Are protein supplements just a scam?

  • qd2009

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    Jul 25, 2016 4:16 PM GMT
    Question 1:

    I went to my doctor the other day to get my blood tested, and I asked him how my liver is doing because I take protein supplement after my gym workout. He said my kidneys are doing fine. But then he also said that when I take the protein supplements my body will just pee it out -- when I do weight training in the gym, the protein I get from meats during my regular meals is all my body needs to grow muscle.

    Is this true? Are my protein supplements a total waste of money?

    Question 2:

    A casual search of protein supplements on the web reveals that most brands just sell sugar (with the protein label on the can). Is that also true? That my protein supplement is just sugar? I am taking a scoop of Scitec Nutrition 100 Whey after each training session. Am I really just setting myself up for diabetes in the future??

    What a colossal piece of shit icon_sad.gif
  • Destinharbor

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    Jul 25, 2016 4:26 PM GMT
    There is nothing fake or useless about protein supplement. A good one is the same quality protein as any other source and better than many. Use whey with a mix of short and long acting (casein) proteins. About 32 grams is the most your body can metabolize in a three hour period and many, including mine, have no sugar. Look for around 32 grams and about 150 calories. Mine is Evolution by Intek and is 30 and 160. But you're right. There's a lot of junk on the market. Protein snack bars are the worst. If you want to grow muscle, you need more protein than most of us are willing to eat (gram to gram and a half per pound of body weight that is your target muscled up/leaned down goal). And you especially need it first thing in the morning and just after a workout. So I do a shake when I get up and one in the evening after working out. It is the cleanest, most healthful of any supplement. Think of it as a fourth or fifth meal and keep the primary three smaller and healthy. If you're not trying to gain muscle, then no, you don't need it.

    Oh, and it won't impact your liver in any way. Some supplements might but not a good quality protein powder.
  • MuscleOutlaw

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    Jul 25, 2016 4:31 PM GMT
    Of course protein supplements are a complete scam & rip-off ! Get your protein from natural food sources, either animal or vegetable (combine different sources for a complete amino acid balance) at a price far less than fancy canned powders. "Nutrition companies" know that fancy marketing & packaging and pictures of big bodybuilders in their advertising will sucker guys into buying this stuff (which as you point out, has ingredients you don't need, like sweeteners and artificial flavorings). It's high profit for them and unnecessary for you.
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    Jul 25, 2016 4:50 PM GMT
    whey proteins are digested in 40 minutes. Another manufacturing process; casein whey, takes 3-4 hours to digest tho casein protein is like the kindergarten glue. Also it dosnt have as good a taste and better dissolved in a blender. As with anything, ingest several smaller servings through the day and after a work out. On Gold Standard proteins are a good medium cost brand.
    reference:
    https://www.amazon.com/Optimum-Nutrition-Protein-Chocolate-Supreme/dp/B002DYJ0OI

    generally the stuff that tastes good has natural or artificial sweaters added

    do a search google (realjock casein protein).
    Lots of bro science so talk to a registered dietitian specializing in sports nutrition. If you are wast your time money maybe you might rethink of a more natural vegan or animal source for protein.
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    Jul 25, 2016 6:14 PM GMT
    Way back when I was in my late teens and skinny in the late 1970s the body building magazines didn't have any advertisements (and certainly not every other page) for protein supplements and yet Arnold and the rest of them still got big (steroids, natch).

    I'm always amused by guys on here asking questions and saying stuff that makes it obvious that they think that they'll never gain any mass unless they take protein supplements. The protein supplement business is obviously huge.

    Save your money and enjoy some more chicken, fish, etc. instead of one of those shakes.
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    Jul 25, 2016 6:26 PM GMT
    pellaz saidwhey proteins are digested in 40 minutes..

    I read an article about combining proteins / amino acids and it said that, for example, you could eat beans one day and rice the next, which would give you the amino acids that you need. Our bodies don't need the full complement of amino acids all at once and doesn't need them immediately; more marketing hype from the protein supplement businesses.
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    Jul 26, 2016 1:36 AM GMT
    A scam from the POV that many of the companies are lying about what's in the tub they're selling you, yes:

    https://blog.priceplow.com/protein-scam-amino-acid-spiking

    http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/798513-BCAA-Testing-Popular-Brands-All-FAIL
  • NHLFAN

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    Jul 26, 2016 3:55 AM GMT
    Nutrition should never come in the form of a supplement. The fact most guys can't eat all the supposed protein one needs in a day should tell you what a farse it is. Just another marketing ploy by the corporations that want to sell you something you don't need.

  • mwolverine

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    Jul 26, 2016 4:16 AM GMT
    One of the most bulked up guys I knew (but not over-the-top) had a pretty simple diet: a dozen egg whites per day, chicken breast, broccoli and tofu.

    20 Delicious High-Protein Foods
    https://authoritynutrition.com/20-delicious-high-protein-foods
  • Dynamo_spark

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    Jul 26, 2016 8:21 AM GMT
    Protein drinks are not a scam, provided you take the right one. But then it get's darn expensive. Protein drinks are best consumed before a strenuous workout, not after. Plenty of water during a workout, will help retain those nutritional enzymes. Products to look for: (not an adverisement) Animal Stack, Weider
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    Jul 26, 2016 6:35 PM GMT
    Dynamo_spark said... those nutritional enzymes.

    I'd be willing to bet that this claim for "nutritional enzymes" is more marketing bs. I didn't see anything for nutritional enzymes in the table at the end of this page, unless you count papain.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enzyme
  • ANTiSociaLiNJ...

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    Jul 26, 2016 9:28 PM GMT
    PhysicalCity saidA scam from the POV that many of the companies are lying about what's in the tub they're selling you, yes:

    https://blog.priceplow.com/protein-scam-amino-acid-spiking

    http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/798513-BCAA-Testing-Popular-Brands-All-FAIL


    Wow, thanks for providing these sites. I am reading up on them and am learning so much.

    Really appreciate it!
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    Jul 26, 2016 11:23 PM GMT
    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior said
    PhysicalCity saidA scam from the POV that many of the companies are lying about what's in the tub they're selling you, yes:

    https://blog.priceplow.com/protein-scam-amino-acid-spiking

    http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/798513-BCAA-Testing-Popular-Brands-All-FAIL


    Wow, thanks for providing these sites. I am reading up on them and am learning so much.

    Really appreciate it!


    It's actually worse than it first seems. If you go halfway down the second link, you'll see that another *70* brands of protein powder have just failed testing. Some contained 80% less protein than the label claimed!
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    Jul 27, 2016 12:23 AM GMT
    They're great meal replacements for people on the go and people who need to consume more calories than they care to cook.
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    Jul 27, 2016 2:53 AM GMT
    PhysicalCity said
    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior said
    PhysicalCity saidA scam from the POV that many of the companies are lying about what's in the tub they're selling you, yes:

    https://blog.priceplow.com/protein-scam-amino-acid-spiking

    http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/798513-BCAA-Testing-Popular-Brands-All-FAIL


    Wow, thanks for providing these sites. I am reading up on them and am learning so much.

    Really appreciate it!


    It's actually worse than it first seems. If you go halfway down the second link, you'll see that another *70* brands of protein powder have just failed testing. Some contained 80% less protein than the label claimed!


    It does look depressing. I saw that there is a "Top Ten Protein Powder" list that they claim is true to their ingredient list. May I ask which one you use? Here is the top ten from that website:

    https://blog.priceplow.com/top-10/protein-powders#top-10
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    Jul 27, 2016 1:30 PM GMT
    Super interesting... I've always bought protein powders that had as little sugar content as possible, and without BCAA's, as I supplement those by themselves, in addition to protein. I only drink protein powder as i'm immediately leaving the gym, in order to get a fast acting source into my blood ASAP while I go home and cook dinner. I believe it's best to get protein from as many natural food sources as possible. In light of the kind of effort it takes to condition your diet to that level... information about absorption rates, and availability, can really make a huge difference in how you feel, whether that comes from a legitimate powder, or not.
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    Jul 27, 2016 2:03 PM GMT
    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior said
    PhysicalCity said
    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior said
    PhysicalCity saidA scam from the POV that many of the companies are lying about what's in the tub they're selling you, yes:

    https://blog.priceplow.com/protein-scam-amino-acid-spiking

    http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/798513-BCAA-Testing-Popular-Brands-All-FAIL


    Wow, thanks for providing these sites. I am reading up on them and am learning so much.

    Really appreciate it!


    It's actually worse than it first seems. If you go halfway down the second link, you'll see that another *70* brands of protein powder have just failed testing. Some contained 80% less protein than the label claimed!


    It does look depressing. I saw that there is a "Top Ten Protein Powder" list that they claim is true to their ingredient list. May I ask which one you use? Here is the top ten from that website:

    https://blog.priceplow.com/top-10/protein-powders#top-10


    I don't use branded anything. I buy unflavoured plain protein, aminos etc from bulk suppliers. It doesn't guarantee purity of course, but it does allow me to avoid fillers, binders, colours, sweeteners, bulking agents and all the other crap most brands put in their products, and saves me a ton of money in the process. If I want flavour, carbs or whatever, I add real food (fruit, fruit juice, cocoa, cinnamon, yoghurt, fish oils, oats etc).
  • honestsweat

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    Jul 27, 2016 2:10 PM GMT
    Unencumbered by either a medical or nutrition degree, I would say that the benefits of supplement use are really influenced by the metabolism of the consumer. Some people are hard-gainers and need the impact of the calories and protein offered by supplements. Some people do not have access to a kitchen or food stuffs 24/7 and find protein shakes a handy alternative. Some people just don't know how to eat big.

    Yes, there are some products out there that are mostly fillers and have less protein than stated on the label. Just as a personal trainer worth his salt will say to build muscle you have to listen to your body (don't be a fool and try to work through the pain), supplement buyers have to try different brands to see which ones work best with their body chemistry.

    FYI - I would question the validity of a statement by a doctor who says that the beneficial aspects of supplements are just pissed away. Is he/she a lifter? Does he consume these products him/herself? Is he confusing protein with Vitamin C, which the body expels once it has absorbed the maximum amount it can handle?

    With both supplement shopping and medical advice, I say...caveat emptor.
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    Jul 27, 2016 2:46 PM GMT
    Pretty much every supplement is a scam except steroids. I am not promoting steroids, but its effect are very visible. Almost everyone is using them.
  • badbug

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    Jul 27, 2016 6:41 PM GMT

    Why is protein powder less "natural" than chicken?

    Because it's "processed" what do you think cooking is? Unless you are eating raw meat, you are processing your food.

    Cooking chicken at high temperatures is going to denature more protein than a short pasteurization process at 150 degrees and filtration.


    Doctors generally don't know shit about a nutrition.

    Perhaps he meant, if you are taking 60 grams of protein powder in one serving, that your body cannot digest it all at once?

    Are my protein supplements a total waste of money?

    Is chicken a waste of money? Depends where you are buying it, how you are consuming it, and what you expect it to do i guess?
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    Jul 27, 2016 7:58 PM GMT
    PhysicalCity said
    I don't use branded anything. I buy unflavoured plain protein, aminos etc from bulk suppliers. It doesn't guarantee purity of course, but it does allow me to avoid fillers, binders, colours, sweeteners, bulking agents and all the other crap most brands put in their products, and saves me a ton of money in the process. If I want flavour, carbs or whatever, I add real food (fruit, fruit juice, cocoa, cinnamon, yoghurt, fish oils, oats etc).


    There is a site called proteinfactory.com which I used to order from years ago. They sell unflavored, bulk protein by the pound. Maybe I should try them again.

    Edit: I just looked at their prices and even for bulk unflavored protein powders their prices aren't much cheaper than buying commercially made products .icon_sad.gif
  • Triggerman

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    Jul 27, 2016 8:25 PM GMT
    protein supplements, unless you are protein deficient, are a waste. Huge money maker for gyms
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    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior said
    PhysicalCity said
    I don't use branded anything. I buy unflavoured plain protein, aminos etc from bulk suppliers. It doesn't guarantee purity of course, but it does allow me to avoid fillers, binders, colours, sweeteners, bulking agents and all the other crap most brands put in their products, and saves me a ton of money in the process. If I want flavour, carbs or whatever, I add real food (fruit, fruit juice, cocoa, cinnamon, yoghurt, fish oils, oats etc).


    There is a site called proteinfactory.com which I used to order from years ago. They sell unflavored, bulk protein by the pound. Maybe I should try them again.

    Edit: I just looked at their prices and even for bulk unflavored protein powders their prices aren't much cheaper than buying commercially made products .icon_sad.gif


    Obviously I don't live in the US, but surely something like this: http://us.myprotein.com/home.dept is cheaper?
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    Jul 27, 2016 11:51 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidprotein supplements, unless you are protein deficient, are a waste. Huge money maker for gyms

    That's the problem; the successful advertising has convinced them that they are protein deficient.
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    Jul 27, 2016 11:57 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal said
    Triggerman saidprotein supplements, unless you are protein deficient, are a waste. Huge money maker for gyms

    That's the problem; the successful advertising has convinced them that they are protein deficient.


    Ideally, I like to get my protein from food also. But it's not feasible since I try to consume 230lb grams of protein daily. Given that I only eat chicken and fish it gets monotonous eating the same food sources daily. I eat three meals a day and each meal has roughly 75-76g. I make one smoothie daily that counts as one meal and I toss 75lb of protein into it.