Is there any need for (global) apostolic fellowship in our community?

  • nzfarmboy

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    Aug 16, 2016 10:03 AM GMT
    Are there any men (like myself) out there whom have been called to serve God - but happened to be born (openly) gay? After reaching out to many of those who classify themselves as 'gay and Christian' over the past couple of years, I am yet to find anyone who fealt, or have experienced, the same need to follow a life of total surrender to that calling. In my experience, those who usually respond positively to any discussion on the topic, only use it as a mechanism to 'meet' other men...without any real need to witness, or to share in Christian fellowship. Most men in my position end up joining either an orthodox Christian Church, or a more liberal movement which ends up being nothing more than a piano bar for cruising the young and vulnerable. Given the prevailing culture of hard bodies, shopping, and open relationships, is the search for true Christian fellowship akin to searching for the Holy Grail (no pun intended)? Or are there men out there who feel themselves called to serve God, but who have not found a 'home' or fellowship in which to realise that? I use the term Christian with great hesitation, given its many interpretations, shady history, and inherent rejection of homosexuals...but, are there anyone else out there who identifies with an apostolic call, and who just happen to be gay? Calling all apostles...!
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    Aug 17, 2016 3:23 PM GMT
    nzfarmboy saidAre there any men (like myself) out there whom have been called to serve God - but happened to be born (openly) gay? After reaching out to many of those who classify themselves as 'gay and Christian' over the past couple of years, I am yet to find anyone who fealt, or have experienced, the same need to follow a life of total surrender to that calling. In my experience, those who usually respond positively to any discussion on the topic, only use it as a mechanism to 'meet' other men...without any real need to witness, or to share in Christian fellowship. Most men in my position end up joining either an orthodox Christian Church, or a more liberal movement which ends up being nothing more than a piano bar for cruising the young and vulnerable. Given the prevailing culture of hard bodies, shopping, and open relationships, is the search for true Christian fellowship akin to searching for the Holy Grail (no pun intended)? Or are there men out there who feel themselves called to serve God, but who have not found a 'home' or fellowship in which to realise that? I use the term Christian with great hesitation, given its many interpretations, shady history, and inherent rejection of homosexuals...but, are there anyone else out there who identifies with an apostolic call, and who just happen to be gay? Calling all apostles...!


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  • Destinharbor

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    Aug 17, 2016 3:42 PM GMT
    I'm an atheist so no expert on the matter but it possibly makes me a bit more objective than someone caught up in what he perceives to be a calling. I was raised Episcopalian, dropped the church once I no longer believed in religion, picked it back up a bit to raise kids with an understanding of this big force in our society, and now just occasionally drop by for the beautiful pageantry and architecture. But I've always been honest in talking about my thoughts on religion even when involved with the church and found maybe more than half of the clergy to be honest in their struggles, dedicated to the study of Christianity, and more than a few to be gay. It is the one church sect I know that honestly divides the core of the religion from practices they choose to observe just for historical or aesthetic preferences. There are two divides in the Episcopal church, one backward and one progressive so you have to figure out which side you're dealing with but if you can identify the good side, and they generally divide themselves by church, not within a church, you probably can find what you describe you want. Check it out.
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    Aug 17, 2016 7:42 PM GMT
    Why a gay apostolic calling? If Jesus is your god, what difference does it make whether the fellowship is gay or straight?

    And I think Jesus sort of alludes to difficulties in mixing "worlds." Something about serving two masters. While not a perfect metaphor, Christianity's outreach is about promoting Christianity. To the effect that gayness helps their cause, Christianity has no problem with gays (a seat filler is a seat filler, after all). And to the effect that Christianity promotes gayness, I'm less convinced the benefit goes both ways.

    In the right church you'll be welcomed, and they'll put you to work (maybe recruiting more gays, right?). But I doubt they'll help you grow your gayness at the same time.
  • Dominican_Gen...

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    Aug 17, 2016 10:19 PM GMT
    How about skipping organized religion altogether and going one step beyond. I'm talking studying and joining a Christian esoteric group. Before your mind get's filled with preconceived images of tarot readings and whatnot, check out any of the Martinist Orders and the works of Jacob Boheme.

    They do study the Bible, they do pray to the Lord, but they don't have to tiptoe about a religious hierarchy. Best of all, your personal traits other than your desire to comulgue with God are left at the door. Gay/Straight, Republican/Democrat, Hot-bodied/Coach potato absolutely must be checked at the door.
  • nzfarmboy

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    Aug 18, 2016 11:17 AM GMT
    Dominican_Gent saidHow about skipping organized religion altogether and going one step beyond. I'm talking studying and joining a Christian esoteric group. Before your mind get's filled with preconceived images of tarot readings and whatnot, check out any of the Martinist Orders and the works of Jacob Boheme.

    They do study the Bible, they do pray to the Lord, but they don't have to tiptoe about a religious hierarchy. Best of all, your personal traits other than your desire to comulgue with God are left at the door. Gay/Straight, Republican/Democrat, Hot-bodied/Coach potato absolutely must be checked at the door.


    Thanks so much for that...I will check it out. Your posting response hit the nail on the head - I am primarily interested in people who feel themselves as falling outside the bounds of traditional 'organised religion'. Ironically, it raises the question: When does any group become 'organised'? I fear it won't be long before Christian Esoterics are also labelled as an organised religion, a sect, or a cult. But I get your point - and it is a good one.
  • nzfarmboy

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    Aug 18, 2016 10:02 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]StephenOABC said[/cite]
    nzfarmboy saidAre there any men (like myself) out there whom have been called to serve God - but happened to be born (openly) gay? After reaching out to many of those who classify themselves as 'gay and Christian' over the past couple of years, I am yet to find anyone who fealt, or have experienced, the same need to follow a life of total surrender to that calling. In my experience, those who usually respond positively to any discussion on the topic, only use it as a mechanism to 'meet' other men...without any real need to witness, or to share in Christian fellowship. Most men in my position end up joining either an orthodox Christian Church, or a more liberal movement which ends up being nothing more than a piano bar for cruising the young and vulnerable. Given the prevailing culture of hard bodies, shopping, and open relationships, is the search for true Christian fellowship akin to searching for the Holy Grail (no pun intended)? Or are there men out there who feel themselves called to serve God, but who have not found a 'home' or fellowship in which to realise that? I use the term Christian with great hesitation, given its many interpretations, shady history, and inherent rejection of homosexuals...but, are there anyone else out there who identifies with an apostolic call, and who just happen to be gay? Calling all apostles...!


    It is important to know who Jesus is before evangelizing Jesus and Christianity.

    I Love you man...you remind me so much of a friend of mine, Saul of Tarsus. And you're absolute correct. The best way to get to know Jesus is to have a personal relationship with Him - something modern Christianity won't teach you. For those who have ears, let them hear.
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    Aug 19, 2016 1:57 AM GMT
    nzfarmboy
    I Love you man
    you remind me so much of a friend of mine, Saul of Tarsus.

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