Who thinks Turkey faked its coup?

  • jlars12

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    Jul 20, 2016 2:55 AM GMT
    There's just too many red flags for me.

    -Having the coup while the president is away on holiday
    -Rebel fighter jets merely "harrassed" the president's plane but didn't shoot it down - reason, were told it was a Turkish Airlines flight, even though his Gulfstream is much smaller
    -Incendiary actions that achieve nothing, like blocking traffic on one of two bridges, shooting at civilians, and bombing the parliament building - great for creating the illusion of a coup, and perfect for NOT getting the people on your side,
    -Rebels did not work with existing anti-government groups, unlike just about every other coup
    -Soldiers thought they were doing training exercises
    -No figurehead to rally around?? Who is gonna support this?
  • Apparition

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    Jul 20, 2016 3:03 AM GMT
    was brilliant
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    Jul 20, 2016 5:13 AM GMT
    I believe it is all CIA.
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    Jul 20, 2016 5:33 AM GMT
    Me.
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    Jul 20, 2016 2:34 PM GMT
    I'm just sitting here wondering when countries will start making the safety and health of their people a priority.. I absolutely think it was a fake. Politics are becoming so predictable.
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    Jul 20, 2016 3:19 PM GMT
    Possible, since it gave the dictator a chance to jail and fire a lot more of those who did not support him (about 50,000 in the last few days) - he has a lot more power now than he ever did before. Sort of the Venezuela of the mideast (except the country is far from bankrupt). But I doubt that the coup was really fake - just terribly bungled (if you're taking over a government, you really have to catch or kill the leader first) And here, the coup fighters are going to be in prison for a long time or be killed.
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    Jul 20, 2016 3:38 PM GMT
    jlars12 saidThere's just too many red flags for me.

    -Having the coup while the president is away on holiday
    -Rebel fighter jets merely "harrassed" the president's plane but didn't shoot it down - reason, were told it was a Turkish Airlines flight, even though his Gulfstream is much smaller
    -Incendiary actions that achieve nothing, like blocking traffic on one of two bridges, shooting at civilians, and bombing the parliament building - great for creating the illusion of a coup, and perfect for NOT getting the people on your side,
    -Rebels did not work with existing anti-government groups, unlike just about every other coup
    -Soldiers thought they were doing training exercises
    -No figurehead to rally around?? Who is gonna support this?


    VERY REASONABLE. I'd like to see your "red flags" explored in detail.
    Can you cite some sources?

    In many ways this looks like an enormous sting operation carried out by Erdogan to find out who might support a coup, to entrap dissenters.
  • Destinharbor

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    Jul 20, 2016 4:11 PM GMT
    No. The President had been shrinking democratic institutions for a while and pushing the country towards Islamic theocracy but the guy behind the coup is a very old guy living in the Pocanos here who fled about 20 years ago after setting up a network of schools to achieve the same goals as this President, moving the Country towards theocracy. Because of the schools, he created a huge network of followers that this President was on the brink of chasing down so the President pre-empted the crackdown. Both are against the secular concept of state and both were vying for primacy. They've been political rivals for decades. It was just a botched coup because he saw he had run out of time. Besides, the Imam in the US is 86? or some such age.

    So it wasn't faked but is is ultimately going to have the same effect. And it will be bad for NATO.
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    Jul 20, 2016 4:57 PM GMT
    Definitely was a Self Coup. So the president can rule as the undisputed ruler of Turkey. It was fake from the word go.

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    Jul 20, 2016 5:16 PM GMT
    I'm not usually inclined toward conspiracy theories, but I could be persuaded this one is true. The only thing that makes me think it wasn't faked is that, in staging a fake coup (in that country and in those circumstances) there would have been a real risk it could have turned into a real coup. I don't think Erdoğan would take that risk. He's another Putin - he loves to play the tough guy while insulating himself from any real personal risk.
  • Corby

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    Jul 20, 2016 9:17 PM GMT
    I would not say fake but I'm quite sure that president knew about it. Why he didn't ward it!? ...now he has "official" reason combat opposition, it will soon be complete dictatorship!
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    Jul 20, 2016 11:58 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidI'm not usually inclined toward conspiracy theories, but I could be persuaded this one is true. The only thing that makes me think it wasn't faked is that, in staging a fake coup (in that country and in those circumstances) there would have been a real risk it could have turned into a real coup. I don't think Erdoğan would take that risk. He's another Putin Trump- he loves to play the tough guy while insulating himself from any real personal risk.


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    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/opinion/trump-and-the-sultan.html?_r=0

    Turkey is a long way from Cleveland, where the Republicans are holding their presidential convention. But I’d urge you to study the recent failed military coup against Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. America is not Turkey — but in terms of personality and political strategy, Erdogan and Donald Trump were separated at birth.

    And the drama playing out in Turkey today is the story of just how off track a once successful country can get when a leader who demonizes all his rivals and dabbles in crazy conspiracy theories comes to believe that he alone is The Man — the only one who can make his country great again — and ensconces himself in power.

    Anyone who has been following Turkey closely knows that Erdogan has been mounting a silent, drip-by-drip coup of his own against Turkish democracy for years — jailing reporters, hounding rivals with giant tax bills, reviving an internal war against Turkish Kurds to stoke nationalist passions to propel his efforts to grab more powers — and by generally making himself into a modern-day sultan for life....

    The maturity of the Turkish people resulted in Erdogan’s getting what golfers call a mulligan, or a do-over, to demonstrate that he is committed to the universal precepts of democracy. Will he? Or will Erdogan go right back to his preferred means of staying in power: dividing Turks into his supporters and enemies of the state, weaving conspiracy theories and using the failed coup as a license for a witch hunt, not only for plotters but for anyone who has dared to cross his path?

    The early signs are bad....

    Trump relies on the same tactics: He fabricates facts and figures on an industrial scale. He regularly puts out conspiracy theories — his latest is that President Obama’s “body language” suggests that “there’s something going on”...

    Trump also relies on the us-versus-them bond with his followers to avoid punishment for any of his misbehavior. He, too, is obsessed with his own prowess, and he uses Twitter to get around traditional media gatekeepers — and fact-checkers — to inject anything he wants into the nation’s media bloodstream....

    If Trump is elected, I don’t think there will be a military coup, but I guarantee you that Jeb Bush’s prediction will be proved true, that he’ll be “a chaos president” just as he’s been a “chaos candidate.”... a man who lies as he breathes, who has not done an ounce of homework to prepare for the job and who generates support by conspiracy theories and making people afraid of the future and one another.

    If you like what’s going on in Turkey today, you’ll love Trump’s America.


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    Jul 21, 2016 12:41 AM GMT
    Turkey is becoming more secular, not less
    Total fake!
    He set his OWN muslim citizens up so he could weed out the liberals who want a less secular government.

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/03/turkey-is-getting-more-secular.html

    Welcome to the real ISLAMIC STATE. They own him. ALso Islam is NOT the religion of peace! WAKE UP GUYS! These radicals are far worse than your baptist preacher....LOL they will kill you and get away with it
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    Jul 21, 2016 1:31 AM GMT
    2BFree saidicon_biggrin.gif These radicals are far worse than your baptist preacher.
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    Jul 21, 2016 3:59 AM GMT
    I am terrified this goat fucker Erdogan will consolidate his power and now he become an authoritarian dictator. Now, he has arrested 50,000 generals , teachers, university vice rectors and others in his crackdown.

    He wants to turn Turkey into Iran.

    My only hope is the young generation has access to facebook, twitter and social media. Globalization is keeping their minds open to ideas of progress, universal human rights, womens rights and freedom of thought.

    Long Live the Secular Turkish Republic!
  • trvlmscl

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    Jul 21, 2016 8:19 AM GMT
    I don't think religion is the common problem. Has anyone noticed that nearly all of the world's tyrants are grumpy men over 60?
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    Jul 21, 2016 1:55 PM GMT
    trvlmscl saidI don't think religion is the common problem. Has anyone noticed that nearly all of the world's tyrants are grumpy men over 60?


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    Jul 21, 2016 5:20 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidI'm not usually inclined toward conspiracy theories, but I could be persuaded this one is true. The only thing that makes me think it wasn't faked is that, in staging a fake coup (in that country and in those circumstances) there would have been a real risk it could have turned into a real coup. I don't think Erdoğan would take that risk. He's another Putin Trump- he loves to play the tough guy while insulating himself from any real personal risk.


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    Well yeah. Lyin' Donald loves Putin and Putin loves Lyin' Donald.

    Meet the Tyrant Donald Trump Loves the Most
    http://time.com/4397022/donald-trump-vladimir-putin/

    Why Putin Loves Trump
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/13/opinion/why-putin-loves-trump.html
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    Jul 22, 2016 5:57 AM GMT
    bighairymuscles saidI am terrified this goat fucker Erdogan will consolidate his power and now he become an authoritarian dictator. Now, he has arrested 50,000 generals , teachers, university vice rectors and others in his crackdown.

    He wants to turn Turkey into Iran.

    My only hope is the young generation has access to facebook, twitter and social media. Globalization is keeping their minds open to ideas of progress, universal human rights, women's rights and freedom of thought.

    Long Live the Secular Turkish Republic!


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  • Dynamo_spark

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    Jul 22, 2016 6:57 AM GMT
    I don't think it was faked or staged. Why would an entire government put fear into the hearts of an otherwise peaceful nation?
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    Jul 22, 2016 7:57 AM GMT
    ^^

    Sort of like the "weapons of mass destruction" thingie?

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    Jul 22, 2016 4:06 PM GMT
    Dynamo_spark saidI don't think it was faked or staged. Why would an entire government put fear into the hearts of an otherwise peaceful nation?


    Why indeed? For an authoritarian ruler to consolidate his power by eliminating all opposition - furthering his movement toward totalitarianism.. You think Erdogan would care in the slightest about fear in his country? Did he actually fake it? No one knows for sure. He could have, and he had the motive. The CIA undoubtedly knows, but as always, they aren't saying anything.

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    Jul 22, 2016 7:54 PM GMT
    Well when you're Saudi Arabia's bitch by helping create terrorists & take all the refugees that follow... Ermagoden wants to set Turkey back into a third world Islamic mess, so when I heard the coup was occurring I thought "good" Ermagoden needs to get outta here but then I saw the fear tactics being used on its citizens instead of the actual president who wasn't even there. That was to demonize secularism in the country so of course it was a false flag operation. Secular countries all over Europe are being tainted by Islam, has anybody noticed? A more secular population doesn't benefit these warmongers destroying the Middle East. Just look at "Christian" America and how they let this fabricated war on terror proceed.
  • jlars12

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    Jul 28, 2016 1:24 AM GMT
    Wikileaks is apparently about to release a pile of info that might suggest that the coup was staged...
  • tj85016

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    Jul 28, 2016 1:27 AM GMT
    there is zero doubt Erdoğan staged his own coup