The Girl Left Behind

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    Aug 28, 2016 4:28 AM GMT
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    Preface: This may not be a gay issue, but lord knows ISIS has killed enough gays and other innocent lives to make it an issue for every human being with a conscious.

    ABC's 20/20 story about The Girl Left Behind was heartbreaking... I saw aspects of myself in Kayla and it literally broke my heart to tears. When she was younger and looked in the camera and said, "I want to remember everything happens for a reason". I still tell myself that to this day or at least I know I can learn from every experience that occurs. BUT to have her faith tested in that way is beyond my imagination.

    We ALL know ISIS is made up of a bunch of barbarians, BUT for an American (Jason Cone) to leave another American (Kayla Mueller) in the hands of ISIS--without even trying to save her is asinine.

    Yet the director of Doctors Without Borders didn't feel a "moral responsibility" to negotiate for Kayla Muller's life. Jason left her to be degraded, brutally raped, and murdered!

    I would rather have a bullet placed in my head--right then and there--instead of living in a slave camp, being brutally raped, and then finally murdered.

    Going all the way back to the Nuremberg Trials we all have a moral responsibility to the welfare of humanity. I don't know how people like him sleep at night.

    #JasonCone #KaylaMueller

    http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/doctors-borders-refused-negotiate-isis-hostage-kayla-mueller-41630622

    http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/kayla-mueller-part-video-changed-41679943
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    Aug 28, 2016 4:37 AM GMT
    if it upsets you so much maybe you should vote for Trump so he can actually get rid of ISIS.
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    Aug 28, 2016 4:41 AM GMT
    and maybe they didn't negotiate because they didn't want to get their fuckn heads chopped off by some crazy muzzies
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    Aug 28, 2016 10:37 AM GMT
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    Jason Cone negotiated to save the lives of his fellow coworkers. The hostages begged Jason to negotiate for Kayla's life as well, but he didn't.
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    Aug 28, 2016 3:23 PM GMT
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    Preface: AnOriginal

    First and foremost Kayla Mueller was an American humanitarian. We had an obligation to support her--the same way we support our USA troops.

    Both a retired FBI hostage negotiator (Chris Voss) and Harvard international law expert (Alan Dershowtiz) confirm Jason Cone (like many powerful men; who make all of their decisions in a boardroom) lacked a conscious in saving Kayla Mueller's life.

    MSF also withheld key information that could've saved her from being violently beaten and brutally raped.

    Doctors Without Conscience: Group Refused To Negotiate As ISIS Chief Raped And Killed Kayla Mueller

    Author: Saagar Enjeti

    Excerpts from the Daily Caller article:

    A freed ISIS hostage, who shared a cell with Mueller, described one instance to CNN in which her and Mueller, “were completely black from the beating. They beat us with everything: cables, belts and wooden sticks.”

    Chris Voss, a retired FBI hostage negotiator who secured U.S. citizen’s release from Iraq, told ABC News, “They could’ve said, ‘Yes, you work for us.’ And they could’ve extended her some sort of protection, some sort of legitimacy that would’ve cost them nothing. And why they leave her out there like that? It’s frightening. It scares me.” Voss elaborated “I think that’s totally abandoning someone that you had no reason to abandon. I mean, it sets that person up for incredibly negative, horrific consequences.”

    Alan Dershowtiz, a Harvard Constitutional Lawyer and international law expert, told the Daily Caller News Foundation in November 2015 he regards Doctors Without Borders as “Doctors Without Morals.”

    Sources: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3761033/Former-FBI-agent-says-ransom-paid-save-Kayla-Mueller.html

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/25/doctors-without-conscious-group-refused-to-negotiate-as-isis-chief-raped-and-killed-kayla-mueller/#ixzz4IdXo8get
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    Aug 28, 2016 3:30 PM GMT
    if not saving her was the cost of saving the rest of them / not endangering the rest of the other hostages from not being set free than surely you can understand why he did it and if he would have lied and said she works for us and they found out she didn't they coulda killed all of them

    further than that I believe the doctors without borders may not be expressing true emotions with regards to expressing their sorrow about losing her because they will prolly go back to that area and Isis could run into them again and say "oh you said such and such time to cut your head off Allah Akbar motherfucker 72 virgins inshallah" and kill them all
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    Aug 28, 2016 4:54 PM GMT
    ^

    I think you bring up good points. I also don't believe we should ever pay ransoms to terrorists. As Obama stated, that would not only help fuel ISIS, but it would open the door to more Americans being kidnapped.

    I still believe and stand by my conviction that Jason Cone had a moral obligation to save this girls life. Kayla's boyfriend, who worked for Doctors Without Borders, returned to try and negotiate her freedom. He even lied and said they were married to try and release her from ISIS. He has also stated that Jason Cone has been backtracking and making false statements about Doctors Without Borders' (DWB) policies during that time.

    My previous PCP worked for DWB. My doctor is an extremely caring man and professor; he is also happily married to his husband. I think they're a great organization, but the director of DWB truly lacks compassion.

    In my opinion, she was involved with DWB enough that they could've went with it (her working for DWB) to try and save her life and nobody would've known. She was riding with a DWB service technician in a DWB vehicle at the time of her capture.
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    Aug 28, 2016 5:45 PM GMT
    Who are ISIS?

    Where and how did they come about?

    Who funds and arms them?

    Are DWB the same organisation as Medicine San Frontier?
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    Aug 28, 2016 5:54 PM GMT
    transient saidWho are ISIS?

    Where and how did they come about?





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    Aug 28, 2016 5:55 PM GMT
    Can anyone confirm the age of this "girl"?

    She looks like a grown woman to me.

    Grown up enough to be on a single person crusade......she was not a part of DWB, she was there independently as an activist.

    Kindof silly place to be and a stupid possition to put yourself in without the support of any organisation.

    Also where is the proof she was raped and killed by the head of ISIS?

    I smell bullshit and propaganda here since there's so many unanswered questions.
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    Aug 28, 2016 6:21 PM GMT
    Also I would be interested to hear people's opinions on the hostages (prisoners of war who are held without charge or trial) held now and in the past by USA at Guantanamo.

    Or are hostages only hostages if they are American??
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    Aug 28, 2016 6:44 PM GMT
    Sorry for all the questions......I keep going through all this in my head and come up with more questions!

    Why would DWB be negotiating with ISIS regarding hostages?

    Is that not the job of Army negotiators or NATO?

    Why would the head of DWB be responsible for the negotiation of his employees and volunteers in a hostage situation?

    And therefore why the hell would he be responsible for the woman who is independent of his organisation?
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    Aug 29, 2016 1:51 PM GMT
    I am still intrigued by this story.

    A few things......

    Kayla was 26 years old. A fully grown woman.

    She was in Syria independently of any NGO or charity.....in fact she was visiting her Syrian boyfriend who was a contractor for DWB (not an employee, a contractor doing a 1 day communications contract).

    Syria is a no go area for westerners, this is obviously due to abduction threats.

    The Whitehouse was aware of the location of the group of hostages for the first 7 weeks of capture but chose to do nothing to assist in their release.

    Strangely Obama made a pledge 17 months ago to make a donation to a fund in Kayla's honour.......this donation was never made.


    It is claimed that Kayla was raped and murdered by ISIS by the western media but there has been no evidence of this. Syria and ISIS claim she was killed by Jordanian airstrikes, while other media sources say the airstrikes were from American arms.


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    Aug 29, 2016 4:10 PM GMT
    transient saidAlso I would be interested to hear people's opinions on the hostages (prisoners of war who are held without charge or trial) held now and in the past by USA at Guantanamo.

    Or are hostages only hostages if they are American??

    Strangely Obama made a pledge 17 months ago to make a donation to a fund in Kayla's honour.......this donation was never made.



    I see you've done your own research. A LOT of us were very unhappy with how the Bush administration handled prisoners of war at Guantanamo. Bush thought he was above The USA Constitution.

    That statement is facetious and unwarranted. Of course hostages are not just American. We take in many refugees. The USA is made up of many compassionate individuals, Kayla Mueller included. I don't know if Portugal played The Oprah Winfrey Show at her height, but her philanthropist efforts were undeniable and clearly demonstrates The American Dream (1). She literally wore potato sacks for clothing and is now a billionaire. What other countries would have a system in place to help facilitate Oprah's success?

    Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/rags-to-riches-story-of-oprah-winfrey-2015-5

    Going back to the Bush administration a lot of us were also unhappy with how he handled Katrina. My Republican friends get mad when I bring this up, BUT it's a direct quote from her mouth.

    Barbra Bush is the one who is quoted saying this in The New York Times about Hurricane Katrina victims:

    "And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway," she said, "so this is working very well for them."

    Source: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2005/09/07/us/nationalspecial/barbara-bush-calls-evacuees-better-off.html

    President Obama has responded and said he will give the belated donation to the Mueller family. I think a lot of things go into this kind of donation. Suppose the Mueller family tried to use the money to retrieve their daughter's body. The way that would play out in media is, "The President supports ISIS". There are still Americans who have the audacity to question Obama's birth certificate. He's not a perfect man, but he certainly is not the devil people make him out to be.

    The Obama family has donated ~$64,000 in 2015.

    Source: http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/26/obama-send-belated-donation-kayla-mueller-charity/

    I hope you are able to let go of some the stereotypes you have about Americans. The USA is extremely diverse, and that's the beauty of America. Every household is able to live their own life's philosophy--assuming it's not going to hurt others.

    (1) The American Dream is a national ethos of the United States, the set of ideals (Democracy, Rights, Liberty, Opportunity, and Equality) in which freedom includes the opportunity for prosperity and success...
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    Aug 29, 2016 4:37 PM GMT
    What is ISIS:

    My opinion:

    It's now become a corrupt ideology where people in pain, misery, or who are extremely unhappy use to justify killing others. An example would be American-born Omar Mateen who gunned down 49 human beings in the Orlando shooting at a Pulse's gay night club. Omar pledged allegiance to ISIS--regardless if he was in direct contact with them; I feel ISIS has become an extremely corrupt ideology that needs to be stopped.

    I am a Roman Catholic, but if someone came along like Mary I of England (Roman Catholic) who decided to execute or burn non-believers at the stake. I would hope that I would have the ability and strength to protest such corrupt behavior.

    Source:

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting/

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-omar-mateen-isis.html


    From CNN:

    ISIS makes no secret of its ultimate ambition: A global caliphate secured through a global war. To that end it speaks of "remaining and expanding" its existing hold over much of Iraq and Syria. It aims to replace existing, man-made borders, to overcome what it sees as the Shiite "crescent" that has emerged across the Middle East, to take its war -- Islam's war -- to Europe and America, and ultimately to lead Muslims toward an apocalyptic battle against the "disbelievers."

    Source: http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/middleeast/isis-syria-iraq-caliphate/
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    Aug 29, 2016 5:47 PM GMT
    transient saidWho are ISIS?
    Where and how did they come about?
    Who funds and arms them?

    -the local Hermès store does not stock the latest French Burqini design
    -you dont see any Muslims in the general population
    -terrorists are the homeless citizens with bad teeth

    Work for Doctors w/o Borders if you must but there is reasonable need for low end health care in the local hood.
    the Nuremberg Trial was 2 or 3 generations ago in the time of vacuum tubes and land lines

    ISIS, the middle east, Palestine and the "Girl Left Behind" all are a tiny insignificant black spot on a sun far far away
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    Aug 29, 2016 6:18 PM GMT
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    transient saidWho are ISIS?
    Where and how did they come about?
    Who funds and arms them?

    -the local Hermès store does not stock the latest French Burqini design
    -you dont see any Muslims in the general population
    -terrorists are the homeless citizens with bad teeth

    Work for Doctors w/o Borders if you must but there is reasonable need for low end health care in the local hood.
    the Nuremberg Trial was 2 or 3 generations ago in the time of vacuum tubes and land lines

    ISIS, the middle east, Palestine and the "Girl Left Behind" all are a tiny insignificant black spot on a sun far far away


    I doubt it would be a "tiny insignificant black spot on a sun far far away" if it was your own child. Maybe if she was a girl from the "hood" you'd care more?

    Furthermore, a lot of people are trying to make Jason Cone's decision far more complicated than it was... It was black and white--there was no grey area in morality here. He negotiated for other hostages, who were with Kayla Mueller, he should have done the same for her life.
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    Aug 29, 2016 7:17 PM GMT
    AnOriginal said
    pellaz said
    transient saidWho are ISIS?
    Where and how did they come about?
    Who funds and arms them?

    -the local Hermès store does not stock the latest French Burqini design
    -you dont see any Muslims in the general population
    -terrorists are the homeless citizens with bad teeth

    Work for Doctors w/o Borders if you must but there is reasonable need for low end health care in the local hood.
    the Nuremberg Trial was 2 or 3 generations ago in the time of vacuum tubes and land lines

    ISIS, the middle east, Palestine and the "Girl Left Behind" all are a tiny insignificant black spot on a sun far far away


    I doubt it would be a "tiny insignificant black spot on a sun far far away" if it was your own child. Maybe if she was a girl from the "hood" you'd care more?

    Furthermore, a lot of people are trying to make Jason Cone's decision far more complicated than it was... It was black and white--there was no grey area in morality here. He negotiated for other hostages, who were with Kayla Mueller, he should have done the same for her life.


    Furthermore, a lot of people are trying to make Jason Cone's decision far more complicated than it was... It was black and white--there was no grey area in morality here. He negotiated for other hostages, who were with Kayla Mueller, he should have done the same for her life.








    Having trouble highlighting the part above.


    You are polarising a grey area and presenting it as black and white.

    You are just repeating what was said in the ABC report.

    It took me five minuits research to realise it's not a black and white issue and I presented you with enough leads and info that you should also be reassessing your ideas on the subject.

    It's a choice to open your mind a little........or just repeat what you watched and heard.

    This proves to me the power of propaganda on a population that has been dumbed down to a level where critical independent thinking is not required.
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    Aug 29, 2016 8:10 PM GMT
    transient saidYou are polarizing a grey area and presenting it as black and white.
    You are just repeating what was said in the ABC report.
    It took me five minutes research to realize it's not a black and white issue and I presented you with enough leads and info that you should also be reassessing your ideas on the subject.
    It's a choice to open your mind a little........or just repeat what you watched and heard.
    This proves to me the power of propaganda on a population that has been dumbed down to a level where critical independent thinking is not required.

    People often believe that the job of the news media is to accurately inform us about what's going on. But they're a business that has to be profitable or they won't stay in business. So a story is inevitably simplified and jazzed up to make it interesting in order to grab more eyeballs, keep their subscribers, etc. And if you've ever been interviewed it's simply amazing how much they change things and leave out; if it's a technical issue you can be sure they don't understand all of it, but of course when they write their story they present it as if they do. Or if it's complicated they need to simplify it and they likely leave out important stuff, again thinking that they understand what's not important and what is. Or on a personal human level, if the person they're interviewing is difficult and abrasive they may present them unfavorably; this happened to a person I was interviewed with.

    When it's on television you can absolutely be sure that a lot of important stuff has been left out; there simply isn't enough time for them to adequately cover everything. In print they may have more space, but even there you can assume that at best only 25% of the information has been correctly given.
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    Sep 06, 2016 11:34 AM GMT
    I fully disagree with that quote by Albert Einstein. If you look at the militaristic brutality in so many lands done by many countries including USA and my own country India, a lot of them should be tried for crime against humanity but instead we usually respond with - "Thank you for your service". Our evolution is based on survival tactics, and in hardship the selfish gene will always take precedence. Mostly, soldiers are often destroyed by their own conscience in the end, say PTSD for instance.