Nike Ad with Chris Mosier, First Transgender Athlete on a U.S. National Team

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    Aug 09, 2016 1:55 PM GMT
    Do some transgendered men not take drugs to change their sex? The one guy I know takes female hormones.
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    Aug 09, 2016 6:38 PM GMT
    MaleElement saidDo some transgendered men not take drugs to change their sex? The one guy I know takes female hormones.



    I have yet to meet one who doesn't take hormones. Otherwise, the just look like a dude in high heels.
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    Aug 10, 2016 12:55 AM GMT
    MaleElement saidDo some transgendered men not take drugs to change their sex? The one guy I know takes female hormones.


    I like my penis & men who have penis (got penis?) so I have no idea how all that works. But are you really questioning whether taking hormones which might be used by the transgendered act as hormones which might be used in doping?

    Besides that I have no idea, there's also the matter that even if taking hormones to trans might enhance physical ability, didn't this person start with the physical abilities of a female body? I'd know not if that's factored in nor how that might be factored in.

    But also, what if someone had another medical condition, a cancer or whatever, which required taking drugs which also as might have happened--& I'm totally guessing in left field here--could be used by a non cancer victim as an enhancement, Disqualified? If not, then why would that make a difference here?
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    Aug 10, 2016 4:38 AM GMT
    Could be a bit confusing for the commentators..."And, it's Chris Mosier taking a lead in the second lane...oops! Sorry, Christine!"
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    Aug 11, 2016 4:06 PM GMT
    I love how the trans community has claimed ownership of the word courage. But if they're all so courageous, why is their suicide rate so high?
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    Aug 12, 2016 12:24 AM GMT
    ^^The homophobes have been citing suicide rates to discredit gays for eons; talk about mixing up cause and effect... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 18, 2016 5:44 AM GMT
    This is actually an issue at the Gay Games with HIV+ participants and the Physique competition as some of the HIV medications were (are?) steroid based.

    They resolved it by having 2 separate categories, one that tests and one that doesn't.

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    what if someone had another medical condition, a cancer or whatever, which required taking drugs which also as might have happened--& I'm totally guessing in left field here--could be used by a non cancer victim as an enhancement, Disqualified? If not, then why would that make a difference here?
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    Aug 19, 2016 7:10 AM GMT
    MaleElement saidDo some transgendered men not take drugs to change their sex? The one guy I know takes female hormones.
    Many trans Men only want to achive a male look though medical Intervention, as many of them, if not most keep their VA Jay Jay. As gay men, we well know men don't have a dripping mucous membrane, we have cock and balls that we were born with.
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    Aug 19, 2016 3:30 PM GMT
    theonewhoknocks said^^The homophobes have been citing suicide rates to discredit gays for eons; talk about mixing up cause and effect... icon_rolleyes.gif


    Cause and effect? There's lots of animosity in the world, but other targeted demographics manage to handle their problems without an almost 50 percent suicide rate. There are kids in underdeveloped countries playing outside in shit water while everything explodes all around them, and they manage to not give up on everything. Way worse circumstances than a person not being able to use the restroom of their choosing, no? Aversion is a poor excuse here.. I'm totally fine with people committing suicide because I think it should be an individual's right, but touting that a demographic is soooooo courageous is undoubtedly problematic when it has such a high suicide rate.
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    Aug 19, 2016 6:18 PM GMT
    mwolverine saidThis is actually an issue at the Gay Games with HIV+ participants and the Physique competition as some of the HIV medications were (are?) steroid based.

    They resolved it by having 2 separate categories, one that tests and one that doesn't.

    theantijock said
    what if someone had another medical condition, a cancer or whatever, which required taking drugs which also as might have happened--& I'm totally guessing in left field here--could be used by a non cancer victim as an enhancement, Disqualified? If not, then why would that make a difference here?


    It's an odd complication that seems newly considered but really goes back quite a ways. Hadn't thought of it in a while but I remember similar issues back in the 70s with Renée Richards, that playing in the female category from having transitioned from male supposedly made her too strong. :::googling::: here ya go....

    [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Richards#Court_case[/url]Following Richards' disclosure of her gender reassignment, the United States Tennis Association (USTA), the Women's Tennis Association (WTA), and the United States Open Committee (USOC) required all women competitors to verify gender with a Barr body test of their chromosomes.[3][6][15] Richards applied to play in the US Open in 1976 as a woman but refused to take the test, and thus was not allowed to compete in the U.S. Open, Wimbledon, or the Italian Open in the summer of 1976.[3]

    Richards then sued the USTA in New York state court, alleging discrimination by gender in violation of the New York Human Rights Law.[3][6][15] She asserted that participating in the tournament would constitute "an acceptance of her right to be a woman."[6] Some USTA members felt that others would undergo sex change to enter women's tennis.[3][6] Sports Illustrated called Richards an "extraordinary spectacle", and characterized reactions to her as "varying from astonishment to suspicion, sympathy, resentment, and more often than not, utter confusion."[6] The USOC stated "there is competitive advantage for a male who has undergone a sex change surgery as a result of physical training and development as a male."[6][16] Richards finally agreed to take the Barr body test. The test results were ambiguous. She refused to take it again and therefore was barred from play.[6]

    On August 16, 1977, Judge Alfred M. Ascione found in Richards' favor. He ruled: "This person is now a female" and that requiring Richards to pass the Barr body test was "grossly unfair, discriminatory and inequitable, and a violation of her rights."[4][17] He further ruled that the USTA intentionally discriminated against Richards, and granted Richards an injunction against the USTA and the USOC, allowing her to play in the US Open.[4][6] Richards lost to Virginia Wade in the first round of the singles competition, but made it to the finals in doubles.