Black Trump Voter Destroys "Black Lives Matter"

  • ANTiSociaLiNJ...

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    Jul 20, 2016 5:03 AM GMT
    I thought this gentleman made an excellent point about Obama being our first black American president yet we're more racially divided than we've been in decades. I thought this was a good video. Apparently, not all black Americans stand behind BLM.

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    Jul 20, 2016 5:07 AM GMT
    It looks like that dude just bought a new hat. lol

    My personal opinion, all lives matter!
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    Jul 20, 2016 5:13 AM GMT
    JPGC2007 said

    My personal opinion, all lives matter!


    I share your sentiment 100%. icon_razz.gif
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    Jul 20, 2016 4:14 PM GMT
    InfoWars.com? That's where you go for "news"? Really? This piece of shit?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio_host)...known by many media outlets as a conspiracy theorist...

    ...has accused the U.S. government of being involved in the Oklahoma City bombing,[13] the September 11 attacks[14] and the filming of fake Moon landings...

    ...Mainstream media sources have described Jones as a conservative, a right-wing conspiracy theorist...

    ...the Southern Poverty Law Center describes him as "the most prolific conspiracy theorist in contemporary America...


    Good luck with that.

    To the claim of being more racially divided since Obama as if he caused a division or even as if being more divided is even real or just a misguided perception by some (not unlike how Trump might project that crime is worsening--make America what?--in a period when stats show crime down), what are the objective measures of that? Is there a mathematically correct race relations index which accounts for all the actual (as opposed to merely perceived) aspects be they economics, matters of opportunity, educational access, violence within and between communities, interracial marriages, wage disparities, intermixed communities, etc, etc whatever might be all those many factors. And all of that reduces down to some sauce that has been measured in a consistent way over decades to produce this index which might conveniently show race relations have deteriorated during the tenure of a black president? Really? Or do you just go over to infowars who's glad to tell you what to think because they are, what, looking out for your best interests?

    So given the unique ability to google now that all our libraries have been burned to the ground, to look at data instead of propaganda, here's a few quick things I found.

    On perception, I found this Gallup

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/1687/race-relations.aspx
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    So that shows a perception of whites that race relations deteriorated beginning in 2013. Obama's presidency runs current from 2009, so is the argument that it took him four years to fuck it up? Now I'd imagine that to be president he must be fairly efficient in time management. Why did it take him so long? And it shows a perception of blacks that race relations deteriorated beginning with Bush in 2001, not improving until Obama's first term.

    When did that downhill slide start in the perceptions of whites? Oh that's 2007 to 2008. Under Bush, yes?, before improving some in Obama's 1st term, What else took place then? Wasn't that the housing crash and the Great Recession when so many jobs were lost? What were the job losses among the black population at that time of declining perception on the parts of whites of race relations compared to the losses of jobs of white folk?
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    Oh, what a surprise! Maybe that had something to do with perception? And while we're at it, why didn't people at that time blame a decline of relations on then pres Bush? Why not him then, but Obama now?

    So now back to that perception graph, What it shows is that the perception of race relations actually improved during Obama's first term, both the perception of whites (by 2 points) and of blacks (by five points). And then it declines. Why? Obama who enjoyed a perception of increasingly better race relations up until then? Or did something else happen? Let's google some more for grins...

    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2016/06/27/2-views-of-race-relations/

    So here we see a graph of perceptions overlaid on top of events and what do we find....

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    Oh, so maybe it wasn't Obama. Maybe there were other forces at play.

    Is that data reflected anywhere within the fiction infowars tells you in their propagandist version of "the news"?

    If they are right and Obama has hurt relations between the races, then why during his term has approval for interracial marriage, for our intimacies, continued to improve?

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    Where's the corresponding downturn of inter racial intimacy which would show race relations have deteriorated during Obama?

    If the data does not fit, the propagandist infowars is full of shit.
  • ANTiSociaLiNJ...

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    Jul 20, 2016 5:37 PM GMT
    ^ No need to go through all that effort just to disprove a simple interview with one man.

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    Here are more black people not affiliated with Info Wars. icon_rolleyes.gif








    This last one was very touching and hard for me to watch. icon_cry.gif

    Where was #BlackLivesMatter when this BLACK man was beaten for building up his community by BLACKS?



    I can keep posting videos like this. There are a ton of them all over the net.

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    Jul 20, 2016 5:43 PM GMT
    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior said^ No need to go through all that effort just to disprove a simple interview with one man. look at the stats

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    Here are more black people not affiliated with Info Wars. icon_rolleyes.gif examples of anecdotal "evidence".








    This last one was very touching and hard for me to watch. icon_cry.gif

    Where was #BlackLivesMatter when this BLACK man was beaten for building up his community by BLACKS?



    I can keep posting videos like this. There are a ton of them all over the net. Seeing it on the net makes it true



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  • ANTiSociaLiNJ...

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    Jul 21, 2016 4:11 AM GMT
    Anecdotal evidence?! LOL!!!!

    Do you think we're dealing with science or medical information here? God you really are desperate. It's laughable. How do you toss this at me when the whole basis of supporting or not supporting a person or a political cause is based on belief or opinion? LOL!

    Hey, everyone! I need to have "empirical evidence" to prove that not all black people support BLM . Because otherwise I'm challenging "scientific proven fact" that all blacks by default support BLM.

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    Jul 21, 2016 5:07 AM GMT
    Did you forget what you yourself wrote in your OP which is what I commented upon?

    Here, let's review, shall we...

    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior saidI thought this gentleman made an excellent point about Obama being our first black American president yet we're more racially divided than we've been in decades. I thought this was a good video. Apparently, not all black Americans stand behind BLM.


    and then you used that infowars vid to supposedly illustrate your point, right? Isn't that what you said and did?

    And then what did I do? I showed stats on race relations which regardless of your various examples, seem to indicate in some ways that relations are continuing their trend towards improvement (such as shown in the approval ratings of interracial marriage, for instance, for if relations generally suffered greatly, then wouldn't that most intimate of relations in particular suffer too?) Also I showed with stats the possibility of some set back blips along the trend which might be attributed elsewhere (economic factors, sad killings, etc.) and not due to the color of the president's skin which you noted as either cause or coincidence--and if so why the mention--in your OP when you said "being our first black president".

    Or did you simply now forget what you were talking about? Because you were not just saying, as you now pretend (or remember), that all you meant was that some black people ain't into BLM. Well, no shit. Rather, what you did was to make a statement that America is more divided now with a black president then it had been under all the whitie presidents (decades, you said) and then you went off to try and prove that one had something to do with the other when the stats seem to indicate other causes.

    Had I not read your OP, then I'd not have commented upon it. Perhaps you should read your material too. To the question do some black people not like BLM: Do some gay people not think Gay Rights are of the utmost importance?

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    Here, have a Trump in a Jar....

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  • ANTiSociaLiNJ...

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    Jul 22, 2016 1:35 AM GMT
    You're grasping at straws from one side comment I made that wasn't even the basis of my thread. But if you want to provide sources that support your disagreement I can easily find "pretty graphs" to demonstrate my assertion as well.


    According to the Washington Post:

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    Jul 22, 2016 1:49 AM GMT
    UMayNeverKnow saidI thought Bill Clinton was our first black president.


    America is still waiting for this to come to pass.
  • ANTiSociaLiNJ...

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    Jul 22, 2016 1:58 AM GMT
    Here is a portion of the gallup.com website. As you can see, since 1963 there hasn't been much change at all. Look at how whites answered the question and then look at how blacks answered the question. According to this chart, black opinion has decreased significantly with regard to things eventually improving and working out. From 70% back in December of 1963 down to a pathetic 43% in June 2015. That's nearly half as many black Americans who think things will improve.

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    And just to be extra thoroughly clear, here's another chart according to gallup. As you can see, as time moves forward race relations between whites and blacks continue to decline:

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    As clearly stated, we can see a noticeable decline for race relations between whites and blacks. Or rather, we can see "according to blacks" that race relations are deteriorating. The graph you presented only shows a decline in the problem because whites believe things are improving. You misinterpreted the overall intent and needed to read further below it to fully understand who's opinion is who's. Who, in his right mind, will take a white person's opinion versus a black person's opinion on a problem such as racism? Since blacks are the recipient of racism they have more say-so in the matter than whites.

    In any event, I guess I have you to thank for helping me so easily prove my point. You laid it all out for me. I like it when things are so effortless. icon_cool.gif

    And as for you, anti. I think you should learn how to read graphs. icon_lol.gif
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    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior saidYou're grasping at straws from one side comment I made that wasn't even the basis of my thread. But if you want to provide sources that support your disagreement I can easily find "pretty graphs" to demonstrate my assertion as well.


    Looking at what evidence might show is not grasping at straws but gaining an understanding of a topic. That you think I derailed your thread by commenting on your very own words (which you now declare a side dish) in your very own Original Post, words in your post you wrote in starting off your thread, words you used to justify your thread about black people who aren't into BLM by noting a supposed "excellent point about Obama being our first black American president yet we're more racially divided than we've been in decades," then, well, what's left to say but...

    Aw.
  • ANTiSociaLiNJ...

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    Jul 22, 2016 2:13 AM GMT
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    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior saidYou're grasping at straws from one side comment I made that wasn't even the basis of my thread. But if you want to provide sources that support your disagreement I can easily find "pretty graphs" to demonstrate my assertion as well.


    Looking at what evidence might show is not grasping at straws but gaining an understanding of a topic. That you think I derailed your thread by commenting on your very own words (which you now declare a side dish) in your very own Original Post, words in your post you wrote in starting off your thread, words you used to justify your thread about black people who aren't into BLM by noting a supposed "excellent point about Obama being our first black American president yet we're more racially divided than we've been in decades," then, well, what's left to say but...

    Aw.


    Focus on what I underlined and then marinate in the irony of it all. In the meantime, the rest of us will patiently wait while you learn how to interpret graphs correctly.

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    Jul 22, 2016 2:27 AM GMT
    Posting that long list of numbers doesn't make you look smarter; it just makes you look even more confused.

    The perception numbers are graphed. And if you overlay the perception graph with the events graph (I've supplied for your convenience both) you'll see that very specific events occurred right about when perceptions of race relations declined. As I noted those would be the Great Recession (07/08 when whites might have freaked out a bit by the black unemployment rate having had risen so steeply) and the killings (running 2014-2016), both of which--even while supplied by two different sources--line up nearly identically with the timing of the declines.

    Nowhere does the overlay of one onto the other indicated the color of the president's skin as a factor.

    To your snotty and misguided response: fuck you.

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    Jul 22, 2016 2:34 AM GMT
    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior said
    theantijock said
    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior saidYou're grasping at straws from one side comment I made that wasn't even the basis of my thread. But if you want to provide sources that support your disagreement I can easily find "pretty graphs" to demonstrate my assertion as well.


    Looking at what evidence might show is not grasping at straws but gaining an understanding of a topic. That you think I derailed your thread by commenting on your very own words (which you now declare a side dish) in your very own Original Post, words in your post you wrote in starting off your thread, words you used to justify your thread about black people who aren't into BLM by noting a supposed "excellent point about Obama being our first black American president yet we're more racially divided than we've been in decades," then, well, what's left to say but...

    Aw.


    Focus on what I underlined and then marinate in the irony of it all. In the meantime, the rest of us will patiently wait while you learn how to interpret graphs correctly.

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    okay, I see you are a complete piece of shit. And I recognize you from your numerous past incarnations. I'm just gonna click yet another one of your names onto ignore. I've no doubt you'll be back under another name in the future. Bye for now puppet.
  • ANTiSociaLiNJ...

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    Jul 22, 2016 6:12 AM GMT
    So now I'm a piece of shit for pointing out how you apparently couldn't interpret the results of the very same graph you contributed to this thread? With more information all from the very page where you got the graph?

    You are such a big baby. The adult thing to do is to simply admit when you're wrong. You need to grow up.