Piñata Trump Jetting to Mexico for a taco bowl with Peña Nieto?

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    Aug 31, 2016 1:26 AM GMT
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-considers-last-minute-meeting-in-mexico-with-the-countrys-president/2016/08/30/5a694790-6f12-11e6-9705-23e51a2f424d_story.htmlDonald Trump is considering jetting to Mexico City on Wednesday for a meeting with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, just hours before he delivers a high-stakes speech in Arizona to clarify his views on immigration policy, according to people in the United States and Mexico familiar with the discussions...

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    ...The people informed of Trump’s plans spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity surrounding the matter. They said late Tuesday that talks between the Trump campaign and Mexican officials were ongoing, with Trump interested in going but logistics and security concerns still being sorted out...

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    Aug 31, 2016 3:12 PM GMT
    Trump took the bait. HRC didn't because she knew better. Watch what happens after that meeting. LMAO.
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    Aug 31, 2016 3:20 PM GMT
    DOMINUS saidTrump took the bait. HRC didn't because she knew better. Watch what happens after that meeting. LMAO.


    I agree that Trump could be walking into a trap. That being said, Trump is no dummy, and he knows how to charm and negotiate when he needs to. The "optics" of this meeting will help Trump. If Trump comes away from a cordial meeting, he will look presidential and it's the perfect set-up for his big immigration speech tonight here in Phoenix (and, YES, I will be attending). On the other hand, should the meeting not go well, or if it proves to be something orchestrated to make Trump look bad, Trump will know how turn those lemons into lemonade. My gut tells me it will be a positive meeting, and both Trump and the Mexican president will come away with a positive feeling about each other and the future of the relationship between the U.S. and Mexico should Trump be elected.
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    Aug 31, 2016 4:59 PM GMT
    It's just Donald Trump Opening His Mouth,

    WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?
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    There just is no words for this, the shock value of the republican party leaves me with nothing to say..........unless Trump is assassinated icon_eek.gif

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    Aug 31, 2016 5:54 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    DOMINUS saidTrump took the bait. HRC didn't because she knew better. Watch what happens after that meeting. LMAO.


    I agree that Trump could be walking into a trap. That being said, Trump is no dummy, and he knows how to charm and negotiate when he needs to. The "optics" of this meeting will help Trump. If Trump comes away from a cordial meeting, he will look presidential and it's the perfect set-up for his big immigration speech tonight here in Phoenix (and, YES, I will be attending). On the other hand, should the meeting not go well, or if it proves to be something orchestrated to make Trump look bad, Trump will know how turn those lemons into lemonade. My gut tells me it will be a positive meeting, and both Trump and the Mexican president will come away with a positive feeling about each other and the future of the relationship between the U.S. and Mexico should Trump be elected.


    Anyone who thinks this is going to turn out great for Trump doesn't know anything about Hispanic/Latin culture. Remember what Trump has said about Mexicans in the past. I'd suggest looking up the meaning of "venganza," to which many people of Hispanic/Latin ethnicity subscribe (although they may deny it). Just watch. Hispanic/Latin people are proud people--you fuck them up once, they'll fuck you up 10X--and they have a very LOOOONG memory.
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    Aug 31, 2016 7:20 PM GMT
    DOMINUS said
    Anyone who thinks this is going to turn out great for Trump doesn't know anything about Hispanic/Latin culture. Remember what Trump has said about Mexicans in the past. I'd suggest looking up the meaning of "venganza," to which many people of Hispanic/Latin ethnicity subscribe (although they may deny it). Just watch. Hispanic/Latin people are proud people--you fuck them up once, they'll fuck you up 10X--and they have a very LOOOONG memory.



    Anyone who thinks Trump can't turn this into a huge positive hasn't read "The Art of the Deal". Bottomline: Mexico has little to lose and much to gain by staying friendly with someone who is potentially the next POTUS.
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    Aug 31, 2016 7:38 PM GMT
    ^^Ahh, yeah, the "Art of the Deal"--the one ghostwritten by Tony Schwartz. You know, that guy that Trump was trying to intimidate and muzzle. Schwartz had these to say about Trump (just a few of many):

    o Schwartz says of Trump, “He lied strategically. He had a complete lack of conscience about it.” Since most people are “constrained by the truth,” Trump’s indifference to it “gave him a strange advantage.”
    o When challenged about the facts, Schwartz says, Trump would often double down, repeat himself, and grow belligerent.
    o Whenever “the thin veneer of Trump’s vanity is challenged,” Schwartz says, he overreacts—not an ideal quality in a head of state.
    o In his journal, Schwartz wrote, “Trump stands for many of the things I abhor: his willingness to run over people, the gaudy, tacky, gigantic obsessions, the absolute lack of interest in anything beyond power and money.”
    o He saw Trump as driven not by a pure love of dealmaking but by an insatiable hunger for “money, praise, and celebrity.” Often, after spending the day with Trump, and watching him pile one hugely expensive project atop the next, like a circus performer spinning plates, Schwartz would go home and tell his wife, “He’s a living black hole!”
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    Aug 31, 2016 8:58 PM GMT
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/30/politics/donald-trump-enrique-pea-nieto-mexico/Trump said Wednesday that he discussed the wall he wants to build along the southern border with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto -- but not which country would pay for it.

    Trump's call for a wall that Mexico would pay for has been a central theme on the campaign trail and one he frequently uses to fire up his supporters, so its omission from Wednesday's conversation was particularly noteworthy...

    ...to build a "physical barrier or wall"...

    ...The campaign's decision to travel to a foreign country -- one rife with security risks for a candidate who has stoked tensions with his rhetoric on Mexican immigrants -- without reporters following close behind marks an unprecedented moment in the coverage of major party presidential nominees.

    In addition, staff at the US Embassy in Mexico advised the Trump campaign against making such a hastily arranged trip, suggesting it would be logistically difficult to organize on such short notice, according to a source familiar with the discussions. ...

    ...Trump campaign officials said the goal of the visit was to cast Trump as presidential and to create a photo opportunity with him and the Mexican president...

    ...But it is far from certain that Trump will emerge with a positive photo op, given his deep unpopularity in Mexico and his host's own tumbling poll numbers.

    The Mexican president has compared Trump's "strident rhetoric" to Hitler and Mussolini's.

    "That's how Mussolini got in, that's how Hitler got in. They took advantage of a situation, a problem perhaps," the Mexican president said in March to a Mexican newspaper, according to Reuters.
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    Aug 31, 2016 9:02 PM GMT
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/why-mexican-president-enrique-pe-nieto-so-unpopular-n640611Why Is Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto So Unpopular?

    Peña Nieto took office in 2012 vowing a transparent government that would clean up the entrenched corruption, including the nation's infamous drug cartels. Instead, he has been dogged by controversies and personal scandals — not unlike the brash GOP nominee.

    ...Meeting with Trump, who nets just a 4 percent favorability rating among Mexicans following controversial remarks over the course of his presidential campaign, could put a larger political target on Peña Nieto.

    His approval ratings hit a record low this month.

    Approval ratings dropped for Peña Nieto to 23 percent, according to the newspaper Reforma — the lowest approval rating for a president since the paper began polling in 1995.
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/01/world/americas/trump-mexico-pena-nieto-reaction.html?_r=0Mexicans Accuse President of ‘Historic Error’ in Welcoming Donald Trump

    MEXICO CITY — If President Enrique Peña Nieto invited Donald J. Trump to visit Mexico for a dialogue in the interest of democracy, the message has fallen on deaf ears.

    Instead, the predominant feeling here in the Mexican capital is one of betrayal.

    “It’s a historic error,” said Enrique Krauze, a well-known historian. “You confront tyrants, you don’t appease them.”

    On Mexico’s most popular morning television show on Wednesday, a livid Mr. Krauze likened the president’s meeting with Mr. Trump to the decision by Neville Chamberlain, then the British prime minister, to sit down with Hitler in Munich in 1938.

    “It isn’t brave to meet in private with somebody who has insulted and denigrated” Mexicans, Mr. Krauze said. “It isn’t dignified to simply have a dialogue.”

    Yes, many Mexicans say, it was Mr. Trump who offended the people of Mexico with his disparaging comments about migrants and his promises to build a border wall paid for by Mexico.

    But for many Mexicans, the surprising invitation from Mr. Peña Nieto — who has likened Mr. Trump’s language to that of Hitler and Mussolini in the past — is even worse.

    Newspapers, television stations, social media and all manner of national communication were awash in vitriol at the idea of a meeting between the two men.

    The invitation has managed to do what has always been a herculean task in this fractious and economically divided nation: unite the masses.

    Protests were lined up for the day. Digital invitations designed like party fliers circulated on social media overnight, heralding the visit with a handwritten message: “Trump, you are not welcome!”
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    Aug 31, 2016 9:52 PM GMT
    Trump is backsliding because he knows he's losing. The Trump trash will not be pleased with the new "Diplomatic Donald". They didn't ditch 16 other major GOP candidates only to end up with more vanilla.
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    Sep 01, 2016 12:21 AM GMT
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/30/politics/donald-trump-enrique-pea-nieto-mexico/Mexican president disputes Trump over border wall payment discussion

    ..."At the start of the conversation with Donald Trump, I made it clear that Mexico will not pay for the wall," Peña Nieto tweeted, after their meeting Wednesday.

    ... "Who pays for the wall? We didn't discuss," Trump said when asked by a reporter during a news conference following their meeting in Mexico City.


    Great, so now they're both tweeting. Get a room!
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    Sep 01, 2016 12:53 AM GMT
    Donald was refreshingly honest when he told the Mexican people:

    "Lo siento.
    Soy un idiota con mierda para cerebros."
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    Sep 01, 2016 1:38 AM GMT
    TimTheThird saidDonald was refreshingly honest when he told the Mexican people:

    "Lo siento.
    Soy un idiota con mierda para cerebros."


    His Spanish is better than his English

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/18/trumps-grammar-in-speeches-just-below-6th-grade-level-study-finds/Trump’s grammar in speeches ‘just below 6th grade level,’ study finds


    Meanwhile

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/mexican-president-guns-and-cash-from-us-smuggled-into-mexico-every-year/2016/08/31/b83712a8-6fbc-11e6-993f-73c693a89820_video.htmlMexican president: Guns and cash from U.S. smuggled into Mexico every year

    ...the Mexican president would like the gun running to stop and towards those ends has asked Trump to pay for his own fucking wall.


    (I got the AP style right on that, yes?)
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    Sep 01, 2016 5:04 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidTrump is backsliding because he knows he's losing. The Trump trash will not be pleased with the new "Diplomatic Donald". They didn't ditch 16 other major GOP candidates only to end up with more vanilla.


    Trump sounded anything but "vanilla" in his immigration speech last night. His pre-speech trip to Mexico provided great "optics" to kick off the day. No question, Trump won the day.
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    Sep 01, 2016 5:27 PM GMT
    Anyone who thinks that Trump benefited from the Mexican photo op is living in alt-reality.

    Trump jetted to Mexico for a photo op. Total FAIL! He failed on at least five counts:

    First, he failed at his very first attempt to engage in some sort of diplomacy/public international affairs. Compare the critical difference between the Mexican President's and Mexican Foreign Secretary's very clear explanation of what transpired versus Trump's self-serving version. Trump reported that there was never a discussion of who would pay for the "physical" wall. That assertion was contradicted publicly by Pres. Pena Nieto. Pena Nieto clearly stated that Mexico will never pay for the wall (see http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/30/politics/donald-trump-enrique-pea-nieto-mexico/index.html). Grade: F.

    Second, the Donald failed to demonstrate the "negotiation" skills about which he's bragged endlesslessly in public discourse. Apparently, when he finds himself face-to-face with a legitimate leader whose name is not Putin, he simply folds like a child in Kindergarten sucking his thumb. There's no denying it--Trump is a big choker. Grade: F.

    Third, he was lectured by Pres. Pena Nieto on trade policies, immigration and international relations. In other words, Pres. Pena Nieto turned the tables on Trump, the self-proclaimed business mogul. What did Trump have to say to rebut Pena Nieto's assertions? Nada. Grade: F.

    Fourth, he allowed himself to be used by Pres. Pena Nieto who needed an event like this to turn his negatives around. In this regard, the Mexican president found a punching bag in Trump. Pena Nieto was able to use this "gift" from Trump to appear presidential as he defended Mexico and its people from Trump's previous attacks. So Pena Nieto looked like the hero defending Mexico against the bully. Grade: F.

    Fifth, Trump thought he could convince some in the Latino community to vote for him after this photo op. Instead, those who previously supported him are now publicly stating that Trump fooled them and misrepresented himself to them, particularly in light of the speech that the Donald delivered in Phoenix (see http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-hispanic-leaders-arizona-immigration-227615). So, the photo op actually had a negative outcome because it clearly showed the Donald's duplicity. Indeed, Trump has become the butt of jokes on social media. Grade: F.

    FINAL TRUMP UNIVERSITY GPA AND HONORS: GPA = 0, Summa Cum Failure, Magna Cum Nada, Choker of the Year.


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    Sep 01, 2016 6:14 PM GMT
    ^^good write up, well spoken. and that vid? Mexican food so good he built a wall around it? very funny.

    you may has five elephunts

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    Sep 01, 2016 9:23 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Trump sounded anything bit "vanilla" in his immigration speech last night. His pre-speech trip to Mexico provided great "optics" to kick off the day. No question, Trump won the day.


    Really? Who is the real Donald? - the mouse in Mexico City or the attack dog in Phoenix? Talk about mixed messages. His unique selling point is his big undiplomatic mouth. The average Trump supporter probably doesn't have the attention span to see or care what muddled signals he was sending out with those juxtaposed performances. The undecided voters he's trying to win over won't be so easily duped.
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    Sep 02, 2016 2:29 PM GMT
    DOMINUS saidAnyone who thinks that Trump benefited from the Mexican photo op is living in alt-reality.

    Trump won simply by being there. The optics were excellent. They had a cordial meeting. Maybe YOU are living in the alt-reality

    DOMINUS saidFirst, he failed at his very first attempt to engage in some sort of diplomacy/public international affairs. Compare the critical difference between the Mexican President's and Mexican Foreign Secretary's very clear explanation of what transpired versus Trump's self-serving version. Trump reported that there was never a discussion of who would pay for the "physical" wall. That assertion was contradicted publicly by Pres. Pena Nieto. Pena Nieto clearly stated that Mexico will never pay for the wall (see http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/30/politics/donald-trump-enrique-pea-nieto-mexico/index.html). Grade: F.

    This is YOU being naive and clueless as to how major negotiations even work. First off, Trump wasn't there to negotiate The Wall...or anything else for that matter He's not the President, so to even do such things would be premature. It was a casual short meeting. Basic principle in "The Art of the Deal" -- Open a dialogue. Mission Accomplished

    DOMINUS saidSecond, the Donald failed to demonstrate the "negotiation" skills about which he's bragged endlesslessly in public discourse. Apparently, when he finds himself face-to-face with a legitimate leader whose name is not Putin, he simply folds like a child in Kindergarten sucking his thumb. There's no denying it--Trump is a big choker. Grade: F.

    Read response above. You know ZERO about negotiations. Trump wasn't there to negotiate anything so no Grade warranted


    DOMINUS saidThird, he was lectured by Pres. Pena Nieto on trade policies, immigration and international relations. In other words, Pres. Pena Nieto turned the tables on Trump, the self-proclaimed business mogul. What did Trump have to say to rebut Pena Nieto's assertions? Nada. Grade: F.

    Now you're just making stuff up. No one lectured anybody. It was a very cordial and respectful meeting and press conference by both the Mexican president and Trump. If anyone dropped the ball it was President Nieto. He blew his chance to tell Trump publicly, not to mention assure the people of Mexico, that Mexico wasn't paying for the wall. He said no such thing.

    DOMINUS said Fourth, he allowed himself to be used by Pres. Pena Nieto who needed an event like this to turn his negatives around. In this regard, the Mexican president found a punching bag in Trump. Pena Nieto was able to use this "gift" from Trump to appear presidential as he defended Mexico and its people from Trump's previous attacks. So Pena Nieto looked like the hero defending Mexico against the bully. Grade: F.

    Clearly, you have not seen the many media reports of the harsh criticism Pena Nieto has received from the Mexican people for even meeting with Trump at all. Trump "a punching bag"? HA! You're delusional.

    DOMINUS said Fifth, Trump thought he could convince some in the Latino community to vote for him after this photo op. Instead, those who previously supported him are now publicly stating that Trump fooled them and misrepresented himself to them, particularly in light of the speech that the Donald delivered in Phoenix (see http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-hispanic-leaders-arizona-immigration-227615). So, the photo op actually had a negative outcome because it clearly showed the Donald's duplicity. Indeed, Trump has become the butt of jokes on social media. Grade: F.

    Your perception skills are pathetic...but nonetheless amusing. President Nieto did himself no favors by inviting Trump to Mexico, in fact he has received nothing but criticism since. It did nothing to move the needle for Nieto's own unpopularity in Mexico. On the other hand, Trump won the day on a variety of levels simply by going to Mexico and the optics this provided. Photos of Trump standing side by side at podiums shown all over the world portraying Trump as a diplomat is a bad thing? I think not. Regardless, anyone thinking Trump was going there to negotiate anything --- much less The Wall -- is an idiot. It was high risk for Trump to go at all, but he did it. Trump showed leadership

    As for the Latino leaders (exactly 2) who have dropped out of Trump's Latino outreach group, they did so because Trump did not tell them what they wanted to hear. They want Amnesty for illegals, and nothing less, and that simply isn't a gift Trump was ever going to deliver. They took their toys and went home.
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    Sep 02, 2016 2:53 PM GMT
    Curious,
    If you're getting paid less than Kellyanne Conway, Trump's campaign manager,
    YOU ARE GETTING CHEATED.

    It's comical to see how most of his own team, including Conway have stopped trying to explain away Duh Donald's CONTRADICTIONS.

    Did you hear his interview with Laura Ingraham on this topic of immigration and deportations?
    Even she had to call his BULLSHIT of trying to say two opposing policies at once.
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    Sep 02, 2016 3:07 PM GMT
    TimTheThird saidCurious,
    If you're getting paid less than Kellyanne Conway, Trump's campaign manager,
    YOU ARE GETTING CHEATED.

    It's comical to see how most of his own team, including Conway have stopped trying to explain away Duh Donald's CONTRADICTIONS.

    Did you hear his interview with Laura Ingraham on this topic of immigration and deportations?
    Even she had to call his BULLSHIT of trying to say two opposing policies at once.


    No, I did not hear the interview with Ingraham but I did hear snippets. Trump is not going to deport 11 million illegals. He will deport the criminals, he will secure the border, there will be a wall of sorts even if it's some kind of state-of-the-art electronic wall and not a physical wall, he will end Sanctuary Cities, and extreme vetting for immigrants coming into this country will happen. As for the illegals remaining here when the more pressing problems are solved, I have no doubt that a fair solution will be found to get them registered and with some sort of pathway to citizenship.

    Regarding Trump's "contradictions" --- immigration is a really tough problem, OBVIOUSLY, since the U.S. has been trying to solve this problem for decades. There are no easy answers, but Trump has the fundamentals to at least start solving the problem. Clearly, Trump is trying to walk that fine line between holding on to base, while still reaching out to Latino community. It's probably Mission Impossible, but he's giving it a try.
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    Sep 02, 2016 3:15 PM GMT
    Yup, if you can't win on substance and merit, obfuscate and engage in name-calling. Notice that TRUMPeteers' posts that purport to respond to other posts are full of groundless personal attacks as opposed to substantive arguments. Angry much?