Soldier's dad gives brutal repudiation of Trump

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    Jul 29, 2016 5:38 PM GMT
    Donald Trump was speaking at an event in Iowa, complaining that America was not allowed to waterboard terrorists, when Khizr Khan and his wife walked up to the microphone at the Democratic convention in Philadelphia. Khan's son, Humayun, was a captain in the U.S. Army. When a vehicle packed with explosives approached his compound in Iraq in 2004, he instructed his men to seek cover as he ran toward it. The car exploded, killing Khan instantly. He was awarded the Bronze Star posthumously.

    "Donald Trump," he said, "you are asking Americans to trust you with our future. Let me ask you: Have you even read the U.S. Constitution? I will gladly lend you my copy." He pulled a copy of the Constitution from his pocket. "In this document, look for the words 'liberty' and 'equal protection of law.' " Earlier this month, Trump promised congressional Republicans that he would defend "Article XII" of the Constitution, which doesn't exist.

    "Have you ever been to Arlington Cemetery?" Khan asked. "Go look at the graves of the brave patriots who died defending America — you will see all faiths, genders, and ethnicities.

    "You have sacrificed nothing. And no one."


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    Jul 29, 2016 6:03 PM GMT
    I watched that Father's address to the convention on live TV. It was electrifying. One of the most emotional and memorable moments of the entire convention, and something people are still talking about.
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    Jul 29, 2016 11:29 PM GMT
    I saw Mr. Khan's speech live. I found it to be deeply moving -- a family of immigrants from the UAE, now a Gold Star Family, who have paid more dearly for the American Dream than most Americans can possibly fathom. Mr. Khan articulated a very powerful denunciation of Trump from an unassailable moral high ground, and he did it with great dignity and evident patriotism for the US. As a combat veteran, I have great respect for Mr. Khan, and of course for his son.
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    I saw Mr. Khan's speech live. I found it to be deeply moving -- a family of immigrants from the UAE, now a Gold Star Family, who have paid more dearly for the American Dream than most Americans can possibly fathom. Mr. Khan articulated a very powerful denunciation of Trump from an unassailable moral high ground, and he did it with great dignity and evident patriotism for the US. As a combat veteran, I have great respect for Mr. Khan, and of course for his son.

    Well stated.

    I will add a some info that I happen to know, to make this picture more clear in everyone's mind here.

    The late hero son was a US Army Captain. A commissioned Officer in the US armed forces must be, by law, a full citizen of the United States. An enlisted soldier, by contrast, a Private or a Sergeant, can be a foreign national. But an Officer must be fully a US citizen, with the right to vote, having the same standing as you or I, if you're a US citizen. Not US-born, necessarily, but at least naturalized.

    And so this late Army Captain was a legal US citizen. Making his sacrifice for his adopted country perhaps even more meaningful. And his Father's tribute that much more important.

    I cannot forget his Father's words to Trump, in response to Trumps's attack on US Muslims: "You have sacrificed nothing. And no one."
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    Jul 30, 2016 12:02 AM GMT
    I was emotionally overwhelmed by Mr. Khan's speech. Especially with the rousing cry of U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! in the background.
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    Jul 30, 2016 12:07 AM GMT
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    jeepguySD said
    I saw Mr. Khan's speech live. I found it to be deeply moving -- a family of immigrants from the UAE, now a Gold Star Family, who have paid more dearly for the American Dream than most Americans can possibly fathom. Mr. Khan articulated a very powerful denunciation of Trump from an unassailable moral high ground, and he did it with great dignity and evident patriotism for the US. As a combat veteran, I have great respect for Mr. Khan, and of course for his son.

    Well stated.

    I will add a some info that I happen to know, to make this picture more clear in everyone's mind here.

    The late hero son was a US Army Captain. A commissioned Officer in the US armed forces must be, by law, a full citizen of the United States. An enlisted soldier, by contrast, a Private or a Sergeant, can be a foreign national. But an Officer must be fully a US citizen, with the right to vote, having the same standing as you or I. Not US-born, necessarily, but at least naturalized.

    And so this late Army Captain was a legal US citizen. Making his sacrifice for his adopted country perhaps even more meaningful. And his Father's tribute that much more important.

    His Father's words to Trump, countering Trumps's attack on US Muslims: "You have sacrificed nothing. And no one."


    How is it that people can migrate to this country, give their very lives for it - and yet we have a bunch of self entitled asshats whining and bitching about the sky is falling?

    America is great! The Captain died for this great country of ours! These whiny republicans need a dose of reality.
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    Jul 30, 2016 12:36 AM GMT
    For those who missed it, here's Mr. Khan's speech.

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    Jul 30, 2016 12:44 AM GMT
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    America is great! The Captain died for this great country of ours! These whiny republicans need a dose of reality.

    Republicans could also use a dose of compassion, and a break from hypocrisy, 2 behaviors in which they could use some lessons.

    They've positioned themselves in the public's mind as the Patriot Party, all for the military. The proof of their superior patriotism is in the US flag lapel pins they all wear.

    Unfortunately those Republican flag pins meant nothing for me at VA hospitals during the GW Bush Administration. Suddenly my benefits & care as a disabled veteran of 25 years service had been slashed. Too many more urgent wounded service men & women coming in from Iraq & Afghanistan, and a Republican Congress not increasing the VA budget in response.

    I had to find other ways to care for myself. Having to wait over a year for a VA doctor to look at my crippled foot was not a good answer. And even the recently combat wounded weren't seen in a timely manner, either.

    But hey, Congressional Republicans still strut around with their flag lapel pins, and tell voters how they support our troops better than Democrats. Sure, they're eager to send them into battle, and salute them all the way. Just don't ask any wounded veterans about the care they get when they return home afterwards.

    Then suddenly the Congressional priorities become "fiscal responsibility" and "no new taxes", so they can get reelected. They'll just ignore the hidden costs of wasteful wars by putting them on the backs of our wounded service men & women. I've been there, I know all this.
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    Jul 30, 2016 1:14 AM GMT
    While watching I was hoping the mother would say a few words both for the emotional effect (not that it needed adding to) but especially to lift up Muslim women out from under their veils, out of which, in whatever generation, they will eventually in America emerge. She was already showing face, already showing some hair: showing her voice would have moved that audience to tear. And not that she needed to make the gesture, being there to memorialize her fallen son, but, well, one bird was already dead.

    woodsmen saidI was emotionally overwhelmed by Mr. Khan's speech. Especially with the rousing cry of U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! in the background.


    Those rousing cries of USA were what metta tried propagandizing as white noise machines to mask the discontent of certain conventioneers. Outshouting them with chants of USA was both counter protest and taking ownership of our convention. Very well played. It was especially masterful during General Allen's speech, as if he wasn't a powerful enough speaker without the complimentary chorus.

    This mourning father gets a lot of credit for speaking through all that unabated in his message to tell Trump to fuck off, perhaps even somewhat more eloquently than I just summarized. haha.
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    Jul 30, 2016 12:05 PM GMT
    Fox News gives little attention to Muslim American's powerful speech

    Fox News has been criticised for failing to show a powerful speech attacking Donald Trump by a Muslim American whose son was an army officer killed in Iraq while saving his troops from a suicide bomber.

    In a speech to the Democratic party convention that was widely covered by other TV stations, Khizr Khan, who moved to the US from Pakistan, told Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump: “You have sacrificed nothing and no one.”

    But despite being hailed as one of the convention's most powerful speeches for its condemnation of Mr Trump's stance on Muslims and immigration, it was given almost no attention by the conservative channel, which has previously been accused of anti-Muslim sentiment.


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/fox-news-muslim-american-son-captain-died-iraq-khizr-khan-dnc-democrats-a7163741.html
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    Jul 30, 2016 12:10 PM GMT
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/khizr-khan-paul-ryan-mitch-mcconnell-donald-trump-226463

    The soldier's father asks the Republican leaders to do the right thing, to denounce Trump.

    It may be bad politics in the short term but without a show of decency now, the Republican Party is finished.
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    Jul 30, 2016 12:56 PM GMT
    Mr. Khan's powerful speech at the convention challenged Trump's humanity. Last night on "Last Call with Lawrence O'Donnell" he correctly questioned Ryan's and McConnell's moral compass.
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    DOMINUS saidMr. Khan's powerful speech at the convention challenged Trump's humanity. Last night on "Last Call with Lawrence O'Donnell" he correctly questioned Ryan's and McConnell's moral compass.


    There is something vile, reprehensible amoral and immoral about Trump.
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    Ex_Mil8 saidFox News gives little attention to Muslim American's powerful speech

    Fox News has been criticised for failing to show a powerful speech attacking Donald Trump by a Muslim American whose son was an army officer killed in Iraq while saving his troops from a suicide bomber.

    In a speech to the Democratic party convention that was widely covered by other TV stations, Khizr Khan, who moved to the US from Pakistan, told Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump: “You have sacrificed nothing and no one.”

    But despite being hailed as one of the convention's most powerful speeches for its condemnation of Mr Trump's stance on Muslims and immigration, it was given almost no attention by the conservative channel, which has previously been accused of anti-Muslim sentiment.


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/fox-news-muslim-american-son-captain-died-iraq-khizr-khan-dnc-democrats-a7163741.html


    Fox News, fair and balanced? Not so much!
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    Jul 30, 2016 7:40 PM GMT

    We can always count on the faithful Trump supporter, mouth piece and Faux News commentary section to express their "view" icon_redface.gif



    Ann Coulter Faces Backlash for Calling DNC Speaker Khizr Khan ‘an Angry Muslim With a Thick Accent’
    http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/ann-coulter-mocks-dnc-2016-speaker-khizr-khan-muslims-w431755


    Ann Coulter caused an outcry on Thursday, July 28, after she tweeted an insulting message about Khizr Khan, the father of Muslim U.S. war hero Captain Humayun Khan, as he spoke at the Democratic National Convention

    Coulter took Khan’s speech as a cue to add her two cents to the conversation. The controversial 54-year-old commentator didn’t waste any time composing a series of tweets insulting Hillary Clinton, Khan and Muslims as Khan continued his moving speech about his son, who died while saving 10 of his fellow soldiers in Iraq in 2004.

    “You know what this convention really needed?” she wrote Thursday night in the middle of Khan’s speech. “An angry Muslim with a thick accent like Fareed Zacaria.”

    The man Coulter was attempting to reference is respected Indian-American journalist Fareed Zakaria (Coulter misspelled his name), who holds positions at CNN, The Washington Post and The Atlantic.

    Twitter users quickly took to social media to express their disgust at Coulter’s insulting words.
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    Jul 30, 2016 8:14 PM GMT
    Sooner or later, Ann Coulter will poison herself in her own bile. Who pays any attention to that hag?
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    We can always count on the faithful Trump supporter, mouth piece and Faux News commentary section to express their "view" icon_redface.gif



    Ann Coulter Faces Backlash for Calling DNC Speaker Khizr Khan ‘an Angry Muslim With a Thick Accent’
    http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/ann-coulter-mocks-dnc-2016-speaker-khizr-khan-muslims-w431755


    Ann Coulter caused an outcry on Thursday, July 28, after she tweeted an insulting message about Khizr Khan, the father of Muslim U.S. war hero Captain Humayun Khan, as he spoke at the Democratic National Convention

    Coulter took Khan’s speech as a cue to add her two cents to the conversation. The controversial 54-year-old commentator didn’t waste any time composing a series of tweets insulting Hillary Clinton, Khan and Muslims as Khan continued his moving speech about his son, who died while saving 10 of his fellow soldiers in Iraq in 2004.

    “You know what this convention really needed?” she wrote Thursday night in the middle of Khan’s speech. “An angry Muslim with a thick accent like Fareed Zacaria.”

    The man Coulter was attempting to reference is respected Indian-American journalist Fareed Zakaria (Coulter misspelled his name), who holds positions at CNN, The Washington Post and The Atlantic.

    Twitter users quickly took to social media to express their disgust at Coulter’s insulting words.


    Is she still alive?
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    Jul 30, 2016 10:33 PM GMT
    I'm probably wasting my time posting here because it seems most who are active here are fixated on being anti-Trump and are making increasingly hysterical comments. But anyway, here goes:

    I haven't heard anyone diminish the sacrifice the father, the family, and his late son made. However, if he's going to inject himself into the political arena, it is fair to challenge his comments.

    First of all, about him offering Trump his copy of the Constitution, he is ignorant. He's not alone here. The Constitution does not grant equal rights to non-citizens not in the country regarding immigration. In fact, the existing immigration laws involve a quota system that includes ethnicity and national origin. That has never been successfully challenged legally. While it does not specifically include religion, that is not a far cry from ethnicity.

    While Trump's language was blunt and might have been worded differently, his suggested ban as originally stated was intended to be temporary and only in effect until a vetting process could be effectively established. From the comments, there could be a couple of interpretations possible: Ban all Muslims until a vetting process could be established, or ban/unban on an individual basis. In other words, allow someone in if they could be properly vetted. The latter was in the opinion of many the spirit of his comments.

    To those who claim there is a process in place because it involves interviews over a period of time, interview statements cannot be validated if there is not a reliable data base that can be checked. We obviously don't have access to a Syrian data base and can only rely on data that might have been obtained by other sources, which are likely spotty at best.

    The question comes down to that of profiling, a dirty word to some. If anyone feels an Irish grandmother age 85 should receive the same scrutiny as a Muslim male age 28, they are living in a dream world. This is especially true given ISIS has said they will infiltrate refugees with terrorists. They probably won't answer interview questions and state their terrorism goals. Ya think?

    The speech of the father plays well to a Democratic crowd, many of whom want open borders with little or no protection. Ask Warren who proclaimed "We won't build your stupid wall." But based on polls, people don't want to see the happenings in Europe to be repeated here and generally support Trump's position.
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    Jul 30, 2016 11:23 PM GMT
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    Nice try at trying to rationalize Trump's incoherent bombast. The guy's a bigot (or at least he's doing a good job of pandering to bigotry) - and you know it.

    Surprise! Donald Trump’s latest anti-Muslim rant is based on total nonsense

    At a rally on Friday, Donald Trump told a South Carolina crowd a typically Islamophobic–and very gruesome—story about something General John Pershing did to Muslim prisoners in the Philippines when that nation was an American colony.

    As trusty mythbusting site Snopes notes, the Pershing tale is an old anti-Muslim piece of nonsense, writing, “We haven’t yet found any references to this alleged incident in Pershing biographies, however, nor does it match the way Pershing is generally recorded as having dealt with the [Filipinos under his control.]”

    The site adds, helpfully:

    Also implicit in this type of reasoning is the notion that “terrorist,” “Muslim terrorist,” “fanatical Muslim” and “devout Muslim” are all synonymous. They aren’t: just as not all Muslims are terrorists, not all terrorists are Muslims; and just as the religiously devout are not all fanatical, not all religious fanatics are devout.

    http://fusion.net/story/271143/donald-trump-muslims-pigs-blood/


    'Islam hates us'

    While not going as far as to say all 1.6 billion Muslims despise America, the front-runner to be Republican presidential candidate did not appear pained to separate radical Islamic terrorism and the entire faith.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3485353/Islam-hates-Donald-Trump-continues-anti-Muslim-campaign-major-TV-interview.html


    Donald Trump Continued His Orlando Shooting Twitter Rant & It's Not Getting Any Better



    The shooter was an American, so a Muslim ban — in addition to being reprehensible and patently un-American — would have done nothing to prevent the shooting. This, combined with Trump's erroneous and unconfirmed claim that the gunman shouted during the shootings, makes it seem suspiciously as if the real estate tycoon is more concerned with stoking anti-Islamic sentiment than, well, anything else.

    While Trump made sure to remind everyone, repeatedly, that the shooter was a practitioner of Islam, he made no mention of the fact that the shooting took place at a gay club. The fact that killer apparently targeted LGBT Americans specifically was not relevant to Trump, because hey, that's not his brand. Trump focused only on the shooter's religion.


    http://www.bustle.com/articles/166415-donald-trump-continued-his-orlando-shooting-twitter-rant-its-not-getting-any-better
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    Jul 31, 2016 12:30 AM GMT
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    I'm probably wasting my time posting here because it seems most who are active here are fixated on being anti-Trump and are making increasingly hysterical comments. But anyway, here goes:

    I haven't heard anyone diminish the sacrifice the father, the family, and his late son made. However, if he's going to inject himself into the political arena, it is fair to challenge his comments.

    First of all, about him offering Trump his copy of the Constitution, he is ignorant. He's not alone here. The Constitution does not grant equal rights to non-citizens not in the country regarding immigration...

    Let's stop right there. Before you do more of a "Trump" on us.

    Trump's previous statements were attacks on ALL Muslims legally in the US. Including this Army hero's parents. Not just illegal immigrants, as you imply. So that the reference to the US Constitution was spot-on.

    Now you are certainly free to vote for your hero Trump, who managed to avoid the draft in the 1960s by questionable means. While several of my school friends were drafted, and my best friend & I both voluntarily enlisted. At the same time The Donald lived comfortably off his daddy's millions he earned by being a New York City slum lord.

    But of more immediate concern to me today is how any man who calls himself a gay could possible support Trump. Trump will bring ruin to gay civil rights, to our US economy, to our national security, to our Constitution.

    I'm reminded of the bystander at the first Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, when this new country was being formed, who called out to Benjamin Franklin as he exited:

    "Doctor Franklin! What have you given us?"

    "A republic. If you can keep it!" replied Franklin.

    Perhaps the wise Franklin foresaw the weaknesses of a democratic government, were a megalomaniacal demagogue ever able to seize it. With Trump we are very close to Benjamin Franklin's fear, and of many of this country's founders.
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    Jul 31, 2016 1:30 AM GMT
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    Nice try at trying to rationalize Trump's incoherent bombast. The guy's a bigot (or at least he's doing a good job of pandering to bigotry) - and you know it.

    I disagree with the statements that he's a bigot and that his comments were "incoherent bomblast."

    The terms bigot and racist are easily thrown around. For example Warren called him a racist because he called her Pocahontas. The more plausible explanation is he called her that because she lied when stating she was partially native-American. If she used that in job applications, she would have also competed against those who were actually native-Americans, also not honorable
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    Jul 31, 2016 1:38 AM GMT
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    bayguy said
    I'm probably wasting my time posting here because it seems most who are active here are fixated on being anti-Trump and are making increasingly hysterical comments. But anyway, here goes:

    I haven't heard anyone diminish the sacrifice the father, the family, and his late son made. However, if he's going to inject himself into the political arena, it is fair to challenge his comments.

    First of all, about him offering Trump his copy of the Constitution, he is ignorant. He's not alone here. The Constitution does not grant equal rights to non-citizens not in the country regarding immigration...

    Let's stop right there. Before you do more of a "Trump" on us.

    Trump's previous statements were attacks on ALL Muslims legally in the US. Including this Army hero's parents. Not just illegal immigrants, as you imply. So that the reference to the US Constitution was spot-on.

    Pure nonsense and unsubstantiated. Your assumption about Trump attacking ALL Muslims is baseless. To demonstrate your lack of reading comprehension, I said or implied nothing about illegal immigrants. The simple fact that I stated is the Constitution does not grant equal access to everyone outside the US to immigrate here. Trump did not advocate anything in this area against the Constitution.

    I don't know if you know the Constitution if it bit you in the ass. Maybe you had some understanding of it in your younger days but your nonsense ramblings demonstrate significant diminished mental capacity.

    If you are suffering from the onset of dementia or Alzheimer's, I apologize as I don't want to attack those so afflicted.
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    Jul 31, 2016 2:21 AM GMT
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    Pure nonsense and unsubstantiated. Your assumption about Trump attacking ALL Muslims is baseless. To demonstrate your lack of reading comprehension, I said or implied nothing about illegal immigrants. The simple fact that I stated is the Constitution does not grant equal access to everyone outside the US to immigrate here. Trump did not advocate anything in this area against the Constitution.

    I don't know if you know the Constitution if it bit you in the ass. Maybe you had some understanding of it in your younger days but your nonsense ramblings demonstrate significant diminished mental capacity.

    If you are suffering from the onset of dementia or Alzheimer's, I apologize as I don't want to attack those so afflicted.

    Well, we weren't talking about what YOU said, but what about Donald Trump has said or implied. Yes? And the entire US Muslim population feels they were attacked by Trump, it's not merely an isolated sentiment by that convention speaker.

    As far as the US Constitution, you do know I taught it to high school seniors, right? Having a college degree in US history, among others.

    But I have found in the past that when someone, perhaps like yourself, cannot actually address the issues, they attack the messenger.

    Dementia or Alzheimer's? That's a bit cruel, just for disagreeing and confronting you. I can't imagine how any of my posts suggest those diagnoses.

    But I have had to deal with those who were medically diagnosed with both those conditions. My own late partner went into dementia his last 6 weeks, due to his AIDS PML. So that's kinda a difficult subject for me. Which, if you've been here as long as your rather empty RJ profile suggests, you should have already known. Making you as much a bully as your faux hero Trump.
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    tazzari saidSooner or later, Ann Coulter will poison herself in her own bile. Who pays any attention to that hag?


    She tries to be a female Howard Stern, but doesn't have enough wit to pull it off. She leaves herself sounding childish and a badly raised one at that.