Jesus healed roman centurions twinky male lover in Matthew 8:5-13 and Luke 7:1-10.

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    "The Greek word that the Roman centurion uses in this passage to describe the sick man – pais – is the same word used in ancient Greek to refer to a same-gender partner."
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    Ekho saidhttp://wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/gay_couple.html

    "The Greek word that the Roman centurion uses in this passage to describe the sick man – pais – is the same word used in ancient Greek to refer to a same-gender partner."


    Wow, this is cool. I love how you add twinky to the description. Somehow I don't think the centurion would have said this :p.
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    Ekho saidhttp://wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/gay_couple.html

    "The Greek word that the Roman centurion uses in this passage to describe the sick man – pais – is the same word used in ancient Greek to refer to a same-gender partner."


    Wow, this is cool. I love how you add twinky to the description. Somehow I don't think the centurion would have said this :p.


    lol it's just what I envisioned when I read about it xD
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    Ekho saidhttp://wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/gay_couple.html

    "The Greek word that the Roman centurion uses in this passage to describe the sick man – pais – is the same word used in ancient Greek to refer to a same-gender partner."


    I put the question to Professor Bart Ehrman. His response:

    Not to my knowledge. The word means "child" or even "servant"


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    Ekho saidhttp://wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/gay_couple.html

    "The Greek word that the Roman centurion uses in this passage to describe the sick man – pais – is the same word used in ancient Greek to refer to a same-gender partner."


    I put the question to Professor Bart Ehrman. His response:

    Not to my knowledge. The word means "child" or even "servant"




    A servant is what he would have been after all however the word is unique like bear twink otter top bottom is today and has gay connotations also it is an uncomfortable subject for some Christians and they would rather shun it or try very hard to disavow the intensive research available about this particular subject online.

    further than that lets take a look at other gay terms from that time cited from @ wiki

    "A man or boy who took the "receptive" role in sex was variously called cinaedus, pathicus, exoletus, concubinus (male concubine), spintria ("analist"), puer ("boy"), pullus ("chick"), pusio, delicatus (especially in the phrase puer delicatus, "exquisite" or "dainty boy"), mollis ("soft," used more generally as an aesthetic quality counter to aggressive masculinity), tener ("delicate"), debilis ("weak" or "disabled"), effeminatus, discinctus ("loose-belted"), and morbosus ("sick"). As Amy Richlin has noted, "'gay' is not exact, 'penetrated' is not self-defined, 'passive' misleadingly connotes inaction" in translating this group of words into English.[46]"

    Ofc we are all free to believe as we wish, I guess the only way to know for certain is to ask Jesus ;-)
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    Ekho said
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    Ekho saidhttp://wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/gay_couple.html

    "The Greek word that the Roman centurion uses in this passage to describe the sick man – pais – is the same word used in ancient Greek to refer to a same-gender partner."


    I put the question to Professor Bart Ehrman. His response:

    Not to my knowledge. The word means "child" or even "servant"


    A servant is what he would have been after all however the word is unique like bear twink otter top bottom is today and has gay connotations also it is an uncomfortable subject for some Christians and they would rather shun it or try very hard to disavow the intensive research available about this particular subject online.



    You need more scholarly support for your assertion. Can you find two other uses of the term in Ancient Roman literature?
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    Ekho said
    StephenOABC said
    Ekho saidhttp://wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/gay_couple.html

    "The Greek word that the Roman centurion uses in this passage to describe the sick man – pais – is the same word used in ancient Greek to refer to a same-gender partner."


    I put the question to Professor Bart Ehrman. His response:

    Not to my knowledge. The word means "child" or even "servant"


    A servant is what he would have been after all however the word is unique like bear twink otter top bottom is today and has gay connotations also it is an uncomfortable subject for some Christians and they would rather shun it or try very hard to disavow the intensive research available about this particular subject online.



    You need more scholarly support for your assertion. Can you find two other uses of the term in Ancient Roman literature?


    WikiThere are a number of highly controversial interpretations of the relationship between the centurion and his servant according to contemporary ideas of sexuality. Among them are James Neill, who suggests that the Greek term "pais" used for the servant in Matthew's account almost always had a sexual connotation.



    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1743947


    http://www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Centurion.html

    FACTSTraditionally, “pais” has been translated as “servant.” However, a more accurate translation would be “young gay lover.”


    there's plenty of 'scholarly' research available to you on online, should either you or Bartholomew feel inclined to seek it. But my personal investigations into this have upended and I am sold and convinced icon_smile.gif

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    Ekho, you are sold and convinced, but you are in error. A slave is not a partner.

    Dr. Ehrman, someone is saying doulos means slave. A slave who must perform sexual favors is not a same-gender partner (disagreeing with the gentleman who made the initial assertion). That said, can we really rule out servant/slave performing some favor of bathing, massage, affection or sex?

    http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/viewtopic.php?t=7376 :
    I know very little about Greek but quite a lot about the Roman army and politics. The short version is that Centurions were not allowed to be married. They were not allowed to have ever been married. Therefore they did not have children. No Centurion would EVER admit to having an illegitimate child either, because at best they would lose their position, and perhaps be banished or exiled. However, it was not unknown for a Centurion to fall in love with a woman in the area he was serving in, and after his "commission" expired he would marry her. The reasoning was both practical and political. Firstly & most importantly, Centurions were selected from the general geographic area in which they served, were made Roman citizens if they weren't already, and marriage would potentially involve a high military officer in local political intrigue which the Romans didn't think would encourage loyalty to Rome rather than to local political intrigues.

    Centurions were high-ranking officers, and had servants; in the ancient world, including Jews in Judea/Israel, servants were almost always slaves (often indentured, "bondservants", those who couldn't pay their debts; just as often, captured during a military operation and kept as a slave rather than killed). Often, a Centurion's slaves were servants to the men under his command as well, including for "sexual favors".

    So "pais" in Matthew could not possibly be the Centurion's child. I would think it would be understood as "boy" in the sense of having a particular fondness for the person, and a sexual relationship would certainly be implied. Elsewhere in the Matthew passage the pais is referred to as "doulos", the formal word for "slave", but the Centurion himself uses a term of endearment. This endearment is also clear in how others describe the sick slave to Jesus.

    = = =
    "Emperors Trajan and Hadrian were dedicated to boys." - the book, Homosexuality and Civilization by Louis Crompton, ps105-106

    Same gender partner, no: same gender servant of non-sexual and sexual duties cannot be ruled out.

    = = =

    Ekho,
    We look forward to your agreement that a child slave is not a lover/partner of a freeman, especially a centurion.
    Steefen
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    Centurion and pais.
    Sir Kenneth Dover, a heterosexual, is the former President of Corpus Christi College, Oxford University, and Chancellor of the University of St. Andrews, Scotland, from 1981 until his retirement in 2005 and a noted authority on ancient Greece. In his book, Greek Homosexuality, he informs us that the younger partner in a homosexual relationship is called pais or paidika. This information impacts our Centurion and pais discussion.
    “The pais in a homosexual relationship was often a youth who had attained full height.” p. 16.

    “The Greeks often used the word paidika in the sense of ‘eromenos.’ ”[Meaning “the boy you are in love with]. p. 16. Paidika is the diminutive of pais.

    “The junior partner in homosexual eros is called pais (or of course, paidika) even when he has reached adult height and hair has begun to grow on his face.” p. 85.
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    Centurion and pais.
    Sir Kenneth Dover, a heterosexual, is the former President of Corpus Christi College, Oxford University, and Chancellor of the University of St. Andrews, Scotland, from 1981 until his retirement in 2005 and a noted authority on ancient Greece. In his book, Greek Homosexuality, he informs us that the younger partner in a homosexual relationship is called pais or paidika. This information impacts our Centurion and pais discussion.
    “The pais in a homosexual relationship was often a youth who had attained full height.” p. 16.

    “The Greeks often used the word paidika in the sense of ‘eromenos.’ ”[Meaning “the boy you are in love with]. p. 16. Paidika is the diminutive of pais.

    “The junior partner in homosexual eros is called pais (or of course, paidika) even when he has reached adult height and hair has begun to grow on his face.” p. 85.


    From an amazon reader review of this book:

    We know that Greeks -- at least those of the upper classes -- approved of man-boy romance. We don't know, however, what the general attitude was toward man-boy sex and how frequently it was a part of erotic relationships between men and boys. I am a scholar of ancient philosophy. I came to this book believing that sexual interaction between a man and his beloved was accepted by some, frowned upon by most but generally not taken too seriously. Plato's hard line against it was conservative, not radical, not an "ideal philosophical construction," as Dover would have it. Nothing in Dover's book convinces me that this view is wrong. Indeed, Aischines' speech against Timarchos, to which Dover devotes much space, tends to confirm it. The most natural inference from Aischines' speech is that neither he nor his audience saw anything wrong with being a "lover," but that they did disapprove of using one's beloved for sexual gratification. On p. 54 Dover admits that the physical relationship between lover and beloved is a "matter of conjecture," but elsewhere he seems to take it for granted. The title of his book is _Greek Homosexuality_, but a main question is to what extent Greek pederasty resembled the homosexual relationships with which we are familiar. I don't fault Dover for not answering that question decisively. I do fault him for not asking it.
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    Centurion and pais.

    Sir Kenneth Dover, a heterosexual, is the former President of Corpus Christi College, Oxford University, and Chancellor of the University of St. Andrews, Scotland, from 1981 until his retirement in 2005 and a noted authority on ancient Greece.

    In his book, Greek Homosexuality, he informs us that the younger partner in a homosexual relationship is called pais or paidika.

    This information impacts our Centurion and pais discussion.
    “The pais in a homosexual relationship was often a youth who had attained full height.” p. 16.

    “The Greeks often used the word paidika in the sense of ‘eromenos.’ ”[Meaning “the boy you are in love with]. p. 16.
    Paidika is the diminutive of pais.

    “The junior partner in homosexual eros is called pais (or of course, paidika) even when he has reached adult height and hair has begun to grow on his face.” p. 85.


    #1 You are assuming 100% carry over from a Greek man-boy relationship to a Roman man-slave boy relationship, in a military subculture of Roman civilization. It has already been established that the centurion's servant was also called slave.

    #2 You are not distinguishing between non-sexual man-boy romance and sexual man-boy romance.

    #3 Your original position was that partner was lover, not the more generic "partner" as in sexual partner. Is there partnership in a military man-slave boy arrangement?

    #4 Your position (Gay Christian 101) is in error and further, irrelevant, because 21st century, U.S. Christianity does not inspire or encourage us to have slave boys of adult height as objects of affection, sex., or platonic romance.
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    Yes, I did pass on the definition you provided to Dr. Ehrman.
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    Gay Christian 101
    Dr. Gagnon, arguably the foremost anti-gay scholar of our day, believes pais can be a reference to a partner in a homosexual relationship.


    Dr. Gagnon writes: “boy” (pais) could be used of any junior partner in a homosexual relation-ship, even one who was fullgrown.” Dr. Robert Gagnon, The Bible And Homosexual Practice, p. 163, footnote 6.

    Abundant historical evidence

    supports the assertions of Drs. Dover and Gagnon about the meaning of pais. Dr. Gagnon certainly does not believe Matthew and Luke told the story of the centurion and his beloved to legitimate gay relationships. However, that Dr. Gagnon, the leading anti-gay apologist admits that pais can describe a partner in a homosexual relationship is encouraging. His admission lends support to the twin truths that the gay Christian view: is not historical revisionism and is firmly rooted in historical fact.
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    Aug 03, 2016 4:39 AM GMT
    Gay Christian 101 Thucydides, Eupolis, Aeschines, Plato, Callimanchus and Plutarch used pais or paidika in the sense ofbeloved or same sex lover"


    :-)
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    Steefen#1 You are assuming 100% carry over from a Greek man-boy relationship to a Roman man-slave boy relationship, in a military subculture of Roman civilization. It has already been established that the centurion's servant was also called slave.

    #2 You are not distinguishing between non-sexual man-boy romance and sexual man-boy romance.

    #3 Your original position was that partner was lover, not the more generic "partner" as in sexual partner. Is there partnership in a military man-slave boy arrangement?

    #4 Your position (Gay Christian 101) is in error and further, irrelevant, because 21st century, U.S. Christianity does not inspire or encourage us to have slave boys of adult height as objects of affection, sex., or platonic romance.


    #5 Jesus healed someone without passing negative judgement (condemnation) and denying them healing attention. That's all that is. Jesus is not endorsing a lifestyle by the act of healing.
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    Ekho:
    However, that Dr. Gagnon, the leading anti-gay apologist admits that pais can describe a partner in a homosexual relationship is encouraging.

    Stephenoabc:
    What's encouraging about it?

    Ekho:
    His admission lends support to the truth that the gay Christian view is not historical revisionism but historical fact.

    Stephenoabc:
    The Gay Christian is concerned with what Jesus did not what the Roman centurion was doing.
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    Ekho said
    Gay Christian 101 Thucydides, Eupolis, Aeschines, Plato, Callimanchus and Plutarch used pais or paidika in the sense ofbeloved or same sex lover"

    :-)


    You are saying this again so we can know about the book?

    https://www.amazon.com/Gay-Christian-101-Self-Defense-Homosexuality/dp/0979246105/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1470244599&sr=8-1&keywords=Gay+Christian+101

    You can see an earlier post in the Spirituality thread where today's sex slave trade takes its tolls on young people forced into it.

    A military man and his post-puberty teenage, same-sex platonic and sexual slave.
    Not quite Sally Hemings, not quite the autobiographical film, For a Lost Soldier.

    Go on, say it in your words that with your Gay Christian 101, you're defending and advocating uneven power relationships between an adult man and a post-puberty (post-pubescent) teenage male who is not yet fully physically matured into an adult. In Greece, some soldiers had romantic interests with post-pubescents, aged 18-20.

    The Christian Church should bless these relationships, yes? Jesus healed a partner to this relationship.

    When the Centurion retired from his post, and then was allowed to marry, where does his former sex slave get loving affection, then?
    In what beneficial ways does Life go on after Centurion post has been served? Does he continue to get sex slave servants between 18 and 22?

    "We used to think that the brain was fully developed by very early teenagerhood and we now realise that the brain doesn't stop developing until mid-20s or even early 30s. There's a lot more information and evidence to suggest that actually brain development in various forms goes on throughout the life span.Sep 23, 2013
    Is 25 the new cut-off point for adulthood? - BBC News"

    "Like other parts of the male body, the penis will start growing and continue to grow throughout puberty. It will generally keep growing until puberty has ended. For most men, this means that the penis—and other portions of the body—will stop growing around the age of 14 to 16.
    When do Men Stop Growing? | Med Health Daily"

    Men grow the most from 12 to 16 with the increase in height being as high as 12 inches in normal cases. Boys actually gain the most weight during this period, too. The growth during this time period is mostly in the extremities with the legs, feet, arms and hands growing the fastest. It is for this reason that most teenage boys look very clumsy as they start getting accustomed to the changes in their body. Hair starts to appear all over the body during this period while change in the vocal cords occurs. The skin starts to get very oily during this period too and usually leads to acne. However, by 18, the body grows to its fullest with the shoulders getting broad and the body becoming more muscular.

    So, the most appropriate answer to questions like ‘what age do boys stop growing’ or ‘when do guys stop growing’ would be 18. However, there are a few cases where men continue to grow till 21 as well while there can be the odd exceptional case where a man might continue to grow till 25.

    Tips for Men to Grow Taller
    1. Sleep Well at Night

    Sleeping calmly at night is pretty important for the growth of your height as HGH (Human Growth Hormone) is released when a person is asleep. Moreover, the body actually grows the most during sleep so the more you sleep, the more your height will increase.
    2. Morning Stretches

    Morning stretches can be helpful in growing taller as there is a consensus found over the idea that gravity affects your body throughout the day and causes it to slump with the passing of time. To ensure that your body actually starts at its highest height at the start of the day, morning stretching exercises can help. Your body will be at its highest height after sleep and with stretching exercises, you can give it the head start it needs.
    3. Nutrition

    Nutrition obviously plays a major role in determining the height of a person and in answering the question: when do men stop growing. You should look to include vitamins, calcium and zinc in your diet as much as possible. Zinc and calcium would obviously strengthen your bones and help in stimulating growth. Vitamins obviously extract the best results from growth hormones and thus, you should incorporate vegetables and fruits in your diet to get vitamins which will be able to make better use of the growth hormones.
    4. Try a Massage

    When do men stop growing? The answer is as soon as puberty ends, but with proper massaging, development can be rekindled a bit in order to help you grow taller. A good masseuse won’t only help you with height issues but would obviously be able to fresh you up, too.
    5. Exercise

    Exercising can have a profound effect on increasing your height if you are young as the growth hormones are released after every session of exercise. So, try to jog, run, swim and ride a bicycle whenever you can and your height would grow as a result.
    6. Your Body Posture Matters

    A good posture is necessary to ensure that your body stays straight and you look as tall as possible. If you hunch during your normal posture, then it would have a detrimental effect on your spine’s curvature. So, it’s important that you practice a posture that keeps your chin high, your hips directly over your two feet and your shoulders not rolled. Incorporate the posture in your walks and while you sit down and avoid slouching as much as possible.

    How long does a penis continue to grow?

    Your penis would continually grow till you have reached the end of puberty. The main question is when does a person reach the end of puberty? The answer to this question varies from individual to individual and while one person might complete puberty at 14, the other may end puberty at 16. In almost all the cases, once you are 16, most of your body parts would stop growing any further.
    Growth hormones? What are they?

    Till the point when you have reached the completion of puberty, the growth hormones would continue to stimulate growth in your body. Growth hormones are released by a small structure deep within the brain with the hormones released while you sleep and after you have exercised.
    What is the best possible weight that would go well with my height?

    Your ideal weight can be easily determined through your height. For men, the rule of thumb says that if you are five feet tall then your weight should be close to 106 pounds. If you are five feet two inches tall then your weight should be close to 118 pounds. So, for every inch added after 5 feet, you should increase 6 pounds to the base of 106 pounds.

    For women, the rule of thumb says that ideal weight for a five feet tall lady would be close to 100 pounds with every extra inch of height after five feet increasing the ideal weight by five pounds.

    You can check the entire chart here: WalkTall: Ideal Weight

    http://www.newhealthguide.org/When-Do-Men-Stop-Growing.html

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    Aug 03, 2016 5:56 PM GMT
    So, it's possible this dear slave you put forth was late in his 16th year or a 17 year-old.

    Isn't it London where a man can have sex with a 17 year-old? Is that what you want for the United States?

    As law-abiding, Christian citizens of the United States, we may develop active romantic interests at age 18 and after, sometimes age 21 and after.
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    I might have to block your profile and ignore all of your posts.

    A doctor/healer without judging/condemning a person's lifestyle is not affirming that person's lifestyle, he is only providing a service.
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    Bart Ehrman:
    Where did you find that centurions could not be married? (Do ancient sources say this?)

    Steefen:
    I checked the url at the top of the section dealing with Centurions marrying. I would have to become a member of that forum to hope I could contract the person who posted in 2010. Next, I googled Ancient Roman Military Centurion and Marry (or something like that). A result was “Were Roman Centurions permitted to marry?”

    Best Answer:
    From Augustus reforms of the army in 25 BC till the reign of Septimus Severus (193-211),serving Roman soldiers were not allowed to marry until after discharge.This included centurions.
    However, Augustus did not intend his soldiers not to have families.Long term liasons with women and having children with them were permitted.Soldiers got a plot of land on discharge,usually near the base where they were stationed.As this was usually near the frontiers of the empire,

    Augustus expected the soldiers to marry these women (emphasis, I’m adding) on discharge (emphasis, I’m adding), thus giving the children citizenship.

    The Romans thus got military settlers on the borders of the empire,providing both a reserve of trained ex soldiers and potential future recruits from amongst their sons.

    Punishment for desertion was crucifixion, the deserter first having to ‘run the gauntlet’ between 2 lines of soldiers who would beat him with heavy sticks.

    Next Answer:
    It depends on what era of the Legions you’re asking about. Prior to the advent of the Empire yes, they were allowed to Marry. They were citizen Soldiers who served during the campaigning season and then went back to their farms or homes afterwards (usually). During the time of the Empire they were denied the right to marry for a while.
    Next Answer:
    Serving soldiers could not marry till the time of Septimius Severus 193-211. But many had informal unions which they confirmed on retirement.

    Okay, here’s something that you may find meatier because its from Stanford/Princeton
    https://www.princeton.edu/~pswpc/pdfs/scheidel/110509.pdf
    Just see the first two paragraphs of this paper.
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    StephenOABC saidI might have to block your profile and ignore all of your posts.

    A doctor/healer without judging/condemning a person's lifestyle is not affirming that person's lifestyle, he is only providing a service.


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    Steefen #1 You are assuming 100% carry over from a Greek man-boy relationship to a Roman man-slave boy relationship, in a military subculture of Roman civilization. It has already been established that the centurion's servant was also called slave.

    #2 You are not distinguishing between non-sexual man-boy romance and sexual man-boy romance.

    #3 Your original position was that partner was lover, not the more generic "partner" as in sexual partner. Is there partnership in a military man-slave boy arrangement?

    #4 Your position (Gay Christian 101) is in error and further, irrelevant, because 21st century, U.S. Christianity does not inspire or encourage us to have slave boys of adult height as objects of affection, sex., or platonic romance.

    #5 Jesus healed someone without passing negative judgement (condemnation) and denying them healing attention. That's all that is. Jesus is not endorsing a lifestyle by the act of healing.


    #6 Jesus really did not have a choice. Could Jesus really have turned down the request? Could he have really condemned the Centurion and not heal that domestic partnership? What trouble could that have invited?