Donald Trump and Russia: a web that grows more tangled all the time

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    Jul 30, 2016 12:50 PM GMT
    With Democrats and journalists now trawling through Trump’s past dealings with “all the oligarchs”, as he once put it, as far back as Russia’s Soviet days, the candidate repeatedly, and angrily, this week stated that he has “zero, nothing to do with Russia”. But he continued to refuse to release his tax returns, which could prove his claim definitively.

    If he doesn’t have anything to do with Russia today, he certainly has in the past. Trump has attempted to build namesake branded hotels and condos in Moscow as far back as 1987 – when it was still the Soviet Union. “It’s a totally interesting place,” he said at the time. “I think the Soviet Union is really making an effort to cooperate in the sense of dealing openly with other nations and in opening up the country.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/30/donald-trump-paul-manafort-ukraine-russia-putin-ties
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    Jul 30, 2016 1:12 PM GMT
    "Convention delegates on Monday accepted a Republican platform that contained softened language about what the United States should do to oppose Russian aggression in Ukraine. According to a report in the Washington Post, the stance on Ukraine was weakened at the behest of the Trump campaign."

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/illinois-republican-concerned-trumps-rhetoric-nato-russia/

    Trump and his lieutenants all have business ties with Russia that clearly mean more to them than America's security interest.
    AGENT ORANGE is Putin's tool.
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    Jul 30, 2016 3:29 PM GMT
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    http://www.neweasterneurope.eu/articles-and-commentary/2073-a-real-house-of-cards-trump-putin-and-yanukovych
    ...Donald Trump...accepted donations from Ukrainian oligarchs and Ukraine’s former president, Viktor Yanukovych, who is in hiding in Russia. Yanukovych is wanted by Interpol and by Ukraine for mass corporate raiding of Ukraine’s state budget and leaving the country bankrupt, murdering EuroMaidan protestors and committing treason when he supported Russia’s annexation of Crimea....

    ...The appointment of Paul Manafort as Donald Trump’s election campaign chief added to the surrealism of Trump’s populist takeover of the GOP. Manafort headed Ukrainian president and Party of Region leader Yanukovych’s election team and political consultants for a decade between 2005 and 2014. On top of that is the scandal of Russian intelligence hacking the US Democratic National Committee and leaking emails on the day of the Democratic Party convention...

    Former President Yanukovych and the Party of Regions had lobbied influential Republican Party policymakers and consultants in the past. Vin Weber, who was awarded the Democracy Service Medal in recognition of his service as the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) Chairman in 2001-2009 for his commitment to advancing the principles of democracy and human dignity, is a clear example. Weber, who had been a Mitt Romney foreign-policy adviser in the 2012 election, was a registered lobbyist for the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine (ECFMU) funded by the Party of Regions that Yanukovych led for most of its existence. This represented a clear contradiction: Weber, after promoting democracy for the first decade of this century, became a lobbyist for a government that was dismantling the democratic achievements of the Orange Revolution.....

    Similar to Trump’s instrumental approach to the rule of law, Manafort during the entire period of time working for Yanukovych never registered at the Department of Justice’s FARA (Foreign Agents Registration Act (https://www.fara.gov/), a requirement for US political consultants working for foreign governments. What is more, Manafort is no stranger to highly corrupt and authoritarian clients, including Zimbabwean and Egyptian authoritarian leaders Robert Mugabe and Hosni Mubarak respectively, a business group tied to Ferdinand Marcos, the dictator of the Philippines and Lynden Pindling, the former Bahamian prime minister who was accused of ties to drug traffickers. Some reports believed that Manafort’s long experience in Ukraine, running four election campaigns and coping with a popular uprising, would be invaluable to Trump but import dirtier East European election tactics into the US.

    Trump, Vladimir Putin and Yanukovych appear similar in many aspects such as populism, plagiarism and ties to crime. Also similarly, less educated and marginalised voters seeking a paternalistic leader have voted for the Party of Regions, Putin’s United Russia party in Russia and Trump in the US primaries.

    Yanukovych and Putin are clearly authoritarian, while Trump seems to lean this way as well. As the Economist notes, they “constructed and now inhabit post-fact worlds, in which the truth is malleable and disposable”. The wealth of Trump and Putin “plays to a popular cynicism, even despair, regarding politicians”. Meanwhile, both belittle their political adversaries and critical journalists with impunity. They “incoherently occupy a broad, populist political terrain: they offer protectionism to some low-wage workers and the promise of rising pensions, combined with an enthusiasm for money-making” and “in their extravagant tastelessness and shared macho posturing’s at the same time leave little political space for their opponents.”

    ...Manafort was also accused by former opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko of having facilitated the parking of “millions of dollars in offshore real estate investments, according to documents released as part of a federal racketeering suit”. The documents submitted to the court “offer a glimpse of Manafort’s financial ties to [Ukrainian gas tycoon Dmytro] Firtash who is wanted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation over bribery allegations” and “show how Manafort set up investment vehicles at Firtash’s behest in order to funnel his considerable fortune into real estate ventures in the United States and elsewhere”. ..

    ...In the lead up to the Republican Convention, the Trump campaign had “gutted” the Republican platform by watering down assistance to Ukraine and removing support for sending arms to Ukraine, a move that most Republicans had previously supported. As one of his foreign policy advisers, Trump has hired Carter Page, “a globe-trotting American investment banker who has built a career on deals with Russia and its state-run gas company [Gazprom].” Page is a critic of US-led sanctions against Russia and a “reliable defender of Russian intentions” portraying US policymakers as “stuck in an outdated Cold War mind-set”....
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    Jul 30, 2016 6:24 PM GMT
    " Trump has hired Carter Page, “a globe-trotting American investment banker who has built a career on deals with Russia and its state-run gas company [Gazprom].” Page is a critic of US-led sanctions against Russia and a “reliable defender of Russian intentions”

    The connections are getting more tangled, and much more obvious.
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    Jul 30, 2016 8:46 PM GMT
    If a Democratic presidential candidate had even 10% of the links to Putin/Russia that Trump does, the press would be questioning his/her patriotism and hounding him/her out of the race.
    But Trump is getting a pass.

    It's only slightly surprising that the Repubs failed to vet Trump and nominated an horrific candidate like DT, who sides with Russia over the US.
    After all, the Repub Party is run by batshit crazy politicians who don't care about anything but trying to win elections - and giving big tax cuts to the rich and the big corporations.

    But it's scary how much the media is trying to make Trump seem like a normal presidential candidate, when he's an unprecedented nightmare who threatens our national security - and democracy itself.

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    Jul 30, 2016 8:51 PM GMT
    What I find truly frightening is that someone who is running for president is telling a foreign country to to hack a citizen . Are you kidding me with this?
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    Jul 31, 2016 12:36 AM GMT
    The left wing NYTimes already exposed the corrupt Clinton Putin Uranium Deal in exchange for cash to the Clintons:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

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    Jul 31, 2016 12:42 AM GMT
    I wanted to say "lock him up" but I've decided to adopt Michelle Obama's motto: "When they go low, we go high."
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    Jul 31, 2016 3:16 PM GMT
    NEDC12 saidWhat I find truly frightening is that someone who is running for president is telling a foreign country to to hack a citizen . Are you kidding me with this?
    No what I find truly amazing is that so many of you ultra leftists want to go after Donald Trump when he is an innocent Saint compared to the Wicked Witch of Wall Street. Why don't you idiots do something constructive with your meaningless lives and investigate the numerous serious crimes and shady deals by the highly powerful syndicate known as the Clinton Foundation. Once you look into the murky, troubled history of the Clintons political careers and the powerful money laundering enterprise known as the Clinton Foundation, you will no longer be so willing to support the scum of the earth Clintons quest back to the White House.
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    Jul 31, 2016 4:23 PM GMT
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    NEDC12 saidWhat I find truly frightening is that someone who is running for president is telling a foreign country to to hack a citizen . Are you kidding me with this?
    No what I find truly amazing is that so many of you ultra leftists want to go after Donald Trump when he is an innocent Saint compared to the Wicked Witch of Wall Street. Why don't you idiots do something constructive with your meaningless lives and investigate the numerous serious crimes and shady deals by the highly powerful syndicate known as the Clinton Foundation. Once you look into the murky, troubled history of the Clintons political careers and the powerful money laundering enterprise known as the Clinton Foundation, you will no longer be so willing to support the scum of the earth Clintons quest back to the White House.


    Please start by watching Clinton Cash. Trump is a choir boy in comparison.

    Clinton Cash investigates how Bill and Hillary Clinton went from being “dead broke” after leaving the White House to amassing a net worth of over $150 million, with over $2 billion in donations to their foundation. This wealth was accumulated during Mrs. Clinton’s tenure as US Secretary of State through lucrative speaking fees and contracts paid for by foreign companies and Clinton Foundation donors.



    Much of it has been fact checked by NYT and others:
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1psPUpnycllEOLCxPnWWgzqd-FVvFas3F-i5UPO6uZq8/edit?pref=2&pli=1

    The producers are urging people to copy this movie and redistribute. The download link is on the Youtube page.







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    Jul 31, 2016 4:40 PM GMT
    desertmuscl saidPlease start by watching Clinton Cash. Trump is a choir boy in comparison.

    Absolutely true. All it takes is watching the first 30 minutes to see the deals the Clintons made with African war lords who committed genocide and took young girls into slavery. The Clintons are rotten to the core.
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    Jul 31, 2016 6:18 PM GMT
    mx5guynj saidThe left wing NYTimes already exposed the corrupt Clinton Putin Uranium Deal in exchange for cash to the Clintons:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0


    No ‘Veto Power’ for Clinton on Uranium Deal

    The author of “Clinton Cash” falsely claimed Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State had “veto power” and “could have stopped” Russia from buying a company with extensive uranium mining operations in the U.S. In fact, only the president has such power.

    The Clinton Foundation was forced to acknowledge that it “made mistakes” in failing to disclose some of its donations, and Republicans have questioned Hillary Clinton’s role in the sale. Mitt Romney said the money donated to the Clinton Foundation “looks like bribery,” and Sen. Rand Paul called for an investigation.

    But Schweizer and the Times presented no evidence that the donations influenced Clinton’s official actions.


    http://www.factcheck.org/2015/04/no-veto-power-for-clinton-on-uranium-deal/
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    Aug 01, 2016 6:06 PM GMT
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    NEDC12 saidWhat I find truly frightening is that someone who is running for president is telling a foreign country to to hack a citizen . Are you kidding me with this?
    No what I find truly amazing is that so many of you ultra leftists want to go after Donald Trump when he is an innocent Saint compared to the Wicked Witch of Wall Street. Why don't you idiots do something constructive with your meaningless lives and investigate the numerous serious crimes and shady deals by the highly powerful syndicate known as the Clinton Foundation. Once you look into the murky, troubled history of the Clintons political careers and the powerful money laundering enterprise known as the Clinton Foundation, you will no longer be so willing to support the scum of the earth Clintons quest back to the White House.


    Dude why don't you desist from being an asswad and try using the following: http://www.factcheck.org/search/
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    Aug 01, 2016 6:15 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob said
    NEDC12 saidWhat I find truly frightening is that someone who is running for president is telling a foreign country to to hack a citizen . Are you kidding me with this?
    No what I find truly amazing is that so many of you ultra leftists want to go after Donald Trump when he is an innocent Saint compared to the Wicked Witch of Wall Street. Why don't you idiots do something constructive with your meaningless lives and investigate the numerous serious crimes and shady deals by the highly powerful syndicate known as the Clinton Foundation. Once you look into the murky, troubled history of the Clintons political careers and the powerful money laundering enterprise known as the Clinton Foundation, you will no longer be so willing to support the scum of the earth Clintons quest back to the White House.


    Please start by watching Clinton Cash. Trump is a choir boy in comparison.

    Clinton Cash investigates how Bill and Hillary Clinton went from being “dead broke” after leaving the White House to amassing a net worth of over $150 million, with over $2 billion in donations to their foundation. This wealth was accumulated during Mrs. Clinton’s tenure as US Secretary of State through lucrative speaking fees and contracts paid for by foreign companies and Clinton Foundation donors.



    Much of it has been fact checked by NYT and others:
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1psPUpnycllEOLCxPnWWgzqd-FVvFas3F-i5UPO6uZq8/edit?pref=2&pli=1

    The producers are urging people to copy this movie and redistribute. The download link is on the Youtube page.




    "Much of it has been checked" you said. What you have not however said is the findings from these checks. But I have checked myself...
    According to http://www.factcheck.org/search/
    "Where Does Clinton Foundation Money Come from and Where does it Go?"

    Pretty much all of that video has been debunked.icon_rolleyes.gif

    Clintons' wealth is said to be $150M based on IRS filings. Chump's, depending on which side of the bed he crawls out from, he claims his worth is anywhere from $6-$10B. I prefer to trust someone who is known to be worth $150M than someone who cannot even get his wealth correct.
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    Aug 01, 2016 10:15 PM GMT
    NEDC12 said
    roadbikeRob said
    NEDC12 saidWhat I find truly frightening is that someone who is running for president is telling a foreign country to to hack a citizen . Are you kidding me with this?
    No what I find truly amazing is that so many of you ultra leftists want to go after Donald Trump when he is an innocent Saint compared to the Wicked Witch of Wall Street. Why don't you idiots do something constructive with your meaningless lives and investigate the numerous serious crimes and shady deals by the highly powerful syndicate known as the Clinton Foundation. Once you look into the murky, troubled history of the Clintons political careers and the powerful money laundering enterprise known as the Clinton Foundation, you will no longer be so willing to support the scum of the earth Clintons quest back to the White House.


    Dude why don't you desist from being an asswad and try using the following: http://www.factcheck.org/search/
    Hey asshole, why don't you stop being so stupid and face the harsh fact that Hillary rotten Clinton is totally unfit and unqualified for the White House. Everything I said is true fact. You cannot stomach the truth, well than stay the fuck off of here and take your undereducated, Hillary loving ass someplace else like a psychiatric ward because you are not too swift to begin with.
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    Aug 01, 2016 10:27 PM GMT
    NEDC12 said...Pretty much all of that video has been debunked...


    I was going to watch that but in the first few lines already it was spewing bullshit so I just clicked it off my screen. I think it was where it says the Clinton Foundation gives only 10% to charity when the real figure is that it gives higher than industry average.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/...higher than the 75 percent considered the industry standard...CharityWatch concluded about 89 percent of its budget is spent on programs. That’s the amount it spent on charity...


    So this piece of shit is nothing but a crock of shit being disseminated by the Gobs Of Poop. These Rjepublicans should do everyone a favor and go fuck themselves.
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    Aug 01, 2016 11:27 PM GMT
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    NEDC12 said
    roadbikeRob said
    NEDC12 saidWhat I find truly frightening is that someone who is running for president is telling a foreign country to to hack a citizen . Are you kidding me with this?
    No what I find truly amazing is that so many of you ultra leftists want to go after Donald Trump when he is an innocent Saint compared to the Wicked Witch of Wall Street. Why don't you idiots do something constructive with your meaningless lives and investigate the numerous serious crimes and shady deals by the highly powerful syndicate known as the Clinton Foundation. Once you look into the murky, troubled history of the Clintons political careers and the powerful money laundering enterprise known as the Clinton Foundation, you will no longer be so willing to support the scum of the earth Clintons quest back to the White House.


    Dude why don't you desist from being an asswad and try using the following: http://www.factcheck.org/search/
    Hey asshole, why don't you stop being so stupid and face the harsh fact that Hillary rotten Clinton is totally unfit and unqualified for the White House. Everything I said is true fact. You cannot stomach the truth, well than stay the fuck off of here and take your undereducated, Hillary loving ass someplace else like a psychiatric ward because you are not too swift to begin with.

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    Dude:It is impossible for me to be stupid. For me to be stupid, I would have to be a republican. Science has proved that conservatives are dumb. Well they actually stated that they are not as intelligent as liberals (which is just a nice way of saying you guys are dumb.) Clearly you were part of the population that was surveyed.

    Sweet Brown Baby Jesus: I simply do not know what to do with your comment about Hillary being totally unfit and unqualified for the White House. If she is that, simply imagine what that vile, abhorrent, turd is...

    Leave here and allow you to keep sticking your head up Chump's, stinky, vile,abhorrent,bigoted ass? Hell no- that ain't gonna happen.

    Your turn...Go on now.. Have at it...

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    Aug 01, 2016 11:35 PM GMT
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    NEDC12 said...Pretty much all of that video has been debunked...


    I was going to watch that but in the first few lines already it was spewing bullshit so I just clicked it off my screen. I think it was where it says the Clinton Foundation gives only 10% to charity when the real figure is that it gives higher than industry average.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/...higher than the 75 percent considered the industry standard...CharityWatch concluded about 89 percent of its budget is spent on programs. That’s the amount it spent on charity...


    So this piece of shit is nothing but a crock of shit being disseminated by the Gobs Of Poop. These Rjepublicans should do everyone a favor and go fuck themselves.


    I used to think that people who were of the republican mindset were just misguided fools in need of a parent's love or some such. I have come to realize that they are that, but even more sad they are just basically willfully ignorant

  • Aug 01, 2016 11:46 PM GMT
    I 100% support Russia, it's only in America's best interest to be for us, than against us.
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    Aug 02, 2016 12:10 AM GMT
    How Paul Manafort Wielded Power in Ukraine Before Advising Donald Trump

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/01/us/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html?ribbon-ad-idx=3&rref=politics&module=Ribbon&version=context&region=Header&action

    WASHINGTON — Few political consultants have had a client fail quite as spectacularly as Paul Manafort’s did in Ukraine in the winter of 2014.

    President Viktor F. Yanukovych, who owed his election to, as an American diplomat put it, an “extreme makeover” Mr. Manafort oversaw, bolted the country in the face of violent street protests. He found sanctuary in Russia and never returned, as his patron, President Vladimir V. Putin, proceeded to dismember Ukraine, annexing Crimea and fomenting a war in two other provinces that continues.

    Mr. Manafort was undaunted.

    Within months of his client’s political demise, he went to work seeking to bring his disgraced party back to power, much as he had Mr. Yanukovych himself nearly a decade earlier. Mr. Manafort has already had some success, with former Yanukovych loyalists — and some Communists — forming a new bloc opposing Ukraine’s struggling pro-Western government.

    And now Mr. Manafort has taken on a much larger campaign, seeking to turn Donald J. Trump into a winning presidential candidate.