Hillary tax returns don't cover her criminal foundation activities - Trump should not release his returns

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    Aug 12, 2016 7:23 PM GMT
    The Clinton financial picture is significantly interwoven with the Clinton Criminal Foundation. Not part of her tax return which is sanitized to avoid the illegal activities.

    Classic Pay-to-Play': Giuliani Blasts 'Corrupt' Clinton Foundation
    ...money being given to the foundation in exchange for favors from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's State Department could constitute racketeering.
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/10/rudy-giuliani-hillary-clinton-should-be-prosecuted-corrupt-clinton-foundation

    Trump reports his return is very complex. Is there anything illegal there? The Obama IRS has been looking at his returns carefully. If there is anything illegal they will certainly not hide it. Most likely what it contains is legal tax avoidance measures that someone who makes $30,000 can't take advantage of. Just as the media made a big deal of Romney having an elevator in his garage certainly the media/Clinton campaign would make huge issues of everything they could find. They would make a big deal about Trump being able to take advantage of laws which they will call loopholes that most ordinary people can't use. Is that any surprise?

    Aside from the obvious media bias consider the NY Times blog saying they have a duty to make things up and be unfair to support their cause:
    Trump Is Testing the Norms of Objectivity in Journalism
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/business/balance-fairness-and-a-proudly-provocative-presidential-candidate.html?_r=0

    So should Trump give them material that they would misuse? I say fuck em and don't release the returns and say Hillary has not released her complete returns until she discloses all related material associated with her involvement with their slush fund foundation. That includes "discarded" emails by the way.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Aug 12, 2016 9:39 PM GMT
    bayguy saidThe Clinton financial picture is significantly interwoven with the Clinton Criminal Foundation. Not part of her tax return which is sanitized to avoid the illegal activities.

    Classic Pay-to-Play': Giuliani Blasts 'Corrupt' Clinton Foundation
    ...money being given to the foundation in exchange for favors from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's State Department could constitute racketeering.
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/10/rudy-giuliani-hillary-clinton-should-be-prosecuted-corrupt-clinton-foundation

    Trump reports his return is very complex. Is there anything illegal there? The Obama IRS has been looking at his returns carefully. If there is anything illegal they will certainly not hide it. Most likely what it contains is legal tax avoidance measures that someone who makes $30,000 can't take advantage of. Just as the media made a big deal of Romney having an elevator in his garage certainly the media/Clinton campaign would make huge issues of everything they could find. They would make a big deal about Trump being able to take advantage of laws which they will call loopholes that most ordinary people can't use. Is that any surprise?

    Aside from the obvious media bias consider the NY Times blog saying they have a duty to make things up and be unfair to support their cause:
    Trump Is Testing the Norms of Objectivity in Journalism
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/business/balance-fairness-and-a-proudly-provocative-presidential-candidate.html?_r=0

    So should Trump give them material that they would misuse? I say fuck em and don't release the returns and say Hillary has not released her complete returns until she discloses all related material associated with her involvement with their slush fund foundation. That includes "discarded" emails by the way.
    You damn well know that Hillary rotten Clinton will never release any tax returns pertaining to the money laundering syndicate known as the Clinton Foundation because that would open up massive cans of worms that could lead to her arrest and prosecution which would permanently scuttle her campaign for the White House.
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    Aug 12, 2016 10:27 PM GMT
    Hillary Clinton derives no income from the not-for-profit Clinton Foundation. Therefore, it would not appear on her tax returns. Period.

    The US Right Wingers, nutjobs, wackos are going insane because Hillary voluntarily released her tax return, in keeping with Presidential candidate tradition, while The Donald continues to refuse to release his. For the false reason that Trump is under audit. Which prevents nothing.

    Warren Buffett, a billionaire worth a few times more than the ALLEGED wealth of The Donald, will release his own tax returns while under audit. Seems easy enough, no laws broken.

    Sad that we see some of that Right Wing craziness spilling over onto RJ. The more Trump stumbles & slips, the more hysterical & irrational his supporters here become.

    What they evidently fail to perceive is that their lunacy is only causing them to lose their case. RJ guys are by & large kinda smart, not a bunch of stereotypically dense jocks. That's the Right's first mistake in coming here.

    Their second mistake is coming to a gay site, and trying to sell us Republican Party snake oil. That's designed to return us to second-class citizen status, even make us illegal in some places.

    Sorry, many of these guys have been there, experienced that. Ain't gonna do it again. Go peddle your BS elsewhere. You chose the wrong audience.
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    Aug 12, 2016 10:37 PM GMT
    I bet Warren Buffet's tax returns are "very complex" as well--and likely more complex than the Donald's by virtue of his $66B net worth--but he's willing to release them and compare them against the Donald's. Let's face it: the Donald is hiding something. Of course, the fact the he's being audited by the IRS does not preclude him from releasing his tax returns--the IRS has publicly said so.
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    Aug 12, 2016 11:00 PM GMT
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    bayguy saidThe Clinton financial picture is significantly interwoven with the Clinton Criminal Foundation. Not part of her tax return which is sanitized to avoid the illegal activities.

    Classic Pay-to-Play': Giuliani Blasts 'Corrupt' Clinton Foundation
    ...money being given to the foundation in exchange for favors from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's State Department could constitute racketeering.
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/10/rudy-giuliani-hillary-clinton-should-be-prosecuted-corrupt-clinton-foundation

    Trump reports his return is very complex. Is there anything illegal there? The Obama IRS has been looking at his returns carefully. If there is anything illegal they will certainly not hide it. Most likely what it contains is legal tax avoidance measures that someone who makes $30,000 can't take advantage of. Just as the media made a big deal of Romney having an elevator in his garage certainly the media/Clinton campaign would make huge issues of everything they could find. They would make a big deal about Trump being able to take advantage of laws which they will call loopholes that most ordinary people can't use. Is that any surprise?

    Aside from the obvious media bias consider the NY Times blog saying they have a duty to make things up and be unfair to support their cause:
    Trump Is Testing the Norms of Objectivity in Journalism
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/business/balance-fairness-and-a-proudly-provocative-presidential-candidate.html?_r=0

    So should Trump give them material that they would misuse? I say fuck em and don't release the returns and say Hillary has not released her complete returns until she discloses all related material associated with her involvement with their slush fund foundation. That includes "discarded" emails by the way.
    You damn well know that Hillary rotten Clinton will never release any tax returns pertaining to the money laundering syndicate known as the Clinton Foundation because that would open up massive cans of worms that could lead to her arrest and prosecution which would permanently scuttle her campaign for the White House.


    I don't get why you insist on wearing your ignorance like a badge but if you are interested in the tax filings of the Clinton Foundation they are publicly available.

    https://www.clintonfoundation.org/about/annual-financial-reports
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    Aug 12, 2016 11:29 PM GMT
    Cliche_Guevara said

    I don't get why you insist on wearing your ignorance like a badge but if you are interested in the tax filings of the Clinton Foundation they are publicly available.

    https://www.clintonfoundation.org/about/annual-financial-reports


    Standby for more pedantic waffle from bayguy (his default position when he gets called out on his BS).
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    Aug 13, 2016 1:19 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    Cliche_Guevara said

    I don't get why you insist on wearing your ignorance like a badge but if you are interested in the tax filings of the Clinton Foundation they are publicly available.

    https://www.clintonfoundation.org/about/annual-financial-reports


    Standby for more pedantic waffle from bayguy (his default position when he gets called out on his BS).


    I am fully confident that reality won't get in the way of this conspiracy theory. I guess we should just be thankful that we don't hear about Obama's birth certificate or about how he is a secret Muslim.
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    Aug 13, 2016 1:19 AM GMT
    DOMINUS saidI bet Warren Buffet's tax returns are "very complex" as well--and likely more complex than the Donald's by virtue of his $66B net worth--but he's willing to release them and compare them against the Donald's. Let's face it: the Donald is hiding something. Of course, the fact the he's being audited by the IRS does not preclude him from releasing his tax returns--the IRS has publicly said so.

    The point I made in the OP was the environment of an unprecedented media smear campaign against Trump. In that regard Buffet is in a completely different situation. There are some Republican status quo types who likely want a Clinton win to preserve their establishment. They want Trump to release his records. Besides them, the main ones who want this are those who support Hillary and want more material to smear Trump. They would make a big deal out of every legal deduction he takes and confuse the public that there is something illegal or immoral.
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    Aug 13, 2016 1:24 AM GMT
    Cliche_Guevara said
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    bayguy saidThe Clinton financial picture is significantly interwoven with the Clinton Criminal Foundation. Not part of her tax return which is sanitized to avoid the illegal activities.

    Classic Pay-to-Play': Giuliani Blasts 'Corrupt' Clinton Foundation
    ...money being given to the foundation in exchange for favors from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's State Department could constitute racketeering.
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/10/rudy-giuliani-hillary-clinton-should-be-prosecuted-corrupt-clinton-foundation

    Trump reports his return is very complex. Is there anything illegal there? The Obama IRS has been looking at his returns carefully. If there is anything illegal they will certainly not hide it. Most likely what it contains is legal tax avoidance measures that someone who makes $30,000 can't take advantage of. Just as the media made a big deal of Romney having an elevator in his garage certainly the media/Clinton campaign would make huge issues of everything they could find. They would make a big deal about Trump being able to take advantage of laws which they will call loopholes that most ordinary people can't use. Is that any surprise?

    Aside from the obvious media bias consider the NY Times blog saying they have a duty to make things up and be unfair to support their cause:
    Trump Is Testing the Norms of Objectivity in Journalism
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/business/balance-fairness-and-a-proudly-provocative-presidential-candidate.html?_r=0

    So should Trump give them material that they would misuse? I say fuck em and don't release the returns and say Hillary has not released her complete returns until she discloses all related material associated with her involvement with their slush fund foundation. That includes "discarded" emails by the way.
    You damn well know that Hillary rotten Clinton will never release any tax returns pertaining to the money laundering syndicate known as the Clinton Foundation because that would open up massive cans of worms that could lead to her arrest and prosecution which would permanently scuttle her campaign for the White House.


    I don't get why you insist on wearing your ignorance like a badge but if you are interested in the tax filings of the Clinton Foundation they are publicly available.

    https://www.clintonfoundation.org/about/annual-financial-reports

    Financial analyst alleges major holes in Clinton Foundation records
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/financial-analyst-alleges-major-holes-in-clinton-foundation-records/article/2591335

    Furthermore, as I stated but probably a bit to subtile for some of you is that the entire financial picture should be open for public view including the interaction among the Clintons, the Foundation, the State Department and the foreign donors. That includes emails, some of which are starting to come to light thanks to Judicial Watch, etc. That is the big picture to make an assessment of her candidacy, not just her tax returns.
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    Aug 13, 2016 1:27 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidHillary Clinton derives no income from the not-for-profit Clinton Foundation. Therefore, it would not appear on her tax returns. Period.

    The US Right Wingers, nutjobs, wackos are going insane because Hillary voluntarily released her tax return, in keeping with Presidential candidate tradition, while The Donald continues to refuse to release his. For the false reason that Trump is under audit. Which prevents nothing.

    Warren Buffett, a billionaire worth a few times more than the ALLEGED wealth of The Donald, will release his own tax returns while under audit. Seems easy enough, no laws broken.

    Sad that we see some of that Right Wing craziness spilling over onto RJ. The more Trump stumbles & slips, the more hysterical & irrational his supporters here become.

    What they evidently fail to perceive is that their lunacy is only causing them to lose their case. RJ guys are by & large kinda smart, not a bunch of stereotypically dense jocks. That's the Right's first mistake in coming here.

    Their second mistake is coming to a gay site, and trying to sell us Republican Party snake oil. That's designed to return us to second-class citizen status, even make us illegal in some places.

    Sorry, many of these guys have been there, experienced that. Ain't gonna do it again. Go peddle your BS elsewhere. You chose the wrong audience.

    "Hillary Clinton derives no reported income from the not-for-profit Clinton Foundation." You don't think she has any control or there is nothing unreported? Do you know the percent of income that actually goes to charity? Do you know how much Chelsea made from the foundation last year?

    You in particular discredit yourself supporting someone widely known to be a liar. But in you own bubble that is ok. You also don't speak for all RJ members.
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    Aug 13, 2016 1:36 AM GMT
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    Art_Deco saidHillary Clinton derives no income from the not-for-profit Clinton Foundation. Therefore, it would not appear on her tax returns. Period.

    The US Right Wingers, nutjobs, wackos are going insane because Hillary voluntarily released her tax return, in keeping with Presidential candidate tradition, while The Donald continues to refuse to release his. For the false reason that Trump is under audit. Which prevents nothing.

    Warren Buffett, a billionaire worth a few times more than the ALLEGED wealth of The Donald, will release his own tax returns while under audit. Seems easy enough, no laws broken.

    Sad that we see some of that Right Wing craziness spilling over onto RJ. The more Trump stumbles & slips, the more hysterical & irrational his supporters here become.

    What they evidently fail to perceive is that their lunacy is only causing them to lose their case. RJ guys are by & large kinda smart, not a bunch of stereotypically dense jocks. That's the Right's first mistake in coming here.

    Their second mistake is coming to a gay site, and trying to sell us Republican Party snake oil. That's designed to return us to second-class citizen status, even make us illegal in some places.

    Sorry, many of these guys have been there, experienced that. Ain't gonna do it again. Go peddle your BS elsewhere. You chose the wrong audience.

    "Hillary Clinton derives no reported income from the not-for-profit Clinton Foundation." You don't think she has any control or there is nothing unreported? Do you know the percent of income that actually goes to charity? Do you know how much Chelsea made from the foundation last year?

    You in particular discredit yourself supporting someone widely known to be a liar. But in you own bubble that is ok. You also don't speak for all RJ members.
    don't waste your breath on the ignorant liberals they'd follow that lying corrupt old bag to the depths of Hell, and your right they all live in their own little liberal bubble!
  • KissTheSky

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    Aug 13, 2016 2:33 AM GMT
    What is Trump hiding? Many people think he can't release his taxes because they would reveal that he's been lying about his wealth all along. And massive foreign loans, from hostile countries?
    Sleazy Donald can't release his taxes -- he would be totally humiliated and finished.
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    Aug 13, 2016 2:41 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidWhat is Trump hiding? Many people think he can't release his taxes because they would reveal that he's been lying about his wealth all along. And massive foreign loans, from hostile countries?
    Sleazy Donald can't release his taxes -- he would be totally humiliated and finished.

    The same could be said about Hillary and her emails, the relationship between the Foundation and State. What is she hiding? They would reveal massive corruption. In fact with the emails starting to trickle out thanks to Judicial Watch, they are starting to reveal that.

    Do you have the intellectual capability to understand similar questions could be asked from the other side?
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    Aug 13, 2016 3:48 AM GMT
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    bayguy saidThe Clinton financial picture is significantly interwoven with the Clinton Criminal Foundation. Not part of her tax return which is sanitized to avoid the illegal activities.

    Classic Pay-to-Play': Giuliani Blasts 'Corrupt' Clinton Foundation
    ...money being given to the foundation in exchange for favors from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's State Department could constitute racketeering.
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/10/rudy-giuliani-hillary-clinton-should-be-prosecuted-corrupt-clinton-foundation

    Trump reports his return is very complex. Is there anything illegal there? The Obama IRS has been looking at his returns carefully. If there is anything illegal they will certainly not hide it. Most likely what it contains is legal tax avoidance measures that someone who makes $30,000 can't take advantage of. Just as the media made a big deal of Romney having an elevator in his garage certainly the media/Clinton campaign would make huge issues of everything they could find. They would make a big deal about Trump being able to take advantage of laws which they will call loopholes that most ordinary people can't use. Is that any surprise?

    Aside from the obvious media bias consider the NY Times blog saying they have a duty to make things up and be unfair to support their cause:
    Trump Is Testing the Norms of Objectivity in Journalism
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/business/balance-fairness-and-a-proudly-provocative-presidential-candidate.html?_r=0

    So should Trump give them material that they would misuse? I say fuck em and don't release the returns and say Hillary has not released her complete returns until she discloses all related material associated with her involvement with their slush fund foundation. That includes "discarded" emails by the way.
    You damn well know that Hillary rotten Clinton will never release any tax returns pertaining to the money laundering syndicate known as the Clinton Foundation because that would open up massive cans of worms that could lead to her arrest and prosecution which would permanently scuttle her campaign for the White House.


    I don't get why you insist on wearing your ignorance like a badge but if you are interested in the tax filings of the Clinton Foundation they are publicly available.

    https://www.clintonfoundation.org/about/annual-financial-reports

    Financial analyst alleges major holes in Clinton Foundation records
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/financial-analyst-alleges-major-holes-in-clinton-foundation-records/article/2591335

    Furthermore, as I stated but probably a bit to subtile for some of you is that the entire financial picture should be open for public view including the interaction among the Clintons, the Foundation, the State Department and the foreign donors. That includes emails, some of which are starting to come to light thanks to Judicial Watch, etc. That is the big picture to make an assessment of her candidacy, not just her tax returns.


    No, you made a claim that was false and are trying to pivot. Good luck with that.
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    Aug 13, 2016 7:06 AM GMT
    Cliche_Guevara said
    bayguy said
    Cliche_Guevara said
    roadbikeRob said
    bayguy saidThe Clinton financial picture is significantly interwoven with the Clinton Criminal Foundation. Not part of her tax return which is sanitized to avoid the illegal activities.

    Classic Pay-to-Play': Giuliani Blasts 'Corrupt' Clinton Foundation
    ...money being given to the foundation in exchange for favors from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's State Department could constitute racketeering.
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/10/rudy-giuliani-hillary-clinton-should-be-prosecuted-corrupt-clinton-foundation

    Trump reports his return is very complex. Is there anything illegal there? The Obama IRS has been looking at his returns carefully. If there is anything illegal they will certainly not hide it. Most likely what it contains is legal tax avoidance measures that someone who makes $30,000 can't take advantage of. Just as the media made a big deal of Romney having an elevator in his garage certainly the media/Clinton campaign would make huge issues of everything they could find. They would make a big deal about Trump being able to take advantage of laws which they will call loopholes that most ordinary people can't use. Is that any surprise?

    Aside from the obvious media bias consider the NY Times blog saying they have a duty to make things up and be unfair to support their cause:
    Trump Is Testing the Norms of Objectivity in Journalism
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/business/balance-fairness-and-a-proudly-provocative-presidential-candidate.html?_r=0

    So should Trump give them material that they would misuse? I say fuck em and don't release the returns and say Hillary has not released her complete returns until she discloses all related material associated with her involvement with their slush fund foundation. That includes "discarded" emails by the way.
    You damn well know that Hillary rotten Clinton will never release any tax returns pertaining to the money laundering syndicate known as the Clinton Foundation because that would open up massive cans of worms that could lead to her arrest and prosecution which would permanently scuttle her campaign for the White House.


    I don't get why you insist on wearing your ignorance like a badge but if you are interested in the tax filings of the Clinton Foundation they are publicly available.

    https://www.clintonfoundation.org/about/annual-financial-reports

    Financial analyst alleges major holes in Clinton Foundation records
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/financial-analyst-alleges-major-holes-in-clinton-foundation-records/article/2591335

    Furthermore, as I stated but probably a bit to subtile for some of you is that the entire financial picture should be open for public view including the interaction among the Clintons, the Foundation, the State Department and the foreign donors. That includes emails, some of which are starting to come to light thanks to Judicial Watch, etc. That is the big picture to make an assessment of her candidacy, not just her tax returns.


    No, you made a claim that was false and are trying to pivot. Good luck with that.

    No pivot and no luck needed. You interpreted the OP much more narrowly than I intended. "The Clinton financial picture" was intended to be broad and the term "complete return" was also intended to mean complete financial picture, more than would be submitted on their personal IRS form.
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    Aug 13, 2016 7:35 AM GMT
    Derp-a-derpThe Obama IRS


    *twirls finger*
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    Art_Deco saidHillary Clinton derives no income from the not-for-profit Clinton Foundation. Therefore, it would not appear on her tax returns. Period.

    The US Right Wingers, nutjobs, wackos are going insane because Hillary voluntarily released her tax return, in keeping with Presidential candidate tradition, while The Donald continues to refuse to release his. For the false reason that Trump is under audit. Which prevents nothing.

    Warren Buffett, a billionaire worth a few times more than the ALLEGED wealth of The Donald, will release his own tax returns while under audit. Seems easy enough, no laws broken.

    Sad that we see some of that Right Wing craziness spilling over onto RJ. The more Trump stumbles & slips, the more hysterical & irrational his supporters here become.

    What they evidently fail to perceive is that their lunacy is only causing them to lose their case. RJ guys are by & large kinda smart, not a bunch of stereotypically dense jocks. That's the Right's first mistake in coming here.

    Their second mistake is coming to a gay site, and trying to sell us Republican Party snake oil. That's designed to return us to second-class citizen status, even make us illegal in some places.

    Sorry, many of these guys have been there, experienced that. Ain't gonna do it again. Go peddle your BS elsewhere. You chose the wrong audience.


    Coming from a dude who lived most of his life as a breeding hetrosexual, and reciving all of it's rewards; and looking down on "us" as being something dirty, and beneath you. You wouldn't know what it's like to live ones whole life as a second class citizen, as a Bona Fide Homosexual, as you are not one of us. You simply had a lifestyle change in old age. Where does it state that RJ is exclusively for you leftards?
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    Aug 13, 2016 9:35 AM GMT
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    No pivot and no luck needed. You interpreted the OP much more narrowly than I intended. "The Clinton financial picture" was intended to be broad and the term "complete return" was also intended to mean complete financial picture, more than would be submitted on their personal IRS form.


    Ex_Mil8 said
    Standby for more pedantic waffle from bayguy (his default position when he gets called out on his BS).


    See what I mean? icon_lol.gif
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    bayguy said
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    bayguy said
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    bayguy saidThe Clinton financial picture is significantly interwoven with the Clinton Criminal Foundation. Not part of her tax return which is sanitized to avoid the illegal activities.

    Classic Pay-to-Play': Giuliani Blasts 'Corrupt' Clinton Foundation
    ...money being given to the foundation in exchange for favors from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's State Department could constitute racketeering.
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/10/rudy-giuliani-hillary-clinton-should-be-prosecuted-corrupt-clinton-foundation

    Trump reports his return is very complex. Is there anything illegal there? The Obama IRS has been looking at his returns carefully. If there is anything illegal they will certainly not hide it. Most likely what it contains is legal tax avoidance measures that someone who makes $30,000 can't take advantage of. Just as the media made a big deal of Romney having an elevator in his garage certainly the media/Clinton campaign would make huge issues of everything they could find. They would make a big deal about Trump being able to take advantage of laws which they will call loopholes that most ordinary people can't use. Is that any surprise?

    Aside from the obvious media bias consider the NY Times blog saying they have a duty to make things up and be unfair to support their cause:
    Trump Is Testing the Norms of Objectivity in Journalism
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/business/balance-fairness-and-a-proudly-provocative-presidential-candidate.html?_r=0

    So should Trump give them material that they would misuse? I say fuck em and don't release the returns and say Hillary has not released her complete returns until she discloses all related material associated with her involvement with their slush fund foundation. That includes "discarded" emails by the way.
    You damn well know that Hillary rotten Clinton will never release any tax returns pertaining to the money laundering syndicate known as the Clinton Foundation because that would open up massive cans of worms that could lead to her arrest and prosecution which would permanently scuttle her campaign for the White House.


    I don't get why you insist on wearing your ignorance like a badge but if you are interested in the tax filings of the Clinton Foundation they are publicly available.

    https://www.clintonfoundation.org/about/annual-financial-reports

    Financial analyst alleges major holes in Clinton Foundation records
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/financial-analyst-alleges-major-holes-in-clinton-foundation-records/article/2591335

    Furthermore, as I stated but probably a bit to subtile for some of you is that the entire financial picture should be open for public view including the interaction among the Clintons, the Foundation, the State Department and the foreign donors. That includes emails, some of which are starting to come to light thanks to Judicial Watch, etc. That is the big picture to make an assessment of her candidacy, not just her tax returns.


    No, you made a claim that was false and are trying to pivot. Good luck with that.

    No pivot and no luck needed. You interpreted the OP much more narrowly than I intended. "The Clinton financial picture" was intended to be broad and the term "complete return" was also intended to mean complete financial picture, more than would be submitted on their personal IRS form.



    You said "Hillary Tax Returns Don't Cover Her Criminal Foundation Activities " This is actually a very specific accusation.

    1. It shows you don't really understand tax filings. The financials of 501c organization would not be included an individual's income tax return. A 501c is a specific tax designation by the IRS so a 501c would release it's financials as an organization. That you expected a 501c to be included in personal filings is just confounding.

    2. You are implying that the Clinton foundation doesn't release tax filings. This is demonstrably false. They do.

    Tap dance all you want. What you said was incorrect.
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    Aug 13, 2016 3:04 PM GMT
    If someone is genuinely interested in researching the Clinton Foundation--and not simply trying to create a controversy--all 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations, of which the Clinton Foundation is one, have very strict public disclosure obligations. For example, they, including the Clinton Foundation, are required to make their tax returns (Form 990) available for public inspection. See below:

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    501(c)(3) Organizations Must Meet Inspection and Disclosure Requirements

    501(c)(3) organizations enjoy significant benefits, such as receiving tax exempt contributions and not having to pay taxes on income. In return, Congress allows the public to inspect/copy documents (such as the Form 990 or 990-EZ) these organizations file with the IRS. These forms – which report gross receipts, expenses, etc. – are information returns and do not report paying taxes.
    In addition, the public can review an organization’s original application for recognition of tax-exempt status (Form 1023), any documents filed with the application, and any correspondence between the organization and the IRS regarding the application.
    The public can also inspect Forms 990-T, a tax return filed by organizations that receive unrelated business income of more than $1,000 annually. In addition to disclosing annual returns and applications for exemption, 501(c)(3) organizations must make certain disclosures to donors to whom something has been given in return for their contributions. This is called a quid pro quo contribution, which in Latin means “something for something.” For more information, go to www.irs.gov or see Publication 1771, Charitable Contributions – Substantiation and Disclosure Requirements.
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    Aug 13, 2016 3:14 PM GMT
    Cliche_Guevara said
    You said "Hillary Tax Returns Don't Cover Her Criminal Foundation Activities " This is actually a very specific accusation.

    1. It shows you don't really understand tax filings. The financials of 501c organization would not be included an individual's income tax return. A 501c is a specific tax designation by the IRS so a 501c would release it's financials as an organization. That you expected a 501c to be included in personal filings is just confounding.

    2. You are implying that the Clinton foundation doesn't release tax filings. This is demonstrably false. They do.

    Tap dance all you want. What you said was incorrect.

    Your interpretation is nonsensical and you stubbornly hold a specific, completely false position. I'm guessing you're some kind of accountant wanting to make use of your credentials to win an argument that is irrelevant to your credentials. I think it would be obvious to most people with some degree of common sense that the filings of an organization would be separate from someone's personal filing. So I will take one last time to paraphrase what I meant by the statement:

    Clinton submitted a tax return but that does not give any type of insight into all her financial dealings, much of which is very likely illegal. The point was to state just because she has submitted her return does not mean she has come clean. Not your silly interpretation of what I said that she should have put such things in her return.

    Your reaction is just like some in the media who say Trump is crazy because he said Obama and Hillary founded ISIS. They make the point that such a statement is false because there is no evidence that they set up an ISIS organization and went around with a clipboard signing up people.

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    Aug 13, 2016 3:17 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidHillary Clinton derives no income from the not-for-profit Clinton Foundation. Therefore, it would not appear on her tax returns. Period.

    The US Right Wingers, nutjobs, wackos are going insane because Hillary voluntarily released her tax return, in keeping with Presidential candidate tradition, while The Donald continues to refuse to release his. For the false reason that Trump is under audit. Which prevents nothing.

    Warren Buffett, a billionaire worth a few times more than the ALLEGED wealth of The Donald, will release his own tax returns while under audit. Seems easy enough, no laws broken.

    Sad that we see some of that Right Wing craziness spilling over onto RJ. The more Trump stumbles & slips, the more hysterical & irrational his supporters here become.

    What they evidently fail to perceive is that their lunacy is only causing them to lose their case. RJ guys are by & large kinda smart, not a bunch of stereotypically dense jocks. That's the Right's first mistake in coming here.

    Their second mistake is coming to a gay site, and trying to sell us Republican Party snake oil. That's designed to return us to second-class citizen status, even make us illegal in some places.

    Sorry, many of these guys have been there, experienced that. Ain't gonna do it again. Go peddle your BS elsewhere. You chose the wrong audience.





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    Aug 13, 2016 4:05 PM GMT
    bayguy said
    Cliche_Guevara said
    You said "Hillary Tax Returns Don't Cover Her Criminal Foundation Activities " This is actually a very specific accusation.

    1. It shows you don't really understand tax filings. The financials of 501c organization would not be included an individual's income tax return. A 501c is a specific tax designation by the IRS so a 501c would release it's financials as an organization. That you expected a 501c to be included in personal filings is just confounding.

    2. You are implying that the Clinton foundation doesn't release tax filings. This is demonstrably false. They do.

    Tap dance all you want. What you said was incorrect.

    Your interpretation is nonsensical and you stubbornly hold a specific, completely false position. I'm guessing you're some kind of accountant wanting to make use of your credentials to win an argument that is irrelevant to your credentials. I think it would be obvious to most people with some degree of common sense that the filings of an organization would be separate from someone's personal filing. So I will take one last time to paraphrase what I meant by the statement:

    Clinton submitted a tax return but that does not give any type of insight into all her financial dealings, much of which is very likely illegal. The point was to state just because she has submitted her return does not mean she has come clean. Not your silly interpretation of what I said that she should have put such things in her return.

    Your reaction is just like some in the media who say Trump is crazy because he said Obama and Hillary founded ISIS. They make the point that such a statement is false because there is no evidence that they set up an ISIS organization and went around with a clipboard signing up people.



    Spin away. There is clearly no honest discussion to be had here.
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    Aug 13, 2016 4:24 PM GMT
    dreamcock said
    bayguy said
    Art_Deco saidHillary Clinton derives no income from the not-for-profit Clinton Foundation. Therefore, it would not appear on her tax returns. Period.

    The US Right Wingers, nutjobs, wackos are going insane because Hillary voluntarily released her tax return, in keeping with Presidential candidate tradition, while The Donald continues to refuse to release his. For the false reason that Trump is under audit. Which prevents nothing.

    Warren Buffett, a billionaire worth a few times more than the ALLEGED wealth of The Donald, will release his own tax returns while under audit. Seems easy enough, no laws broken.

    Sad that we see some of that Right Wing craziness spilling over onto RJ. The more Trump stumbles & slips, the more hysterical & irrational his supporters here become.

    What they evidently fail to perceive is that their lunacy is only causing them to lose their case. RJ guys are by & large kinda smart, not a bunch of stereotypically dense jocks. That's the Right's first mistake in coming here.

    Their second mistake is coming to a gay site, and trying to sell us Republican Party snake oil. That's designed to return us to second-class citizen status, even make us illegal in some places.

    Sorry, many of these guys have been there, experienced that. Ain't gonna do it again. Go peddle your BS elsewhere. You chose the wrong audience.

    "Hillary Clinton derives no reported income from the not-for-profit Clinton Foundation." You don't think she has any control or there is nothing unreported? Do you know the percent of income that actually goes to charity? Do you know how much Chelsea made from the foundation last year?

    You in particular discredit yourself supporting someone widely known to be a liar. But in you own bubble that is ok. You also don't speak for all RJ members.
    don't waste your breath on the ignorant liberals they'd follow that lying corrupt old bag to the depths of Hell, and your right they all live in their own little liberal bubble!
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    Aug 13, 2016 4:46 PM GMT
    dreamcock said
    bayguy said
    Art_Deco saidHillary Clinton derives no income from the not-for-profit Clinton Foundation. Therefore, it would not appear on her tax returns. Period.

    The US Right Wingers, nutjobs, wackos are going insane because Hillary voluntarily released her tax return, in keeping with Presidential candidate tradition, while The Donald continues to refuse to release his. For the false reason that Trump is under audit. Which prevents nothing.

    Warren Buffett, a billionaire worth a few times more than the ALLEGED wealth of The Donald, will release his own tax returns while under audit. Seems easy enough, no laws broken.

    Sad that we see some of that Right Wing craziness spilling over onto RJ. The more Trump stumbles & slips, the more hysterical & irrational his supporters here become.

    What they evidently fail to perceive is that their lunacy is only causing them to lose their case. RJ guys are by & large kinda smart, not a bunch of stereotypically dense jocks. That's the Right's first mistake in coming here.

    Their second mistake is coming to a gay site, and trying to sell us Republican Party snake oil. That's designed to return us to second-class citizen status, even make us illegal in some places.

    Sorry, many of these guys have been there, experienced that. Ain't gonna do it again. Go peddle your BS elsewhere. You chose the wrong audience.

    "Hillary Clinton derives no reported income from the not-for-profit Clinton Foundation." You don't think she has any control or there is nothing unreported? Do you know the percent of income that actually goes to charity? Do you know how much Chelsea made from the foundation last year?

    You in particular discredit yourself supporting someone widely known to be a liar. But in you own bubble that is ok. You also don't speak for all RJ members.

    don't waste your breath on the ignorant liberals they'd follow that lying corrupt old bag to the depths of Hell, and your right they all live in their own little liberal bubble!

    Thank you for both proving one of the points in my post you quoted. And points other guys here have made about the hysterical & desperate craziness you guys are demonstrating.

    Plus wildly calling Hillary ridiculous names also fails to convince or make your political case. Dealing with you guys very much resembles trying to handle screaming little boys. Maybe when you've matured a little and have acquired a better education foundation on which to evaluate the present political situation you might have something of worth to contribute here. icon_razz.gif