Federal Judge siding with Texas and blocks Obama's transgender students policy

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    Aug 23, 2016 8:28 AM GMT
    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20160822-federal-judge-siding-with-texas-blocks-obama-rules-on-bathrooms-for-transgender-students.ece

    The ruling applies to the whole country.

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    The preliminary injunction, which comes as school starts in Texas, applies all across the country. But other courts in the U.S. have tackled similar questions differently, and experts said the order doesn't prevent schools from having the policies encouraged by the federal government.
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    Aug 23, 2016 2:01 PM GMT
    Good news.
  • a303guy

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    Aug 23, 2016 2:31 PM GMT
    "One judge in a district court is simply a bump in the road," said Paul Castillo, a staff attorney for Lambda Legal, an LGBT rights group that filed a "friend of the court" brief in this case. "Any adverse decision on this is an outlier, based on other decisions that have been issued."

    Exactly. Always forward. As Texas goes, so does not go the rest of the nation. icon_smile.gif
  • Destinharbor

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    Aug 23, 2016 3:33 PM GMT
    The issue has become another dog whistle for the Right and those who don't care about anyone but their own. (Sorry if that's redundant.) While the issue seems kind of an odd one, there really is no other solution unless all bathrooms become unisex, possible at Target but not Yankee stadium, or most high schools. A true trans person would look more odd in a bathroom of their birth gender than their reassigned gender (I have no idea what the proper term is) and I don't deny some discomfort around trans people. But then I remember how recently straight people felt the same way about gay people and I can empathize with the trans. So the obligation is on me to respect their most difficult journey and be kind. That's what we do. Well, Republicans don't but they're assholes (and not in a good way). I don't know if Obama had the legal swag to make this declaration but I know for sure that the opposition to the order is mean-spirited and another case of Republicans being cruel for fun and power.
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    Aug 23, 2016 3:38 PM GMT
    likely the SCOTUS will have to make the bathroom decision for us.
  • dreamcock

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    Aug 23, 2016 4:52 PM GMT
    Use the bathroom that coincides with the plumbing you were born with, what's so hard about that?
  • Destinharbor

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    Aug 23, 2016 5:22 PM GMT
    dreamcock saidUse the bathroom that coincides with the plumbing you were born with, what's so hard about that?

    Use your brain. Don't just repeat stupid things you hear. So a guy has his dick chopped off, goes on hormone therapy, develops breasts, grows his hair long and wears women's clothing. And you think (well, obviously you don't ) that she should use the men's room. And just what threat do you think she poses to women?
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    Aug 23, 2016 6:08 PM GMT
    Conversely, that famous competing bodybuilder who was born female, and how is a big, muscular male. I'm sure *nothing* bad could happen if he went into the women's washroom (as people want) in an open carry state, right?

    In the end, this is one of those stupid laws you can't easily apply.

    If you look female, no matter what your "plumbing", no one will notice if you use the women's bathroom, because they will just assume you are female.

    If you look male, no matter what your "plumbing", no one will notice if you use the men's bathroom, because they too will just assume you are male.

    Conversely, if you are female and look masculine, or male and look feminine, this law will lead overly self-rightous people to think they force you out of the bathroom that the law is ordering you to use, so if you get caught afterwards in the wrong bathroom, is it your fault or theirs?

    This is still one of those arguments driven by a stupid, paranoid fear of things that have essentially never happened, and the generic fear of difference that some people excel at.

    *Every* single person who has claimed "its for the safety of our daughters" is using an argument that is full of logical holes you can pilot an air-craft carrier through.
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    Aug 23, 2016 7:07 PM GMT
    This issue will probably end up in the supreme court, if Obama appeals the grant of the preliminary injunction. One of the issues, is whether the "guidelines" issued by the administration's Office of Education, in interpreting Title IX, are to be considered final administrative actions (which can be appealed). The court found that, based on rulings of the Fifth Circuit (where the court sits) that the guidelines were final administrative actions. It is unlikely that the 5th Circuit will stay the injunction, since the decision is based on that circuit's own decisions. Without a stay, it could well take years for the court decision to reach the supreme court. (Since a request to stay the injunction would go to "Uncle Tom" Justice Clarence Thomas, (best known for his famous line, "Who put a pubic hair on my Coke?") it is highly unlikely he would grant a stay.
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    Aug 23, 2016 7:13 PM GMT
    dreamcock saidUse the bathroom that coincides with the plumbing you were born with, what's so hard about that?

    I agree and I don't support the trans bathroom policy.
    Anyone can be "trans"

    You would simply have to say "I'm trans" and enter the girls bathroom.
  • dreamcock

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    Aug 23, 2016 8:02 PM GMT
    Doctor9 saidConversely, that famous competing bodybuilder who was born female, and how is a big, muscular male. I'm sure *nothing* bad could happen if he went into the women's washroom (as people want) in an open carry state, right?

    In the end, this is one of those stupid laws you can't easily apply.

    If you look female, no matter what your "plumbing", no one will notice if you use the women's bathroom, because they will just assume you are female.

    If you look male, no matter what your "plumbing", no one will notice if you use the men's bathroom, because they too will just assume you are male.

    Conversely, if you are female and look masculine, or male and look feminine, this law will lead overly self-rightous people to think they force you out of the bathroom that the law is ordering you to use, so if you get caught afterwards in the wrong bathroom, is it your fault or theirs?

    This is still one of those arguments driven by a stupid, paranoid fear of things that have essentially never happened, and the generic fear of difference that some people excel at.

    *Every* single person who has claimed "its for the safety of our daughters" is using an argument that is full of logical holes you can pilot an air-craft carrier through.
    You don't have to look female to be a male and say I'm trans I need to use the women's bathroom and him not really being trans that's the problem I wouldn't feel safe with my young daughter being in there in that instance. Any pedophile or rapist could use that excuse for access.
  • Destinharbor

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    Aug 23, 2016 8:04 PM GMT
    dreamcock said
    Destinharbor said
    dreamcock saidUse the bathroom that coincides with the plumbing you were born with, what's so hard about that?

    Use your brain. Don't just repeat stupid things you hear. So a guy has his dick chopped off, goes on hormone therapy, develops breasts, grows his hair long and wears women's clothing. And you think (well, obviously you don't ) that she should use the men's room. And just what threat do you think she poses to women?
    personally I think a person with this condition is mentally confused so there's no telling what they may do!

    So your solution, based on your understanding, would be to have a separate but equal Trans bathroom since that logic would apply to either bathroom. Of course, some say gays are mentally confused. Should we have a Men's, Womens, Trans, and Gay bathroom.? Should we separate gay men and gay women or is there too few? I guess the same would apply to Trans. Lets see, did I leave out any minority? Oh yeah, Jews. Wait! An Immigrant bathroom because we all know (because we've been told) they're all rapists. I'm forgetting some minority. How about drinking fountains? Or hotels? Should we segregate there?
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    Aug 23, 2016 8:48 PM GMT
    Destinharbor said
    dreamcock said
    Destinharbor said
    dreamcock saidUse the bathroom that coincides with the plumbing you were born with, what's so hard about that?

    Use your brain. Don't just repeat stupid things you hear. So a guy has his dick chopped off, goes on hormone therapy, develops breasts, grows his hair long and wears women's clothing. And you think (well, obviously you don't ) that she should use the men's room. And just what threat do you think she poses to women?
    personally I think a person with this condition is mentally confused so there's no telling what they may do!

    So your solution, based on your understanding, would be to have a separate but equal Trans bathroom since that logic would apply to either bathroom. Of course, some say gays are mentally confused. Should we have a Men's, Womens, Trans, and Gay bathroom.? Should we separate gay men and gay women or is there too few? I guess the same would apply to Trans. Lets see, did I leave out any minority? Oh yeah, Jews. Wait! An Immigrant bathroom because we all know (because we've been told) they're all rapists. I'm forgetting some minority. How about drinking fountains? Or hotels? Should we segregate there?
    typical liberal!!
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    Aug 23, 2016 8:51 PM GMT
    dreamcock said
    Destinharbor said
    dreamcock said
    Destinharbor said
    dreamcock saidUse the bathroom that coincides with the plumbing you were born with, what's so hard about that?

    Use your brain. Don't just repeat stupid things you hear. So a guy has his dick chopped off, goes on hormone therapy, develops breasts, grows his hair long and wears women's clothing. And you think (well, obviously you don't ) that she should use the men's room. And just what threat do you think she poses to women?
    personally I think a person with this condition is mentally confused so there's no telling what they may do!

    So your solution, based on your understanding, would be to have a separate but equal Trans bathroom since that logic would apply to either bathroom. Of course, some say gays are mentally confused. Should we have a Men's, Womens, Trans, and Gay bathroom.? Should we separate gay men and gay women or is there too few? I guess the same would apply to Trans. Lets see, did I leave out any minority? Oh yeah, Jews. Wait! An Immigrant bathroom because we all know (because we've been told) they're all rapists. I'm forgetting some minority. How about drinking fountains? Or hotels? Should we segregate there?
    oh so let's just turn it to a race issue typical liberal tactic!

    Just following your logic. Because you're uncomfortable, an entire class of people should be told what they can do. Sound familiar? Ya, ain't them liberals awful? They don't like segregating a group of people and acting like they should have power to rule their lives. I'd say you're a segregationist.
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    Aug 23, 2016 9:36 PM GMT
    The pedophile posing as a trans person argument is bullshit. Stop feeding the idiots.

    Trans people have been using our bathrooms (to match their identity) ever since men could wear dresses (and ever since we've had gender-specific bathrooms). What's different now is that the far right (revving up their ignorant and bigoted sycophants) began to make this an issue. With laws. That help nobody. Because limited government or some shit they think they believe in.
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    Aug 23, 2016 10:05 PM GMT
    mx5guynj saidGood news.


    Right.

    Now a female to male transgender person who looks and sounds like a man will have to use the girls' / women's room and unnerve all the girls / women in it. That sure makes sense!
  • roadbikeRob

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    Aug 23, 2016 10:07 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidThe pedophile posing as a trans person argument is bullshit. Stop feeding the idiots.

    Trans people have been using our bathrooms (to match their identity) ever since men could wear dresses (and ever since we've had gender-specific bathrooms). What's different now is that the far right (revving up their ignorant and bigoted sycophants) began to make this an issue. With laws. That help nobody. Because limited government or some shit they think they believe in.
    Your pro transgender viewpoint is bullshit. If anyone has made this a major issue, it is all these gender bending radicals insisting on using the restroom that conforms to their fucked up personal preference rather than using the restroom that they are supposed to be using. So don't blame common sense, small government conservatives for this problem. This whole mess was started by the gender bending radicals who also need to be permanently booted out of our community as well.
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    Aug 23, 2016 10:28 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    mickeytopogigio saidThe pedophile posing as a trans person argument is bullshit. Stop feeding the idiots.

    Trans people have been using our bathrooms (to match their identity) ever since men could wear dresses (and ever since we've had gender-specific bathrooms). What's different now is that the far right (revving up their ignorant and bigoted sycophants) began to make this an issue. With laws. That help nobody. Because limited government or some shit they think they believe in.


    Your pro transgender viewpoint is bullshit. If anyone has made this a major issue, it is all these gender bending radicals insisting on using the restroom that conforms to their fucked up personal preference rather than using the restroom that they are supposed to be using. So don't blame common sense, small government conservatives for this problem. This whole mess was started by the gender bending radicals who also need to be permanently booted out of our community as well.


    So vehemently virulent. You REALLY feel such malevolence toward the transgender. THESE SENTIMENTS are EXACTLY how those who despise "gays" feel about YOU.

    You see those people as idiots, as utterly irrational bigots.

    Look in the mirror, this is exactly how YOU come across.
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    Aug 24, 2016 12:52 AM GMT
    "You don't have to look female to be a male and say I'm trans I need to use the women's bathroom and him not really being trans that's the problem I wouldn't feel safe with my young daughter being in there in that instance. Any pedophile or rapist could use that excuse for access. "

    With all due respect, any pedophile or rapist could/would go in irrespective of excuse. You *also* seem to have the poor, deluded mindset that only *men* commit sexual offenses against children. The whole "pedophile or rapist" argument is a straw man, because if said imaginary pedophile or rapist *really* wanted to commit rape or pedophilia in a bathroom - the one place you could have witnesses arrive in at any time, with nice echoing sound characteristics to carry someone's screams, they could have just disguised themselves as women to start with. Or maintenance staff. Or Security guards checking out a report.

    Risk assessment skills seem to go down every year in the population. People are more worried about the random stranger molesting their child, than the actual statistically more likely person - family member or close friend. Random strangers are *way* down the list, *BELOW* family/friends/teachers/coaches/priests/*cops*/group leaders (scouts, etc)....and finally random strangers. STatistically, your child is safer with a random stranger than almost anyone else! So remember that every time someone pushes to ban something because "it's for child safety", the stats say your child is less safe with its family than with a group of strangers, and someone with legislative power might notice that.....
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    Aug 24, 2016 1:13 AM GMT
    Doctor9 said"You don't have to look female to be a male and say I'm trans I need to use the women's bathroom and him not really being trans that's the problem I wouldn't feel safe with my young daughter being in there in that instance. Any pedophile or rapist could use that excuse for access. "

    With all due respect, any pedophile or rapist could/would go in irrespective of excuse. You *also* seem to have the poor, deluded mindset that only *men* commit sexual offenses against children. The whole "pedophile or rapist" argument is a straw man, because if said imaginary pedophile or rapist *really* wanted to commit rape or pedophilia in a bathroom - the one place you could have witnesses arrive in at any time, with nice echoing sound characteristics to carry someone's screams, they could have just disguised themselves as women to start with. Or maintenance staff. Or Security guards checking out a report.

    Risk assessment skills seem to go down every year in the population. People are more worried about the random stranger molesting their child, than the actual statistically more likely person - family member or close friend. Random strangers are *way* down the list, *BELOW* family/friends/teachers/coaches/priests/*cops*/group leaders (scouts, etc)....and finally random strangers. STatistically, your child is safer with a random stranger than almost anyone else! So remember that every time someone pushes to ban something because "it's for child safety", the stats say your child is less safe with its family than with a group of strangers, and someone with legislative power might notice that.....
    So youre saying that cant happen? It can happen-its dangerous enough for children already.
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    Aug 24, 2016 1:34 AM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidThe pedophile posing as a trans person argument is bullshit. Stop feeding the idiots.

    Trans people have been using our bathrooms (to match their identity) ever since men could wear dresses (and ever since we've had gender-specific bathrooms). What's different now is that the far right (revving up their ignorant and bigoted sycophants) began to make this an issue. With laws. That help nobody. Because limited government or some shit they think they believe in.



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    Aug 24, 2016 1:42 AM GMT
    funbud8 said
    mickeytopogigio saidThe pedophile posing as a trans person argument is bullshit. Stop feeding the idiots.

    Trans people have been using our bathrooms (to match their identity) ever since men could wear dresses (and ever since we've had gender-specific bathrooms). What's different now is that the far right (revving up their ignorant and bigoted sycophants) began to make this an issue. With laws. That help nobody. Because limited government or some shit they think they believe in.



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    Aug 24, 2016 2:29 AM GMT
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    dreamcock saidUse the bathroom that coincides with the plumbing you were born with, what's so hard about that?

    Use your brain. Don't just repeat stupid things you hear. So a guy has his dick chopped off, goes on hormone therapy, develops breasts, grows his hair long and wears women's clothing. And you think (well, obviously you don't ) that she should use the men's room. And just what threat do you think she poses to women?


    If someone does this, they have bigger problems than what bathroom they should be using.
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    Ekho said
    dreamcock saidUse the bathroom that coincides with the plumbing you were born with, what's so hard about that?

    I agree and I don't support the trans bathroom policy.
    Anyone can be "trans"

    You would simply have to say "I'm trans" and enter the girls bathroom.


    Exactly.

    Very bad news for Anthony Weiner and other "progressive" democrat weirdos.
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    Aug 24, 2016 3:37 AM GMT
    dreamcock saidUse the bathroom that coincides with the plumbing you were born with, what's so hard about that?


    What's so hard about using a bathroom that coincides with the plumbing you presently have? icon_rolleyes.gif That's more applicable.