Thomas Sowell: Black American economist, social theorist, political philosopher and author shares his important message on why blacks in America struggle.

  • ANTiSociaLiNJ...

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    Jul 24, 2016 12:12 AM GMT
    This gentleman provides an interesting perspective on why black Americans haven't done well in this country. Namely, he believes that maintaining the welfare state and "black subculture" are the reasons as to why. He also points out some interesting facts. Such as in 1960, basically 100 years after slavery, only 22% of black children in the US were raised in single family homes. But just thirty years later after the development of the welfare state the number for single parent (black) families more than tripled.

    Sowell also addresses the IQ discrepancy between whites and blacks. For example, after WWII a number of black and white soldiers stayed behind and married German women and had families and raised them in Germany. The IQ levels for both black and white children were the same as opposed to the numbers demonstrating a remarkable contrast in America. Sowell postulates that lower IQ for black children, statistically speaking, has to do with maintaining American black subculture.

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    Jul 24, 2016 12:43 AM GMT
    THE BLM movement is a failure. Unless you are at the very far left, they have very little support. Just like the Tea Party movement at the other end of the political spectrum, they are nothing but a bunch of whiny, radical, troublemakers. Can't wait till next year when their 15 minutes is up. #alllivesmatter
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    Jul 24, 2016 12:48 AM GMT
    This is what matters to me:

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  • badbug

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    Jul 24, 2016 6:40 AM GMT
    after the development of the welfare state


    Is this an actual thing you think exists? Like beyond a conservative talking point?

    When you say shit like that, people know you think you already have your answer.


    Really? He postulates that being poor and having everyone in your community locked up is bad for people's IQs?

    Gee, i wonder what "maintains the welfare state" more, free healthcare and low cost education and more money towards education, or tax cuts for the rich and more military spending? Hmm, i think we should postulate that.

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    Jul 24, 2016 7:42 AM GMT
    ^ It would really help a lot if you didn't grotesquely distort all the information presented.

    Many wannabe PC illiberals pontificate that the decline of the black community is a direct result of slavery. I'm simply pointing out that Thomas Sowell, a black American disagrees and has brought up facts that support his claims.

    Every time I address a liberal around here I quickly realize that I have to dumb it down as if I were talking to a five year old. And even still, when I provide reputable sources by people with more impressive credentials than any us they flat-out deny it all and throw a tantrum; resorting to name calling, sarcasm and insults.
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    Jul 24, 2016 1:37 PM GMT
    There is no room for science in the dogma based liberal mind.

    uote][cite]ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior said[/cite]^ It would really help a lot if you didn't grotesquely distort all the information presented.

    Many wannabe PC illiberals pontificate that the decline of the black community is a direct result of slavery. I'm simply pointing out that Thomas Sowell, a black American disagrees and has brought up facts that support his claims.

    Every time I address a liberal around here I quickly realize that I have to dumb it down as if I were talking to a five year old. And even still, when I provide reputable sources by people with more impressive credentials than any us they flat-out deny it all and throw a tantrum; resorting to name calling, sarcasm and insults.[/quote]
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    Jul 24, 2016 1:40 PM GMT
    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior said^ It would really help a lot if you didn't grotesquely distort all the information presented.

    Many wannabe PC illiberals pontificate that the decline of the black community is a direct result of slavery. I'm simply pointing out that Thomas Sowell, a black American disagrees and has brought up facts that support his claims.

    Every time I address a liberal around here I quickly realize that I have to dumb it down as if I were talking to a five year old. And even still, when I provide reputable sources by people with more impressive credentials than any us they flat-out deny it all and throw a tantrum; resorting to name calling, sarcasm and insults.
    That is the whole damn problem with many left wing thinkers. They cannot stand an opposing viewpoint with credible sources that point out the flaws and shortcomings of democratic and liberal ideology and policy. They all get bent out of shape and resort to vicious attacks. I guess that is the typical leftist mind, do as I say and not as I do. Go figure.
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    Jul 24, 2016 2:59 PM GMT
    I'm not sure why this tired, predictable, and overdone exposition on the evils of liberalism has started. Thomas Sowell is a Conservative/Libertarian economist, in case anyone's getting confused about what's being criticized in these posts.

    Sowell's PhD is in economics, which he's taught as a college professor. He's also a Conservative newspaper columnist and has written numerous books. The basis for his social commentary is usually Conservative economics. Like US Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas he's a self-made Black man. And like Thomas, he believes in the rather selfish & egotistical premise that any Blacks who aren't as equally successful as they've been have only themselves to blame.

    A rather cold, unforgiving and less than helpful attitude, that makes little allowance for societal forces, along with other factors. But a typical Conservative attitude, to begin with a personal prejudice, and then create facts to support it. The opposite of critical thinking and the scientific process, but then we know what Right Wingers think of science.
  • gymnerd

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    Jul 24, 2016 4:36 PM GMT
    badbug saidafter the development of the welfare state


    Is this an actual thing you think exists? Like beyond a conservative talking point?

    When you say shit like that, people know you think you already have your answer.


    Really? He postulates that being poor and having everyone in your community locked up is bad for people's IQs?

    Gee, i wonder what "maintains the welfare state" more, free healthcare and low cost education and more money towards education, or tax cuts for the rich and more military spending? Hmm, i think we should postulate that.



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    Jul 24, 2016 6:05 PM GMT
    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior said^ It would really help a lot if you didn't grotesquely distort all the information presented.

    Many wannabe PC illiberals pontificate that the decline of the black community is a direct result of slavery. I'm simply pointing out that Thomas Sowell, a black American disagrees and has brought up facts that support his claims.

    Every time I address a liberal around here I quickly realize that I have to dumb it down as if I were talking to a five year old. And even still, when I provide reputable sources by people with more impressive credentials than any us they flat-out deny it all and throw a tantrum; resorting to name calling, sarcasm and insults.
    How about rewarding them with more govt freebies by continuing to have fatherless children-Thats what keeps them voting for dems,not out of concern for the country if that were the case they'd vote repubs at least they try to build the economy and create more jobs not just create more social programs-dems continue to keep blacks on the proverbial plantation this way! Dems care nothing for them they only want their vote!
  • Looking9

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    Jul 24, 2016 6:11 PM GMT
    AS a black man I agree with Mr. Sowell 100%, as a sales rep for almost 20 years, with 1000+ accounts I see this daily. What most whites don't know, refuse to accept is this, in the inner cities across the country a high percentage of black men were raised without fathers, these people, yes I said THESE PEOPLE did not finish high school, speak ebonics, never assimilated into American Culture and for the most part unemployable. On my work days in the inner city as I walk in and out of accounts I encounter these people, some ask for money, many look very closely at my sales bag and computer with disdain as if I'm a sellout and 90% reek of pot at 9 or 10am.
    Occasionally someone and I lock eyes, speak and flirt briefly, yes, I do find some of these guys hot/sexy but due to past negative experiences I move on.
    .... My first-hand experience.
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    Jul 24, 2016 6:35 PM GMT
    When I used to work as a carpenter in Washington, D.C. young blacks kids would come around and talk with me and it was clear that they did not even know a black man that had a job. They didn't have fathers. I latter learned that because of the welfare system black men father children by multiple mothers in order to collect money from each mother. Also the grand parents would sometime be raising the grandkids because older blacks had a work ethic but the later generation did not. Just listen to billboard top 40. The rap songs tell the whole story.


    Looking9 saidAS a black man I agree with Mr. Sowell 100%, as a sales rep for almost 20 years, with 1000+ accounts I see this daily. What most whites don't know, refuse to accept is this, in the inner cities across the country a high percentage of black men were raised without fathers, these people, yes I said THESE PEOPLE did not finish high school, speak ebonics, never assimilated into American Culture and for the most part unemployable. On my work days in the inner city as I walk in and out of accounts I encounter these people, some ask for money, many look very closely at my sales bag and computer with disdain as if I'm a sellout and 90% reek of pot at 9 or 10am.
    Occasionally someone and I lock eyes, speak and flirt briefly, yes, I do find some of these guys hot/sexy but due to past negative experiences I move on.
    .... My first-hand experience.
  • Looking9

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    Jul 24, 2016 6:47 PM GMT
    Thank you MaleElement, you're 100% correct!
  • Tawrich

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    Jul 24, 2016 6:50 PM GMT
    Sticking to the subject at hand an interesting study found disproportionate use of force against blacks but not lethal force. It's terrible that the publicized cases have happened and it's also terrible that this bias in use of force exists since black children are taught to fear the police. I hate BLM for making the public completely unable to discuss issues rationally and formulate a plan. Fuck the police is not a plan.

    article link: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/study-finds-no-bias-in-cops-use-of-lethal-force.html
  • Looking9

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    Jul 24, 2016 9:27 PM GMT

    MaleElement and I mentioned facts, everyone else is going on stats and theories and opinion, that's why this problem has gone for years. We have a segment of our community/population that don't work, have never worked , have no work ethic and knows no one who's working. That people is huge, wrap your minds around that, so as a nation we can find a solution and stop the cycle.

    Black Lives Matter is a hindrance and a problem, a huge problem.
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    Jul 24, 2016 10:00 PM GMT
    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior saidThis gentleman provides an interesting perspective on why black Americans haven't done well in this country. Namely, he believes that maintaining the welfare state and "black subculture" are the reasons as to why. He also points out some interesting facts. Such as in 1960, basically 100 years after slavery, only 22% of black children in the US were raised in single family homes. But just thirty years later after the development of the welfare state the number for single parent (black) families more than tripled.

    Sowell also addresses the IQ discrepancy between whites and blacks. For example, after WWII a number of black and white soldiers stayed behind and married German women and had families and raised them in Germany. The IQ levels for both black and white children were the same as opposed to the numbers demonstrating a remarkable contrast in America. Sowell postulates that lower IQ for black children, statistically speaking, has to do with maintaining American black subculture.




    Damn. I have been saying this about welfare for YEARS but everyone shot me down and told me I was not only wrong for saying it but a "racist" for speaking such words to boot. I guess people only listen to criticism about the black community when it comes from black lips.
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    Jul 24, 2016 10:09 PM GMT
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    Damn. I have been saying this about welfare for YEARS but everyone shot me down and told me I was not only wrong for saying it but a "racist" for speaking such words to boot. I guess people only listen to criticism about the black community when it comes from black lips.


    Well, maybe not so much "black lips." But from someone who has a PhD in economics who happens to be black. Not to mention, he also has written books on the topic and has provided sound facts and a thorough history as to how life for American blacks has changed over time. I don't recall you ever elucidating on this topic in the thorough manner that Sowell can.
  • Noeton

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    Jul 24, 2016 10:31 PM GMT
    Scandinavian countries, with their robust "welfare states" clearly have the stupidest people in the world.

    The massive subsidies of the New Deal period and the Marshall plan, nationwide funding of land-grant universities and tremendous agricultural subsidies resulted in collapsing most of Western civilization into idiocy.

    In related news, Social Security has been found to cause Alzheimer's.
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    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior said
    Radd said

    Damn. I have been saying this about welfare for YEARS but everyone shot me down and told me I was not only wrong for saying it but a "racist" for speaking such words to boot. I guess people only listen to criticism about the black community when it comes from black lips.


    Well, maybe not so much "black lips." But from someone who has a PhD in economics who happens to be black. Not to mention, he also has written books on the topic and has provided sound facts and a thorough history as to how life for American blacks has changed over time. I don't recall you ever elucidating on this topic in the thorough manner that Sowell can.



    Well, of course not. I don't have a PhD in economics. But I have said repeatedly that affirmative action and welfare are negative forces and do not help blacks.
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    Jul 24, 2016 11:01 PM GMT
    Noeton saidScandinavian countries, with their robust "welfare states" clearly have the stupidest people in the world.

    The massive subsidies of the New Deal period and the Marshall plan, nationwide funding of land-grant universities and tremendous agricultural subsidies resulted in collapsing most of Western civilization into idiocy.

    In related news, Social Security has been found to cause Alzheimer's.



    Sarcasm aside.....sounds like you're saying black people are stupid. Or maybe you should cut the smart-ass rhetoric and say what you really mean. icon_confused.gif
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    Jul 25, 2016 3:28 AM GMT
    Liberal Democrats keep blacks in poverty by providing hand outs instead of a hand up.
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    Jul 25, 2016 1:16 PM GMT
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    Liberal Democrats keep blacks in poverty by providing hand outs instead of a hand up.

    Gotta keep 'em down on da plantation and beholden to they Democrat massahs. It's how them Dems buy votes wif yo' tax dollars!

    Now there's a lying mirespresentation if I ever heard one, and a reversal of Democratic and Republican Party behavior. It's Republicans who want to keep Blacks in prison, with inferior education options and chances for social advancement. All one has to do is look at that photo of Republican House Speaker Ryan posing with young Republican House pages, and they're lily-white.

    Compared to a similar gathering of Democratic House pages. Where minorities are heavily represented, including Blacks. Democrats try to offer & promote advancement to minorities, whereas Republicans devise obstacles for them. Failing to extend a helping hand when it's needed most, to put people on the road to self-improvement. And BTW, among the heaviest users of food stamps and other social welfare programs are poor Whites in rural areas, not Blacks, another Republican myth.

    But then today's Republicans are yesterday's segregationist Southern Dixiecrats. Who are still trying to keep their thumbs on Blacks, deny them decent schooling, job opportunities, and block them from voting. To them it's like the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s never happened, under the leadership of Democratic President Lyndon Johnson. Through which I lived and remember very well.

    No, your hateful rhetoric against Democrats is a complete fabrication. But these kinds of Big Lies are what we've come to expect from modern Republicans.
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    Jul 25, 2016 1:36 PM GMT
    UMayNeverKnow said
    mx5guynj saidLiberal Democrats keep blacks in poverty by providing hand outs instead of a hand up.


    Gotta keep 'em down on da plantation and beholden to they Democrat massahs. It's how them Dems buy votes wif yo' tax dollars!
    Yeah and that poverty plantation is many older northern US cities and aging first ring suburbs where the donkey dorks have had 50+years of monolithic rule. Go figure.
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    Jul 25, 2016 6:33 PM GMT
    With the exceptions of a few notable people, the black community seems to be stagnant for the last 50 years or so. Even in majority black cities, were blacks are in charge and part of the "elite" they lag behind most Americans in terms of education, health, annual earnings, and lead the nation in crime, unemployment, prison population, having kids out of wedlock, single parent households, an high school drop outs. These are FACTS.


    And stating this is not racism, it's stating the obvious.
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    Jul 26, 2016 3:06 PM GMT
    He makes good points regarding the black sub-culture in America. West African immigrants come here and go far for the most part, they're very family oriented and really want their children to do well. They often don't even want to live in majoroty black neighborhoods because of how fucked the future of the kids living in those broken communities are.
    I do believe movements like black lives matter is an example of the systematic racism in our govnt. Misguided white's want to blame the misguided blacks for it while being ok with that fact that our govnt has always been so fixated on profitable race and drug wars. It's the perfect cover. United my ass.