Less religious America spells doom for GOP

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    Sep 03, 2016 11:51 PM GMT
    Wasn't this the opposite intent of the GOP NWO and their Christian right wing who created the ever lasting war with their arch enemy, Islam? Their plan seems to be imploding at record pace, they will eventually have to seek underground asylum



    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article99634597.html

    Western civilization has entered the long-predicted Secular Age, when the power of religion over society gradually recedes.

    Europe started the shift after World War II. Churchgoing diminished until only a fringe of Europeans attend worship today. The young especially ignore faith. The secularizing trend spread to Canada and other democracies.

    Now it’s occurring in America. People who tell pollsters their religion is “none” have increased to one-fourth of the U.S. population. They’re expected to continue rising because one-third of Americans under 30 have ceased worshiping.

    This trend has political significance, because those who don’t attend church are strongly liberal. The “none” segment may decide the presidency.

    “The Decline of Religion is the GOP’s Real Demographic Crisis” is the title of a research report by journalist Matthew Sheffield, who is writing a book on the trend.

    White evangelicals vote Republican as forcefully as “nones” vote Democratic. Both groups are now even – each comprising one-fifth to one-fourth of voters.

    But white evangelicals are shrinking, while the churchless grow relentlessly. The trend bodes a brighter future for liberal politics (although many “nones” don’t vote).

    It’s fascinating to watch the culture evolve. When I became a young reporter in Charleston, W.Va., the 1950s, Appalachian Bible Belt taboos were locked into law. It was a felony to be gay or for a desperate girl to end a pregnancy. Mixed-race marriage was against the law. It was a crime to sell a cocktail, lottery ticket or anything akin to a Playboy magazine. Schools had mandatory teacher-led prayer. It was a crime for an unwed couple to live together or even share a bedroom.



    Secular Societies Fare Better Than Religious Societies
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-secular-life/201410/secular-societies-fare-better-religious-societies

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    Sep 04, 2016 2:02 AM GMT
    America is still the world's largest christain country, that keeps religion alive in other countries. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
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    Sep 04, 2016 4:36 AM GMT
    ELNathB said
    Western civilization has entered the long-predicted Secular Age, when the power of religion over society gradually recedes.

    Europe started the shift after World War II. Churchgoing diminished until only a fringe of Europeans attend worship today. The young especially ignore faith. The secularizing trend spread to Canada and other democracies.

    I might suggest the European shift began somewhat earlier. With the French Revolution, in the late1780s.

    A problem with the French system was that all descendants of the aristocracy were also aristocracy with a title. And the numbers of the clergy had become bloated.

    So that estimates are that 1/3 of all the French were "aristocrats", 1/3 were clergy, and 1/3 were peasants. A small middle class was just beginning.

    The problem economically was that 1/3 of the country was tasked with supporting itself along with 2/3 of the rest. This became one of the major factors in the French Revolution.

    The English had a more sustainable system. Only first-born sons could inherit a title. The other offspring might have an honorary & temporary title, But they derived little from it, and couldn't pass it on to their own children. So that the titled English aristocracy was estimated to be at around 10% of the population.

    With the consequence that when the French Revolution came, aside from chopping off a good number of aristocratic heads, the nation was made more secular. And the power of the Catholic Church, along with its privileges, influence and incomes, were greatly decreased. That distinction remains to this day.
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    Sep 04, 2016 8:02 AM GMT
    Then it came to pass when France had Emperor Napoleon. Long live the Monach of the Commonwealth.
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    Sep 04, 2016 3:03 PM GMT
    NYT: “One of the most religious countries on earth,” Stephen Prothero says in his book “Religious Literacy,” referring to the U.S., “is also a nation of religious illiterates.”

    Only half of American Christians can name the four Gospels, only 41 percent are familiar with Job, and barely half of American Catholics understand Catholic teaching about the eucharist. Yet if Americans suspect that Joan of Arc was Noah’s wife, or wonder if the epistles were female apostles....

    Jesus was a radical who challenged the establishment, while Christianity has been so successful that in much of the world it is the establishment.

    “No wonder more and more of us who are Christians by birth, by choice, or both find ourselves shaking our heads and asking, ‘What happened to Christianity?’” McLaren writes. “We feel as if our founder has been kidnapped and held hostage by extremists. His captors parade him in front of cameras to say, under duress, things he obviously doesn’t believe. As their blank-faced puppet, he often comes across as anti-poor, anti-environment, anti-gay, anti-intellectual, anti-immigrant and anti-science. That’s not the Jesus we met in the Gospels!”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/04/opinion/sunday/what-religion-would-jesus-belong-to.html?
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    Sep 04, 2016 4:17 PM GMT
    That's an interesting op-ed, especially in a Bible Belt newspaper. The shift toward secularism in the US seems to be real, albeit painfully slow. The problem that remains is a pernicious sense of puritanism that runs very deep in the US collective subconscious. Even those who might not regularly attend worship services feel obligated to support politicians who portray themselves as upholding "traditional values" and who claim a superior morality than those who are more tolerant of change and diversity. This is particularly true among Baby Boomers and Gen-X'ers who tend to be much more reliable voters than the younger, more secular, Millennials. These same puritanical voters will often vote against their own interests or values out of a sense of obligation, or even guilt.
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    Sep 04, 2016 4:24 PM GMT
    Doom for the GOP is mostly coming from within and has nothing to do with religion. It was years in the making.

    There was no particular connection between the GOP and the evangelicals until Jerry Falwell came along.
    The DNC promotes the connection to the GOP with bat shit crazy policies. Evangelicals end up at the GOP because it is the only alternative.

    The real religion of the US now is big government.
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    Sep 04, 2016 5:15 PM GMT
    jeepguySD saidThat's an interesting op-ed, especially in a Bible Belt newspaper. The shift toward secularism in the US seems to be real, albeit painfully slow. The problem that remains is a pernicious sense of puritanism that runs very deep in the US collective subconscious. Even those who might not regularly attend worship services feel obligated to support politicians who portray themselves as upholding "traditional values" and who claim a superior morality than those who are more tolerant of change and diversity. This is particularly true among Baby Boomers and Gen-X'ers who tend to be much more reliable voters than the younger, more secular, Millennials.






    The internet changed how people perceive their own religion. I think I have said this before. Before internet, 'sheeple' blindly follow and do what they are told because those in power used and misused it to control others. Without Americas right wing, Israel would probably fall as far as support in that region. At least since the 1950's in modern America, war has been about and over religion.

    The internet giveth everyone with access, knowledge and search for the truth. We can find the truth for ourselves on line, we, as a human race, no longer need to listen to or seek guidance from the televangelist or those like them that was popular pre internet. It definitely is a generational shift. The older, silent and baby boom generations still rely on being told what to do, how to think and for a very long time, those in religious power took well advantage of this in order to shape American minds (thus brainwash)

    I was the first one in my immediate family to use a home PC with internet access 1995. I remember my mom, the silent generation, being afraid of my PC. She wouldn't touch it. She didn't want to learn how to use it and especially didn't want to 'know' what truths you could find on the WWW. She still relied upon whatever faith or person of faith told her. Its just remarkable how easily people can be influenced


    This particular scene from the, Poseidon Adventure. Gene Hackman plays Reverend Scott who pleads with others to escape and save themselves before the ballroom gets flooded and they all drown. Before they attempt their escape, there is a line in the movie that if they do try to go up and out the bottom, they may not survive, but if they stay and don't try, they might live or die, a 50/50 chance. If one can convince enough people to 'follow' the leader, there is great personal responsibility and power in that. We saw this also in Titanic. At a certain point, it became every man, women for themselves. This is especially true when any disaster strikes. First thing people do is turn to their belief, whatever that might be

    No one says the belief, that people have, will disappear. Religion as 'organized' will probably come to an end. There is a difference. icon_idea.gif





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    Sep 04, 2016 5:53 PM GMT
    desertmuscl saidDoom for the GOP is mostly coming from within and has nothing to do with religion. It was years in the making.

    There was no particular connection between the GOP and the evangelicals until Jerry Falwell came along.
    The DNC promotes the connection to the GOP with bat shit crazy policies. Evangelicals end up at the GOP because it is the only alternative.

    The real religion of the US now is big government.






    I think the rise of the modern American religious right wing started at least in the 1950's, got heavy in the 1970's (Anita Bryant and Jim Jones) in preparation for Christianity's NWO take over in the 1980's (RayGun-Bush). Which then lead to the longest running (religious) war in modern times, Christian v Islam. Of course we can also blame the power hungry Christians for bastardizing the interpretation of the first amendment and what the US founding fathers actually meant.

    "Freedom of Religion", not "Freedom of Christianity". The "puritans" were present, 1776, during the creation of the document to try to influence the founders. The founders said fuck you, crazy nuts but were lenient, gave them their freedom to practice their religion(s) anyway as long as one bat shit crazy religion didn't monopolize any other giving a clear distinction of separating their church from secular run government.

    I just think all this time, its just been a power struggle. Now we see the trifecta, religion, government, corporations. Now that religion is finally taking a back seat, who will come out on top next?. Its still a power struggle but at least one of the three has been eliminated, the new "war" is now between secular government and the corporation, for the most part, also secular, although, religion has influenced this group icon_idea.gif

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    Sep 05, 2016 6:41 PM GMT
    jeepguySD saidThat's an interesting op-ed, especially in a Bible Belt newspaper. The shift toward secularism in the US seems to be real, albeit painfully slow. The problem that remains is a pernicious sense of puritanism that runs very deep in the US collective subconscious. Even those who might not regularly attend worship services feel obligated to support politicians who portray themselves as upholding "traditional values" and who claim a superior morality than those who are more tolerant of change and diversity. This is particularly true among Baby Boomers and Gen-X'ers who tend to be much more reliable voters than the younger, more secular, Millennials. These same puritanical voters will often vote against their own interests or values out of a sense of obligation, or even guilt.


    There is indeed a streak of Puritanism which does run deep in the US collective subconscious, which asserts itself remarkably often in public life and discourse, especially if one looks for it as the related concept. Interestingly, it is not tied particularly to any left-right politics but can appear in the proposals of any side.
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    Sep 05, 2016 7:01 PM GMT
    How great is that? Centuries in coming...imagine the SPLOOGE!!!
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    Sep 05, 2016 7:10 PM GMT
    Was this something that was stated in Two Corinthians? icon_lol.gif