Trump lashes out at the Muslim parents of a dead U.S. soldier

  • jeepguySD

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    Jul 31, 2016 5:39 AM GMT
    Republican Donald Trump lashed out Saturday at two Muslim American parents who lost their son while he served in the U.S. military in Iraq and who appeared at the Democratic National Convention last week, stirring outrage among critics who said the episode proves that Trump lacks the compassion and temperament to be president.

    “Who wrote that? Did Hillary’s scriptwriters write it?” [Trump] asked in an interview with ABC.

    Trump also questioned why Khan’s wife, Ghazala, did not speak on stage, despite the fact that she sat for an interview with MSNBC the following day.

    “His wife, if you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say,” he said. “You tell me, but plenty of people have written that. She was extremely quiet and it looked like she had nothing to say.”

    Although only the latest instance in which Trump has attacked a convention speaker, the Republican nominee’s remarks drew strong rebukes Saturday — but only silence from several senior GOP leaders, including House Speaker Paul D. Ryan, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and the vice-presidential nominee, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence.

    “Trump’s slur against Captain Khan’s mother is, even for him, beyond the pale,” tweeted John Weaver, a Republican strategist for Ohio Gov. John Kasich. “He has NO redeeming qualities.”

    In the ABC interview, Trump pointed to the sacrifices he has made as a businessman: “I think I’ve made a lot of sacrifices. I work very, very hard. I’ve created thousands and thousands of jobs, tens of thousands of jobs,” Trump said.

    “I think my popularity with the vets is through the roof,” he added later.

    The backlash was swift and unsparing Saturday as high-profile political strategists from both parties tore into Trump and questioned his character.

    Trump’s comments about the Khan family are the latest in a series of searing attacks against individuals who spoke at the Democratic convention, including retired four-star Marine Corps Gen. John Allen, whom Trump referred to as a “failed general” during a campaign event in Denver Friday evening.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/backlash-for-trump-after-he-lashes-out-at-the-muslim-parents-of-a-dead-us-soldier/2016/07/30/34b0aad4-5671-11e6-88eb-7dda4e2f2aec_story.html

    Trump truly has no shame, no sense of propriety, no compassion. His egotism and megalomania seem to have no limits.
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    Jul 31, 2016 12:28 PM GMT
    Trump is so thin-skinned and belligerent, he can't help lashing out at anyone who criticizes him or questions his honesty and integrity. More proof (if any were needed) of his total unfitness for the presidency. All he had to say was, "I'm so sorry for Mr and Mrs Khan's loss" and leave it at that.
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    Jul 31, 2016 2:56 PM GMT
    I don't think there is anyone, including Trump, who doesn't sympathize with the loss that the Khan's felt over the death of their son. That said, if you go on national TV and trash Trump, doesn't matter who you are, you don't get a free pass from Trump responding. Trump is not against Islam or Muslims, he's against Radical Islamist Terrorism -- big difference. It should be noted that not a word was uttered by Mr. Khan about the scourge of Radical Islamist Terrorism, in fact, the silence on that topic was deafening. They were there as props being used by the DNC and the Hillary campaign to attack Trump.

    George Stephanopoulos on ABC this morning lured Trump in with his typical "Gotcha" question like he always does. This time the question was "What sacrifices have you made?". Can you imagine George Stephanopoulos asking Hillary Clinton that question? It would NEVER happen.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI don't think there is anyone, including Trump, who doesn't sympathize with the loss that the Khan's felt over the death of their son. That said, if you go on national TV and trash Trump, doesn't matter who you are, you don't get a free pass from Trump responding. Trump is not against Islam or Muslims, he's against Radical Islamist Terrorism -- big difference. It should be noted that not a word was uttered by Mr. Khan about the scourge of Radical Islamist Terrorism, in fact, the silence on that topic was deafening. They were there as props being used by the DNC and the Hillary campaign to attack Trump.

    George Stephanopoulos on ABC this morning lured Trump in with his typical "Gotcha" question like he always does. This time the question was "What sacrifices have you made?". Can you imagine George Stephanopoulos asking Hillary Clinton that question? It would NEVER happen.

    Good points. Also as I point out in the thread linked below the father is ignorant about the Constitution by suggesting it provides equal access to all non-citizens outside the US. He's not alone here as many including some on this site are similarly ignorant about the Constitution.

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    Jul 31, 2016 3:44 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI don't think there is anyone, including Trump, who doesn't sympathize with the loss that the Khan's felt over the death of their son. That said, if you go on national TV and trash Trump, doesn't matter who you are, you don't get a free pass from Trump responding. Trump is not against Islam or Muslims, he's against Radical Islamist Terrorism -- big difference. It should be noted that not a word was uttered by Mr. Khan about the scourge of Radical Islamist Terrorism, in fact, the silence on that topic was deafening. They were there as props being used by the DNC and the Hillary campaign to attack Trump.

    George Stephanopoulos on ABC this morning lured Trump in with his typical "Gotcha" question like he always does. This time the question was "What sacrifices have you made?". Can you imagine George Stephanopoulos asking Hillary Clinton that question? It would NEVER happen.
    Obviously it will never happen because everyone in the mainstream media knows damn well that Hillary never sacrificed a thing in her pampered, silver spooned life. She is a spoiled rotten brat who still thinks that she is entitled to political power.
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    Jul 31, 2016 4:48 PM GMT
    One thing is for sure, no matter who you are or your political party affiliation, most Americans can and do appreciate US armed service members. I am not sure the average, Trump style 'corporation' gets it though. Armed services is a different kind of 'business model' within the service industry. War itself is big business for some but because war is not 'privatized' like a or under corporation, at least in US terms, war is purely a government issue. Trump would "incorporate" US defense

    If you look at war reporting structure in the "chain of command" sense, why does the armed services ultimately "report" to the president of the united states? Is it because the executive branch, at least US government, has sole authority to declare war or the use of armed services when needed? But not alone, the legislative branch, congress, still have to approve funding for such service. Why does congress then hold the purse strings, why not the Treasury Department?

    Republicans continue to want to privatize social security for all americans, but what would happen if the armed services became privatized, detached from executive and legislative branches? The armed services are of the 'blue collar' employment nature as is your local police department. I really don't think Trump was thinking of these people when he spent all that time on TV, especially, Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. Trump is a walking, talking oxymoron. Please don't give him carte blanche with billions of yearly tax payer dollars for armed services and our nuclear codes

    I have never served but I can tell you after wearing this costume for Halloween a few years ago, a US Marine wrestler, the countless number of people that either walked by and saluted and or thanked me for my service, it was emotionally moving at times especially when you are asked for a photo op with complete strangers. I don't consider myself a patriot though, there are things about the government run "war business model" I don't like, such as profiteers. The way I see it, If the earth and all her land was ruled by 'one government', the US land would be that governments military installation.


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    CuriousJockAZ saidI don't think there is anyone, including Trump, who doesn't sympathize with the loss that the Khan's felt over the death of their son. That said, if you go on national TV and trash Trump, doesn't matter who you are, you don't get a free pass from Trump responding. Trump is not against Islam or Muslims, he's against Radical Islamist Terrorism -- big difference. It should be noted that not a word was uttered by Mr. Khan about the scourge of Radical Islamist Terrorism, in fact, the silence on that topic was deafening. They were there as props being used by the DNC and the Hillary campaign to attack Trump.

    George Stephanopoulos on ABC this morning lured Trump in with his typical "Gotcha" question like he always does. This time the question was "What sacrifices have you made?". Can you imagine George Stephanopoulos asking Hillary Clinton that question? It would NEVER happen.

    Good points. Also as I point out in the thread linked below the father is ignorant about the Constitution by suggesting it provides equal access to all non-citizens outside the US. He's not alone here as many including some on this site are similarly ignorant about the Constitution.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4233750


    Did Trump debate the finer points of the US Constitution (as if) or clarify his comments about Muslims? Nope. Instead, he took a swipe at Mrs Khan and questioned the honesty of Mr Khan's speech writing. Of course, Lyin' Donald knows he can say whatever he likes and he'll still get the backing of his hopelessly uncritical support base (see above).
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI don't think there is anyone, including Trump, who doesn't sympathize with the loss that the Khan's felt over the death of their son. That said, if you go on national TV and trash Trump, doesn't matter who you are, you don't get a free pass from Trump responding. Trump is not against Islam or Muslims, he's against Radical Islamist Terrorism -- big difference. It should be noted that not a word was uttered by Mr. Khan about the scourge of Radical Islamist Terrorism, in fact, the silence on that topic was deafening. They were there as props being used by the DNC and the Hillary campaign to attack Trump.

    George Stephanopoulos on ABC this morning lured Trump in with his typical "Gotcha" question like he always does. This time the question was "What sacrifices have you made?". Can you imagine George Stephanopoulos asking Hillary Clinton that question? It would NEVER happen.


    So what was Captain Khan doing in Iraq? Fighting fairies?
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    Jul 31, 2016 9:51 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI don't think there is anyone, including Trump, who doesn't sympathize with the loss that the Khan's felt over the death of their son. That said, if you go on national TV and trash Trump, doesn't matter who you are, you don't get a free pass from Trump responding. Trump is not against Islam or Muslims, he's against Radical Islamist Terrorism -- big difference. It should be noted that not a word was uttered by Mr. Khan about the scourge of Radical Islamist Terrorism, in fact, the silence on that topic was deafening. They were there as props being used by the DNC and the Hillary campaign to attack Trump.

    George Stephanopoulos on ABC this morning lured Trump in with his typical "Gotcha" question like he always does. This time the question was "What sacrifices have you made?". Can you imagine George Stephanopoulos asking Hillary Clinton that question? It would NEVER happen.


    So what was Captain Khan doing in Iraq? Fighting fairies?


    I believe Trump called Captain Khan a "hero" in the ABC interview. The father went on national TV as a prop to the Clinton campaign to insult Trump. Trump had every right to respond. Not a word from Mr. Khan denouncing the animals who have hijacked his religion...NOT ONE WORD. That speaks volumes. It was clearly more important to this man to trash Trump rather than denounce Radical Islamist Terrorism. Mr. Khan has now paraded himself to the Sunday morning news show circuit to continue his campaign to trash Trump. The more appearances he makes, the more of a prop-like figure he becomes, making his whole argument less effective. Mr. Khan is a lawyer who represents Muslim immigrants. Can any bias be drawn from that? You decide.
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    The more appearances [Khan] makes, the more of a prop-like figure he becomes, making his whole argument less effective. Mr. Khan is a lawyer who represents Muslim immigrants. Can any bias be drawn from that? You decide.

    I think the public is indeed largely deciding. Attacking the wife, who was unable to speak due to her emotions, as she has explained, was a typical Trump low blow. Trump is losing ground on this one, as I'm sure his advisors are telling him and urging him to back off and shut up, insofar as anyone can influence The Donald.

    And Mr. Khan's live appearances on talk shows demonstrate that he can speak with his own words. He didn't need to be scripted at the convention, as some Hillaryphobes are suggesting. I think even Democrats are surprised at this aftermath. Khan was supposed to be one of a series of speakers, not steal the whole convention. But he did, and for good reason. Good for him and his wife!
  • KissTheSky

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    Aug 01, 2016 12:59 AM GMT
    Each week seems to bring a new low for sleazy Donald.
    The nation is horrified to see him attacking these grieving parents.
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    Aug 01, 2016 1:29 AM GMT
    Trump questions gold star parents motives . A new low in Republican politics...
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    My Grandmother was a Gold Star Mother. She lost her only son, my uncle and namesake Robert, in St. Lo, France, a few weeks after he invaded through Normandy.

    She never recovered. Nor did her husband, my grandfather. Shortly after his son's remains were "repatriated" for final burial in the US in 1947, in a cemetary where both his parents now rest beside him, my grandfather hung himself. A fact that was kept hidden from me until my 40s. As was the fact that my grandmother, who died of cancer in 1959, became a serious alcoholic, in apparent response to losing both her husband and her son.

    I remember her lovingly, but i wonder how I could have kept my own mind under those circumstances. And I also remember her wearing a Gold Star Mother's uniform, which they had in those days. A kind of beige military thing, that she would don to march in patriotic Main Street holiday parades back in the 1950s.

    Something you don't see so much anymore. And my Father would wear his Army uniform, and my Mother hers, and I'd wave to them from the sidewalk. And would later march in them myself, leading an element as the Captain of the Sons of the American Legion.

    Yeah, my family was that gung-ho patriotic. I know more about service to our country than most of these RJ clowns calling me a "libtard" and other slanders will ever understand. Every male in my family lineage for 350 years has worn a military uniform in this country, from colonial times to the present. Including my oldest son, who's served in Afghanistan.

    So that I can understand this woman's grief. It is my grandmother's grief. And Donald Trump disses her?

    Even other Republicans are running away from this. But being a Hillary supporter, it is nice to watch the train wreck. I've always said that Trump's own mouth will undo him more than any Democrat can.

    And if this woman chooses not to speak very much publicly, because of her loss & pain., I understand that. I saw it in my own family.
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    Aug 01, 2016 2:50 AM GMT
    So Trump is using the parents' own grief to torture them? Gee, it's a good thing the Nazis didn't think of that first.

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    Longblack said
    CuriousJockAZ saidI don't think there is anyone, including Trump, who doesn't sympathize with the loss that the Khan's felt over the death of their son. That said, if you go on national TV and trash Trump, doesn't matter who you are, you don't get a free pass from Trump responding. Trump is not against Islam or Muslims, he's against Radical Islamist Terrorism -- big difference. It should be noted that not a word was uttered by Mr. Khan about the scourge of Radical Islamist Terrorism, in fact, the silence on that topic was deafening. They were there as props being used by the DNC and the Hillary campaign to attack Trump.

    George Stephanopoulos on ABC this morning lured Trump in with his typical "Gotcha" question like he always does. This time the question was "What sacrifices have you made?". Can you imagine George Stephanopoulos asking Hillary Clinton that question? It would NEVER happen.


    So what was Captain Khan doing in Iraq? Fighting fairies?


    I believe Trump called Captain Khan a "hero" in the ABC interview. The father went on national TV as a prop to the Clinton campaign to insult Trump. Trump had every right to respond. Not a word from Mr. Khan denouncing the animals who have hijacked his religion...NOT ONE WORD. That speaks volumes. It was clearly more important to this man to trash Trump rather than denounce Radical Islamist Terrorism. Mr. Khan has now paraded himself to the Sunday morning news show circuit to continue his campaign to trash Trump. The more appearances he makes, the more of a prop-like figure he becomes, making his whole argument less effective. Mr. Khan is a lawyer who represents Muslim immigrants. Can any bias be drawn from that? You decide.


    You are correct that Trump had every "right" to respond but was it a good idea? Politics are theater and attacking the parents of soldiers is terrible theater if you want to look like the good guy. Bush handled a similar situation far better when Cindy Sheehan was protesting outside of his ranch in Texas by basically ignoring her. Trump is giving into his worst impulses by engaging in this debate and it only hurts him the longer it stays in the news.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI don't think there is anyone, including Trump, who doesn't sympathize with the loss that the Khan's felt over the death of their son. That said, if you go on national TV and trash Trump, doesn't matter who you are, you don't get a free pass from Trump responding. Trump is not against Islam or Muslims, he's against Radical Islamist Terrorism -- big difference. It should be noted that not a word was uttered by Mr. Khan about the scourge of Radical Islamist Terrorism, in fact, the silence on that topic was deafening. They were there as props being used by the DNC and the Hillary campaign to attack Trump.

    George Stephanopoulos on ABC this morning lured Trump in with his typical "Gotcha" question like he always does. This time the question was "What sacrifices have you made?". Can you imagine George Stephanopoulos asking Hillary Clinton that question? It would NEVER happen.


    I seem to have missed it, so perhaps you can point it out to me: Where is a statement from Trump expressing his sympathy for the death of this soldier?
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    Aug 01, 2016 7:34 PM GMT
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    I seem to have missed it, so perhaps you can point it out to me: Where is a statement from Trump expressing his sympathy for the death of this soldier?


    Trump had no idea who the Khan family was until they appeared on stage at the DNC convention and attacked him. Trump did call their son a hero. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/759734698415312897 --- I'm pretty sure that's all they are going to get from Trump seeing that they have proceeded to appear on pretty much any liberal media outlet who will have them yesterday and today to continue their media blitz to trash Trump. This was all clearly orchestrated by the Clinton campaign. I call it "The Khan Job"
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    McCain slams Trump over Khan fight

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/mccain-statement-226495

    VFW rips Trump's 'out-of-bounds' attack on Khan family

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/vfw-trump-khan-feud-226509#ixzz4G7CiDRbF
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    About Donald Trump's "SACRIFICES"

    "The New York billionaire has always insisted that he was prepared to serve if he had not gotten a high number in the draft lottery in December 1969. But all the evidence shows Trump played the deferment system for better than a year until that safe number was secured."

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-vietnam-draft-sacrifice-226514#ixzz4G7DN3B4f
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    Aug 01, 2016 9:45 PM GMT
    When will the clown realize that Trump v Gold Star family is a battle he cannot win? Way to further alienate the Republican base.

    Gold Star families are demanding an apology from Donald Trump following Ghazala Khan's comments

    “We are all Gold Star Families, who have lost those we love the most in war. Ours is a sacrifice you will never know. Ours is a sacrifice we would never want you to know,” they wrote.

    “Your recent comments regarding the Khan family were repugnant, and personally offensive to us. When you question a mother’s pain, by implying that her religion, not her grief, kept her from addressing an arena of people, you are attacking us. When you say your job building buildings is akin to our sacrifice, you are attacking our sacrifice.”


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/gold-star-families-are-demanding-an-apology-from-donald-trump-following-ghazala-khans-comments-a7167236.html
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    Aug 01, 2016 10:54 PM GMT
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    NEDC12 said

    I seem to have missed it, so perhaps you can point it out to me: Where is a statement from Trump expressing his sympathy for the death of this soldier?


    Trump had no idea who the Khan family was until they appeared on stage at the DNC convention and attacked him. Trump did call their son a hero. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/759734698415312897 --- I'm pretty sure that's all they are going to get from Trump seeing that they have proceeded to appear on pretty much any liberal media outlet who will have them yesterday and today to continue their media blitz to trash Trump. This was all clearly orchestrated by the Clinton campaign. I call it "The Khan Job"


    Thank you for the reference: "Captain Khan, killed 12 years ago, was a hero, but this is about RADICAL ISLAMIC TERROR and the weakness of our "leaders" to eradicate it!"

    One follow up question if I may: You said that Trump only wants to ban radical Muslims from the country. How do you think this can happen? What process do you envisage can be implemented to determine if a person has been radicalize before he or she is allowed to enter?

    I am sure the family would have appeared on Fox as well, but I suspect Fox being the great bastion of truth that it is refused to have them on.
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    Ex_Mil8 saidWhen will the clown realize that Trump v Gold Star family is a battle he cannot win? Way to further alienate the Republican base.

    Gold Star families are demanding an apology from Donald Trump following Ghazala Khan's comments

    “We are all Gold Star Families, who have lost those we love the most in war. Ours is a sacrifice you will never know. Ours is a sacrifice we would never want you to know,” they wrote.

    “Your recent comments regarding the Khan family were repugnant, and personally offensive to us. When you question a mother’s pain, by implying that her religion, not her grief, kept her from addressing an arena of people, you are attacking us. When you say your job building buildings is akin to our sacrifice, you are attacking our sacrifice.”


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/gold-star-families-are-demanding-an-apology-from-donald-trump-following-ghazala-khans-comments-a7167236.html


    I hope he does not realize this. Let his childish petulance reign, I say.
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    NEDC12 said

    I seem to have missed it, so perhaps you can point it out to me: Where is a statement from Trump expressing his sympathy for the death of this soldier?


    Trump had no idea who the Khan family was until they appeared on stage at the DNC convention and attacked him. Trump did call their son a hero. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/759734698415312897 --- I'm pretty sure that's all they are going to get from Trump seeing that they have proceeded to appear on pretty much any liberal media outlet who will have them yesterday and today to continue their media blitz to trash Trump. This was all clearly orchestrated by the Clinton campaign. I call it "The Khan Job"


    Wow, you just jumped in on trashing Gold Star Families. We have come a long way from Republicans used to claim to be the big supporters of services members and their families. Now trashing them seems to be the new GOP norm.

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    Aug 02, 2016 3:58 PM GMT
    NEDC12 said
    One follow up question if I may: You said that Trump only wants to ban radical Muslims from the country. How do you think this can happen? What process do you envisage can be implemented to determine if a person has been radicalize before he or she is allowed to enter?



    Trump has revised his "Muslin Ban" over the last many months to be a "temporary halt" on immigration coming from countries who have terrorist ties until we figure out what is going on and, more importantly, so we can fine-tune our flawed immigration policy so that we know WHO is coming here, WHY they are coming here, WHERE they are going, and HOW LONG do they intend to come. I don't see this as radical policy, I see it as smart policy. We're living in a different world -- a dangerous world -- then perhaps any time in our history, and we have to be smart and vigilant. If this is deemed fear-mongering, so be it.
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    NEDC12 said
    One follow up question if I may: You said that Trump only wants to ban radical Muslims from the country. How do you think this can happen? What process do you envisage can be implemented to determine if a person has been radicalize before he or she is allowed to enter?



    Trump has revised his "Muslin Ban" over the last many months to be a "temporary halt" on immigration coming from countries who have terrorist ties until we figure out what is going on and, more importantly, so we can fine-tune our flawed immigration policy so that we know WHO is coming here, WHY they are coming here, WHERE they are going, and HOW LONG do they intend to come. I don't see this as radical policy, I see it as smart policy. We're living in a different world -- a dangerous world -- then perhaps any time in our history, and we have to be smart and vigilant. If this is deemed fear-mongering, so be it.


    I believe from day 1 he called it "temporary ban until we can figure this out". I never heard it to be permanent. It was just reported as permanent.