Israel is NOT an 'Apartheid State'

  • mwolverine

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    Aug 06, 2016 8:34 PM GMT
    Just as homophobes confuse silly soundbites and empty slogans for arguments (e.g. "Perverts", "Child Molesters", "Unnatural", "Sodomites"), so too do Jew-haters engage in endless labels and vapid rhetoric. Aside from "occupation", one of their favorites is "Apartheid". The intention is to demonize Israel with false comparisons to South Africa.

    As we shall see, such associations are lazy slanders from people who can't actually build a case against Israel.

    Ponder the irony that the screeching comes from people who ignore apartheid laws against not just Jews but Palestinian Arabs in neighboring Arab countries.

    No apartheid in Israel, lots of it in the Arab world
    It's easy to illustrate Arab apartheid by specific reference to racial, ethnic, religious, and gender discrimination against Africans, Kurds, Christians, Jews, and women.

    http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4922/no_apartheid_in_israel_lots_of_it_in_the_arab_world

    Apartheid in the Arab Middle East
    http://factsandlogic.org/archive/ad_126.html

    Arab Apartheid Against Palestinians
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3127/arab-apartheid-against-palestinians

    The plight of the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon and other Arab countries has received little attention from the mainstream media in the West. Lebanon's apartheid laws deny Palestinians access to the majority of white collar positions in areas such as banking, medicine, management, law and education. Though born and raised in the country, they are denied political, economic and social rights.

    They hate Israel/Jews more than they care for the Palestinian Arabs.

    Note also how these lot seek not peace but Israel's destruction.

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210
  • mwolverine

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    Aug 06, 2016 8:35 PM GMT
    Israeli Arabs/Muslims, more than 20% of the population, are full citizens with equal protection under the law.

    Israeli Arabs/Muslims - including women - not only vote, they also form political parties and serve in the Knesset (parliament), including as government ministers. They serve in the foreign office, including as ambassadors.

    Israeli Arabs/Muslims serve in the judiciary, including as justices (judges) on the High (supreme) Court. The only such court in the region where an Arab citizen can sue his government, live to tell about it, and win or lose his case based solely on its legal merits.

    Israeli Arabs/Muslims also serve in the Israel Defense Forces, defending their country, achieving ranks of Major General (including the commanders of the Border Patrol and the Home Front Command.)
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    Aug 06, 2016 8:52 PM GMT
    NO apartheid at the beach
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    NO apartheid on public transit
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  • mwolverine

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    Aug 06, 2016 8:54 PM GMT
    It's not just Arabs that are hurt by the selective and false charge of the haters.
    While Israel is endlessly placed under the microscope, other groups suffer quietly, deprived of any spotlight:

    Simon Deng, Former Slave: "There Are Peoples Who Suffer From... Anti-Israelism Even More Than The Israelis.
    I Belong To One Of Those People."

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1933180

    Palestinians receive 13x's more foreign aid than Ethiopians Per Capita
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4055556
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    Aug 07, 2016 12:11 AM GMT
    Bring down the wall.
  • mwolverine

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    Aug 07, 2016 5:01 AM GMT
    94% of the security barrier is a fence, not a wall.
    It is only a wall in those areas where previously Arab terrorists would shoot at Israelis across the way.

    This thread isn't about the security barrier, but (as noted in the last video above) it was built in response to suicide bombings.
    Those who want to see Jews murdered hate it because it has been effective in stopping that.
    It has thus saved lives on BOTH sides (but again not a priority amongst the war-mongering haters).

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    Aug 07, 2016 7:14 AM GMT
    Britain and the UN truly screwed up with creating a country within another country. Israel is not free of sin either, they would exterminate Palatine given a chance.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Aug 07, 2016 1:18 PM GMT
    Aunty_Jack saidBritain and the UN truly screwed up with creating a country within another country. Israel is not free of sin either, they would exterminate Palatine given a chance.
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  • mwolverine

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    Aug 08, 2016 1:26 AM GMT
    What does lord Palpatine have to do with anything?

    The reality is that Israel could have destroyed "Palestine".
    It didn't, instead withdrawing from the areas where 97% of the Arab population resides.
    Including portions of Trans/Jordan's former so-called "West Bank" and all of Gaza.

    Sadly the reverse is not true:

    Poll: Two-Thirds of Palestinian Arabs support murder of Israeli Jews, 25% even if attackers are little girls
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4192905

    Yet Israel, the militarily stronger party, is still willing to make peace.
    While the Palestinian Arabs persist with violence, terrorism and war... and then pretend they are the victims.
    They are victims of their own decisions and of their leaders.

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210
  • mwolverine

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    Aug 08, 2016 1:34 AM GMT
    Aunty_Jack> the UN truly screwed up with creating a country within another country

    Israel was created in the Jewish homeland.

    Never in history was there an Arab state called "Palestine".
    About 1,000 years ago there was Jund Filastin, a military district of a foreign Arab Empire - an occupier.
    Note that Jund Filastin had a north/south divide with Jund al-Urdunn.
    That Filastin included Amman (today the capital of Jordan) while al-Urdunn included Nazareth, Acre, Tiberius, Safed, Haifa and Jenin.

    In the more than 725 year rule of both the Mamlukes and the Ottomans, there was no district known as "Palestine".
    In the 19th century, Acre (and today's northern Israel) was part of the Sidon (Lebanon) Sanjak, even its capital.

    Jews have been living on this land, CONTINUOUSLY, for at least 3,300 years.
    Albeit under the foreign occupations of more than a dozen empires since the fall of Jerusalem to the Romans in 70 CE.

    Jews are the only nation to have ever ruled this land, locally and independently.
    All others were foreign occupiers ruling from afar.

    Which is why, 100 years ago, "Palestine" was the Greek/Latin-European name for Eretz Yisrael, the land of Israel.
    As the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica wrote:

    Palestine: A geographical name of rather loose application. Etymological strictness would require it to denote exclusively the narrow strip of coast-land once occupied by the Philistines, from whose name it is derived. It is, however, conventionally used as a name for the territory which, in the Old Testament, is claimed as the inheritance of the pre-exilic Hebrews; thus it may be said generally to denote the southern third of the province of Syria.

    Maps of "Palestine" from the 14th through 19th centuries equated it with the Jewish Holy Land, subdivided into the Jewish tribal areas, and subtitled "Judea and Israel".

    Similarly, "Palestinian" as a noun didn't exist in antiquity, entering the lexicon only in 1905, to describe Jews living in "Palestine".

    The Palestine Mule Corps in WW I was composed of Jews volunteering to the British Army in WW I.
    The Palestine Post is today Israel's Jerusalem Post newspaper.
    The Palestine Brewery is today Israel's Nesher Beer.
    The Palestine Symphony is now the Israeli Philharmonic.
    The Palestine Brigades were Jews volunteering to the British Army in WW II.

    Thus, despite rare instances of misappropriation, Arabs into the 1950s denied the existence of "Palestine" and "Palestinian" - terms they correctly associated with Jews. They claimed "Palestine" and "Palestinians" were "Zionist inventions" that never existed.

    "Palestine" is the Latin/European name for Eretz Yisrael, the Jewish homeland
    and early 20th century Arab denials of the existence of "Palestine".

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/349491

    The Palestine Paradox
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2652202

    The Emergence of Palestinian Arab Nationalism in the Mid-to-Late 20th Century
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4193729
  • mwolverine

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    Aug 10, 2016 3:47 AM GMT
    People who haven't actually read former President Jimmy Carter's book "Palestine: Peace, not Apartheid" mistakenly think it to mean that there is apartheid in Israel. Let's look at his own clarification:

    It's not Israel. The book has nothing to do with what's going on inside Israel which is a wonderful democracy, you know, where everyone has guaranteed equal rights and where, under the law, Arabs and Jews who are Israelis have the same privileges about Israel. That's been most of the controversy because people assume it's about Israel. It's not. I've never alleged that the framework of apartheid existed within Israel at all
  • mwolverine

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    Aug 30, 2016 4:09 AM GMT
    I know what apartheid was, and Israel is not apartheid, says S. African parliament member
    BDS, according to the parliamentarian, is a movement of hatred and intimidation.

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/I-know-what-apartheid-was-and-Israel-is-not-apartheid-says-S-African-parliament-member-413101

    || Kenneth Rasalabe Joseph Meshoe, President of the African Christian Democratic Party, who is currently on a week-long visit to Israel, expressed his great admiration for the Jewish State in a brief interview with channel 10 and explained why it was inaccurate to call Israel an apartheid state.

    || "There are many Christians that support Israel, but they don't come out...Those who know what real apartheid is, as I know, know that there is nothing in Israel that looks like apartheid," Meshoe said, adding that those who voice support for Israel are usually faced with threats and "intimidation."

    || Meshoe went on to say that calling Israel an apartheid state "is an empty political statement that does not hold (any) truth," adding,"You see people of different colors, backgrounds and religions," interacting with each other everyday.

    || "The BDS movement is a real pain... to us in South Africa who love the truth, (the) BDS movement is not a democratic movement; they are a movement of intimidation, a movement that performs hatred," the parliamentarian said. "People who don't believe in hatred should not allow the BDS movement to stop them from doing the right thing."

    || "The BDS movement is a real pain... to us in South Africa who love the truth, (the) BDS movement is not a democratic movement; they are a movement of intimidation, a movement that performs hatred," the parliamentarian said. "People who don't believe in hatred should not allow the BDS movement to stop them from doing the right thing."


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    Aug 30, 2016 4:24 AM GMT
    But it is, it really really is, and guilty of genocide. It's amazing how so many whin about being bullied, become bullies. It may not look the same as American apartheid, were the blacks don't have to sit at the back of the bus. But apartheid is rail, and thriving in Israel. Bring down the wall.
  • mwolverine

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    Sep 02, 2016 2:30 AM GMT
    Aunty_Jack said> But it is, it really really is

    I'm wondering which word is challenging you: "really" or "is"?
    Sorry, given how wrong you are, I'll take his word over yours.

    Aunty_Jack> and guilty of genocide.

    Evidently Jews/Israel aren't very good at "genocide":

    Arab population in Israel, 1949: 156,000
    Arab population in Israel, 2014: 1,688,600


    That's growth of nearly 11x in 65 years.

    For comparison, in roughly the same period (1950-2010), the US population has only doubled (2x).
  • mwolverine

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    Sep 07, 2016 4:45 AM GMT
    Israel and the Apartheid Slander
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/01/opinion/israel-and-the-apartheid-slander.html

    By Richard J. Goldstone, a former justice of the South African Constitutional Court

    In Israel, there is no apartheid. Nothing there comes close to the definition of apartheid under the 1998 Rome Statute: “Inhumane acts ... committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime.” Israeli Arabs — 20 percent of Israel’s population — vote, have political parties and representatives in the Knesset and occupy positions of acclaim, including on its Supreme Court. Arab patients lie alongside Jewish patients in Israeli hospitals, receiving identical treatment.

    While “apartheid” can have broader meaning, its use is meant to evoke the situation in pre-1994 South Africa. It is an unfair and inaccurate slander against Israel, calculated to retard rather than advance peace negotiations.

    The charge that Israel is an apartheid state is a false and malicious one that precludes, rather than promotes, peace and harmony.
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    Sep 07, 2016 7:05 AM GMT
    But it it's, it it's honey child, they have this bloody big wall too prove it. So sad when God blesses a child with eyes, yet he fail to see.
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    Sep 08, 2016 5:35 AM GMT
    Aunty_Jack> But it it's, it it's honey child

    Hmmm. Who should we believe? President Carter, a South African member of Parliament and a South African jurist who helped end Apartheid - all concurring there is no Apartheid in Israel - or Aunty_Jack?

    Aunty_Jack> they have this bloody big wall too prove

    The separation barrier isn't relevant to the question. Else Northern Ireland with its "Peace Walls" is also Apartheid.

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    The peace line along Cupar Way in Belfast, seen from the Protestant side

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    Sep 08, 2016 6:05 AM GMT
    mwolverine saidAunty_Jack> But it it's, it it's honey child

    Hmmm. Who should we believe? President Carter, a South African member of Parliament and a South African jurist who helped end Apartheid - all concurring there is no Apartheid in Israel - or Aunty_Jack?

    Aunty_Jack> they have this bloody big wall too prove

    The separation barrier isn't relevant to the question. Else Northern Ireland with its "Peace Walls" is also Apartheid.

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    The peace line along Cupar Way in Belfast, seen from the Protestant side


    Anyone who supports these walls, can't object to Mr Trump building a wall.
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    Sep 12, 2016 3:20 AM GMT
    "One"> Anyone who supports these walls, can't object to Mr Trump building a wall.

    So you support Trump's proposed wall?
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    Sep 12, 2016 3:24 AM GMT
    Anyone who supports the wall in The apartheid state of Israel, can't object to Mr Trump building a wall.
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    Sep 12, 2016 3:33 AM GMT
    1. Do you support Trump's proposed wall or are you against it?

    2. Are you for or against the "peace walls" in Northern Ireland?

    [Edit: rather than answer the question and expose his own hypocrisy, he repeats the "Genocide" libel already discredited above.]
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    Sep 14, 2016 3:53 AM GMT
    Amazing how Israeli supporters turn a blind eye to genocide, just as many Germans once did. Anyone who supports the wall in Israel, can not object to Trump's wall.
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    Sep 14, 2016 8:18 AM GMT
    If Israel is not an apartheid, then explain:

    1. Israeli Jews' relatives or any Jews outside of "Israel" can automatically become Israeli citizens. But "Israeli Arabs" Palestinians living in "Israel" don't have that right. Israeli Arabs' relatives that are refugees cannot return to their loved ones in "Israel". Especially some diaspora Palestinians that were born and raised in the West Bank cannot return their home, but Jews from outside can live in Israel's illegal settlements on Palestinian lands.

    2. Some of the Israeli Arabs' 30-40 or more towns and villages are not recognized by Israeli government and demolished their homes many times.

    3. If "Israel" is a democracy state, then why it is a homeland for Jewish people and ignore non-Jewish minority? Shouldn't it be a homeland for all its citizens?

    4. Supreme Court rejects "Israeli" nationality status, because it would undermine Israel’s Jewishness. Yes very so-called "democracy".

    5. The "Israeli" government does not provide "Israeli Arabs" [Palestinians] with the same quality of education, housing, employment and social services as the Zionist Jews.

    More info. http://www.itisapartheid.org/laws.html
    Not All Israeli Citizens Are Equal
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    Sep 14, 2016 8:34 AM GMT
    God_Said saidAmazing how Israeli supporters turn a blind eye to genocide, just as many Germans once did. Anyone who supports the wall in Israel, can not object to Trump's wall.


    The so-called "security wall" is an Israel's racist policy of divide and rule to grab the Palestinian land. Nothing so-called "security" about it, when the wall is dividing the Palestinian houses, towns, villages, cities and farm lands.

    Palestinian Christian woman trapped between the two walls in Bethlehem.
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    85% of the wall is illegally built on occupied Palestinian land. Here is a picture of the wall dividing Palestinian town.
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    Free Palestine!



    http://972mag.com/no-mr-trump-walls-dont-work/117152/ - No, Mr. Trump, walls don't work