The First Same-Sex Kiss in Cinema (1927)

  • metta

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    Aug 27, 2016 5:41 PM GMT
    The First Same-Sex Kiss in Cinema (1927)



    http://www.openculture.com/2012/01/brokeback_before_brokeback_the_first_same-sex_kiss_in_cinema_1927.html
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    Aug 27, 2016 5:48 PM GMT
    Ironic what with all the technology we've only succeeded in becoming more alienated.
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    Aug 27, 2016 6:29 PM GMT
    I've discussed this scene before here. One of the flyers is dying. A moment combined with the stress & emotions of combat. And in a different era, reflecting different cultural values. After all, did not the French soldiers kiss ceremonially at this same time, which was jarring to Americans, even then?

    But gay? I'm not sure. There are other emotions that a same-sex kiss implies, besides homosexuality. But I agree a surprising scene for US audiences back then. Perhaps less so for European.
  • bro4bro

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    Aug 27, 2016 8:30 PM GMT
    Worth noting that this film won the very first Oscar for Best Picture. Also worth noting that there is a scene briefly showing a man's bare ass, and another briefly showing star Clara Bow topless.

    I don't think the scene implies a homosexual relationship, and I don't think Metta suggested that it did. It does portray a very affectionate and even romantic relationship between two men. The kiss, the holding and caressing, bear no resemblance whatsoever to the French custom of kissing cheeks.

    But you also have to remember that in the silent movie era, emotions on screen were typically magnified to a cartoonish extent, in order to get the point across all the way to the jerk in the back row without the benefit of hearing a human voice. Dramatic scenes in silent movies all appear to be ridiculously overplayed by today's standards. Without the demonstrated intimacy between these two men, and only an occasional dialogue card to read, Jack might easily have come off to the audience as unfeeling and cold-hearted (it's important to note that in the story, they were rivals for the same girl - Dave's death scene was their reconciliation).

    I doubt this scene raised many eyebrows in the US or elsewhere, back in the day. People were accustomed to actors in movies behaving much more extravagantly than people did in real life. It would have been understood that this was done to convey an emotion. And homosexuality was so far from public view at the time that the average viewer wouldn't even have made the connection.
  • carew28

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    Aug 27, 2016 8:50 PM GMT
    The 1968 movie The Sergeant contained an actual gay kiss (Rod Steiger kissed John Phillip Law on screen). The plot involved an Army Master Sergeant and his closeted homosexual attraction to a Private under his command. The Sergeant soon thereafter committed suicide.
  • mcbrion

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    Aug 27, 2016 9:48 PM GMT
    metta saidThe First Same-Sex Kiss in Cinema (1927)



    http://www.openculture.com/2012/01/brokeback_before_brokeback_the_first_same-sex_kiss_in_cinema_1927.html


    This wasn't a gay kiss: it was a losing-a-comrade-in-arms who is also your best, best, BEST friend. A beautiful, moving scene though. It brings tears to the eyes.
  • mcbrion

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    Aug 27, 2016 9:49 PM GMT
    carew28 saidThe 1968 movie The Sergeant contained an actual gay kiss (Rod Steiger kissed John Phillip Law on screen). The plot involved an Army Master Sergeant and his closeted homosexual attraction to a Private under his command. The Sergeant soon thereafter committed suicide.


    Yes, I saw that when it came out in '68! Rod Steiger was so repressed throughout the movie, and at the climactic moment, when he kisses the extremely beautiful John Phillip Law (easily better looking than the best looking movie star of the time, Robert Redford) he is horrified and, at the time, the only way anything with gay men in it could end was by one or both killing themselves.
    Law also played, of course, the angel, Pygar, in Barbarella, as well as Robin Stone in Jaqueline Susann's 'The Love Machine.'
  • DannyLugo

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    Aug 28, 2016 12:37 AM GMT
    C'EST BELL!!! I can't add anything more for what I would have said has already been contributed by my fellow RJ members. U ARE ALL TRULY ENLIGHTEN!!! MERCI MON AMIGE & Clara Bow IS HOT AS F*CK!!!
  • bro4bro

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    Aug 28, 2016 4:45 AM GMT
    mcbrion said

    This wasn't a gay kiss: it was a losing-a-comrade-in-arms who is also your best, best, BEST friend. A beautiful, moving scene though. It brings tears to the eyes.


    Actually it goes even deeper than that. Jack is the one who shot his lifelong friend Dave, accidentally, in the heat of the dogfight. So, some very deep emotions going on.

    However - the scene also exposes how in this "modern" day and age, two men exchanging a kiss, under ANY circumstances, is automatically assumed to be sexual. Absolutely no filmmaker would film such a scene today unless he was intending to explicitly portray a gay relationship.