some of what people think might be plagiarism has simply become part of the vernacular (It was a dark and stormy night) or is actually honoring the original writer. For instance, how many other songs refer back to Major Tom without overtly crediting Bowie yet honoring the author without ripping off authorship.

    In the many cases where you plagiarize, it is absolute thievery so your commenting by meme on the supposed plagiarism of others by no means alleviates you of your own trespasses.

    To one you show which I did randomly bother to google, here's what I found:

    http://www.snopes.com/michelle-obama-copied-her-2008-dnc-speech-from-saul-alinsky/After Melania Trump was accused of plagiarizing Michelle Obama's 2008 DNC speech at the 2016 RNC, several sites claimed the FLOTUS herself has plagiarized Saul Alinsky...

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    WHAT'S TRUE: A portion of a single sentence from Michelle Obama's 2008 DNC speech bore resemblance to a single line from Saul Alinsky's book "Rules for Radicals."

    WHAT'S FALSE: Substantial portions of Michelle Obama's 2008 DNC speech echoed concepts and phrasing taken from "Rules for Radicals."


    And it's not just a matter of how much content was taken, but also the context used. For instance, sometimes you just copy paste from others into your own sentence or paragraph where it doesn't even follow what other thoughts you might have had. So in that you not only--even if not your intent--try to make yourself look smarter with words that are not yours, when instead it comes out as disjointed, particularly when you've used someone else's words wrongly, when they don't even really apply.

    Also with regard to context, there's a big difference between, say someone turning a phrase used by someone else and applying it aptly to a new situation or circumstance and someone misappropriating and misapplying while failing to credit. Also there would be a difference between, say, Michelle using the studied words of someone she might admire and the Lady is a Trump using the words of someone who she'd never invite over for dinner. You see the subtle difference?

    One's borrowing. The other is stealing.
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    Jul 21, 2016 5:07 PM GMT
    theantijock said
    I haven't looked over all of that highly informative meme, but I know I was disappointed in Biden, who I otherwise like. I don't know how that would play on my mind were he to have run for pres.


    Probably another offering from memesfordumbrightwingers.com, given the creator couldn't spell "Neil Kinnock" or (more surprisingly) "Massachusetts" correctly.
  • Henryd

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    Jul 22, 2016 2:45 PM GMT
    Do you think that the ulitmate plagiarism will be from someone who gets some great inspiration from Donald Trump speech, might be by a democrate politician???
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    Jul 22, 2016 4:22 PM GMT
    Henryd saidDo you think that the ulitmate plagiarism will be from someone who gets some great inspiration from Donald Trump speech, might be by a democrate politician???

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