Not China nor Russia, Neither even England nor France. Only Our World Power Has Never Empowered a Strongman -- Now with the Thug Theory of Leadership

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 07, 2016 5:27 PM GMT
    It's bad enough having a Duterte, pipsqueak of the Philippines (because they missed Marcos?) hardly a world power, but having a Putin in Russia, not good.

    Regionally we see a Netanyahu in Israel which doesn't make me happy, and certainly North Korea is a lost cause.

    But when it comes to the United States, we're just too big for that shit. When have we ever allowed a strongman (who says he knows more than our generals) to take high office here? Never. Not Canada. Not Australia. Not New Zealand. Not us (remember, you can't spell the USA without us). Even France (Napoleon), hell, even England (Cromwell et al) can't make that claim. But that of theirs is not our heritage. We tell strongmen politicians to go fuck themselves. That's who we are.

    Of the 196 or so countries in the world today & with about 143 countries having at some point given power over to a strongman politician, the people of the United States of America have always remained stronger than any leader. By the people, of the people is our heritage. That we must never surrender.

    As I just posted to another thread: America in all of history has never by majority tolerated a strongman candidate for president. We are not weaklings, we don't accept that, we will never empower that as head of state because we never need that, we are stronger without that, we are better than that. Fuck Trump.

    [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strongman_(politics)[/url]A strongman is a political leader who rules by force and runs an authoritarian regime. The term is often used interchangeably with "dictator" in the western world, but differs from a "warlord" and commonly lacks the negative connotations especially in some Eastern European and Central Asian countries.

    A strongman is not necessarily always a formal head of state or head of government; sometimes journalists use the term to describe a military or political figure who exercises far more influence over the government than a local constitution allows. General Manuel Noriega, for example, was often dubbed the "Strongman of Panama" for the enormous amount of political power he exercised over Panama, despite the fact that he was not the formal president of the state.

    Similarly, not every discussion of "strong leadership"[1] (or every promise to provide such[2]) envisages rule by a strongman.

    cac28102365b832d8f3886fc1d101831.jpg
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 07, 2016 5:34 PM GMT
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strongman_(politics)

    Political figures referred to as "strongmen"[edit]
    Country.........Strongman Political Leader
    Afghanistan Mohammed Daoud Khan[3]
    Afghanistan Nur Muhammad Taraki[4]
    Afghanistan Hafizullah Amin[5]
    Afghanistan Babrak Karmal[6]
    Afghanistan Mohammad Najibullah[7]
    Afghanistan Mohammed Omar[8]
    Afghanistan Gulbuddin Hekmatyar[9]
    Afghanistan Hamid Karzai[10]
    Albania Enver Hoxha[11]
    Algeria Houari Boumediene[12]
    Algeria Chadli Bendjedid
    Algeria Abdelaziz Bouteflika[13]
    Angola José Eduardo dos Santos[14]
    Angola Jonas Malheiro Savimbi[15]
    Argentina Juan Perón[16]
    Argentina Jorge Rafael Videla[17]
    Argentina Leopoldo Galtieri[18]
    Armenia Garegin Nzhdeh[19]
    Armenia Vazgen Sargsyan[20]
    Austria Engelbert Dollfuss[21]
    Austria Kurt Schuschnigg[22]
    Azerbaijan Heydar Aliyev[23]
    Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev[24]
    Bangladesh Ziaur Rahman[25]
    Bangladesh Hussain Muhammad Ershad[26]
    Belarus Alexander Lukashenko[27]
    Benin Mathieu Kérékou[28]
    Bolivia Hugo Banzer[29]
    Bolivia Evo Morales[30]
    Brazil Getúlio Vargas[31]
    Brazil Humberto de Alencar Castelo Branco
    Brazil Artur da Costa e Silva
    Brazil Emílio Garrastazu Médici
    Brazil Ernesto Geisel
    Bulgaria Georgi Dimitrov[32]
    Bulgaria Todor Zhivkov[33]
    Burkina Faso Blaise Compaoré[34]
    Burma Ne Win[35]
    Burma Saw Maung[36]
    Burma Than Shwe[37]
    Burundi Michel Micombero[38]
    Burundi Jean-Baptiste Bagaza[39]
    Burundi Pierre Buyoya[40]
    Burundi Pierre Nkurunziza[41]
    Cambodia Lon Nol[42]
    Cambodia Pol Pot[43]
    Cambodia Hun Sen[44]
    Cameroon Ahmadou Ahidjo[45]
    Cameroon Paul Biya[46]
    Central African Republic Jean-Bedel Bokassa[47]
    Central African Republic Francois Bozize[48]
    Central African Republic Michel Djotodia[47]
    Chad Hissène Habré[49]
    Chad Idriss Deby[50]
    Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov[51]
    Chile Augusto Pinochet[52]
    People's Republic of China Mao Zedong[53]
    People's Republic of China Deng Xiaoping[53]
    People's Republic of China Xi Jinping[54]
    Republic of China Chiang Kai-shek[55]
    Republic of China Chiang Ching-kuo[56]
    Colombia Gustavo Rojas Pinilla[57]
    Republic of the Congo Denis Sassou-Nguesso[58]
    Democratic Republic of the Congo Laurent-Désiré Kabila[59]
    Croatia Ante Pavelić[60]
    Croatia Franjo Tudjman[61]
    Cuba Gerardo Machado[62]
    Cuba Fulgencio Batista[63]
    Cuba Fidel Castro[64]
    Cuba Raúl Castro[65]
    Czechoslovakia Klement Gottwald[66]
    Czechoslovakia Antonín Novotný[67]
    Czechoslovakia Gustáv Husák[68]
    Djibouti Hassan Gouled Aptidon[69]
    Djibouti Ismaïl Omar Guelleh[70]
    Dominican Republic Rafael Trujillo[71]
    Ecuador José María Velasco Ibarra[72]
    Ecuador Rafael Correa[73]
    Egypt Gamal Abdel Nasser[74]
    Egypt Anwar Sadat[75]
    Egypt Hosni Mubarak[76]
    Egypt Abdel Fattah el-Sisi[77]
    El Salvador Maximiliano Hernández Martínez[78]
    England Oliver Cromwell[79]
    Equatorial Guinea Francisco Macías Nguema[80]
    Equatorial Guinea Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo[81]
    Eritrea Isaias Afewerki[82]
    Estonia Konstantin Päts[83]
    Ethiopia Mengistu Haile Mariam[84]
    Ethiopia Meles Zenawi[85]
    Fiji Frank Bainimarama[86]
    Finland Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim[87]
    Finland Urho Kekkonen[88]
    France Napoleon[89]
    France Georges Clemenceau[90]
    France Philippe Pétain[91]
    France Charles de Gaulle[92]
    France Guy Mollet[93]
    Gabon Omar Bongo[94]
    Gambia Dawda Jawara[95]
    Gambia Yahya Jammeh[96]
    Georgia Eduard Shevardnadze[97]
    German Empire Otto von Bismarck[98]
    German Empire Erich Ludendorff[99]
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 07, 2016 5:36 PM GMT
    Nazi Germany Adolf Hitler[100]
    East Germany Walter Ulbricht[101]
    East Germany Erich Honecker[102]
    West Germany Konrad Adenauer[103]
    West Germany Helmut Kohl[104]
    Ghana Kwame Nkrumah[105]
    Ghana Jerry John Rawlings[106]
    Greece Ioannis Metaxas[107]
    Greece Georgios Papadopoulos[108]
    Guatemala Jorge Ubico[109]
    Guatemala Efraín Ríos Montt[110]
    Guinea Ahmed Sékou Touré[111]
    Guinea Lansana Conté[112]
    Guinea Moussa Dadis Camara[113]
    Guyana Forbes Burnham[114]
    Haiti Paul Magloire[115]
    Haiti Francois Duvalier[116]
    Haiti Jean-Claude Duvalier[117]
    Honduras Tiburcio Carías Andino[118]
    Hungary Miklós Horthy[119]
    Hungary Ferenc Szálasi[83]
    Hungary Mátyás Rákosi[120]
    Hungary János Kádár[121]
    Hungary Viktor Orbán[122]
    India Jawaharlal Nehru[123]
    India Indira Gandhi[124]
    India Narendra Modi[125]
    Indonesia Sukarno[126]
    Indonesia Suharto[127]
    Iran Mohammad Reza Pahlavi[128]
    Iran Ruhollah Khomeini[129]
    Iran Ali Khamenei
    Iraq Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr[130]
    Iraq Saddam Hussein[131]
    Israel David Ben-Gurion[132]
    Israel Yitzhak Rabin[133]
    Israel Ariel Sharon[134]
    Israel Benjamin Netanyahu[135]
    Italy Camillo Benso, Count of Cavour[136]
    Italy Francesco Crispi[137]
    Italy Vittorio Emanuele Orlando[138]
    Italy Benito Mussolini[139]
    Italy Alcide De Gasperi[140]
    Italy Silvio Berlusconi[141]
    Ivory Coast Félix Houphouët-Boigny[142]
    Ivory Coast Laurent Gbagbo[143]
    Japan Hideki Tojo[144]
    Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev[145]
    Kenya Jomo Kenyatta[146]
    Kenya Daniel Arap Moi[147]
    Kyrgyzstan Askar Akayev[148]
    Kyrgyzstan Kurmanbek Bakiyev[149]
    Laos Kaysone Phomvihane
    Latvia Kārlis Ulmanis[150]
    Lebanon Hassan Nasrallah[151]
    Liberia William Tubman[152]
    Liberia William R. Tolbert, Jr.
    Liberia Samuel Doe[153]
    Liberia Charles Taylor[154]
    Libya Muammar Gaddafi[155]
    Lithuania Antanas Smetona[83]
    Macedonia Nikola Gruevski[156]
    Madagascar Didier Ratsiraka[157]
    Malawi Hastings Banda[158]
    Malawi Bingu wa Mutharika[159]
    Malaysia Mahathir bin Mohamad[160]
    Maldives Maumoon Abdul Gayoom[161]
    Mali Moussa Traoré[162]
    Mauritania Maaouya Ould Sid'Ahmed Taya[163]
    Mauritania Ely Ould Mohamed Vall[164]
    Mauritania Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz[165]
    Mexico Antonio López de Santa Anna[166]
    Mexico Porfirio Díaz[167]
    Moldova Vladimir Voronin[168]
    Mongolia Khorloogiin Choibalsan[169]
    Mongolia Yumjaagiin Tsedenbal[citation needed]
    Montenegro Milo Đukanović[170]
    Nicaragua Anastasio Somoza García[171]
    Nicaragua Anastasio Somoza Debayle[172]
    Nicaragua Daniel Ortega[173]
    Niger Hamani Diori[174]
    Niger Seyni Kountché[175]
    Nigeria Yakubu Gowon[176]
    Nigeria Olusegun Obasanjo[177]
    Nigeria Ibrahim Babangida[178]
    Nigeria Sani Abacha[179]
    Nigeria Muhammadu Buhari[180]
    North Korea Kim Il-sung[181]
    North Korea Kim Jong-il[182]
    North Korea Kim Jong-un[183]
    North Vietnam Ho Chi Minh[184]
    North Vietnam Lê Duẩn[185]
    Ottoman Empire Ismail Enver Pasha[186]
    Pakistan Ayub Khan[187]
    Pakistan Yahya Khan[188]
    Pakistan Zulfikar Ali Bhutto[189]
    Pakistan Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq[190]
    Pakistan Pervez Musharraf[191]
    Palestine Yasser Arafat[192]
    Panama Omar Torrijos[193]
    Panama Manuel Noriega[194]
    Paraguay Alfredo Stroessner[195]
    Peru Juan Velasco Alvarado[196]
    Peru Alberto Fujimori[197]
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 07, 2016 5:36 PM GMT
    Philippines Emilio Aguinaldo[198]
    Philippines Ferdinand Marcos[199]
    Philippines Rodrigo Duterte[200][201]
    Poland Józef Piłsudski[202]
    Poland Bolesław Bierut[203]
    Poland Edward Gierek
    Poland Wojciech Jaruzelski[204]
    Poland Jarosław Kaczyński[205]
    Portugal António de Oliveira Salazar[206]
    Rhodesia Ian Smith[207]
    Romania Ion Antonescu[208]
    Romania Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej[209]
    Romania Nicolae Ceaușescu[210]
    Russia Vladimir Putin[211]
    Rwanda Juvénal Habyarimana[212]
    Rwanda Jean Kambanda[213]
    Rwanda Théoneste Bagosora[214]
    Rwanda Théodore Sindikubwabo[215]
    Rwanda Bernard Makuza[216]
    Rwanda Paul Kagame[217]
    Saudi Arabia Abdullah of Saudi Arabia[citation needed]
    Senegal Léopold Sédar Senghor[218]
    Senegal Abdou Diouf[citation needed]
    Serbia Slobodan Milošević[219]
    Serbia Aleksandar Vučić[220]
    Seychelles France-Albert René[221]
    Sierra Leone Siaka Stevens[222]
    Sierra Leone Foday Sankoh[223]
    Sierra Leone Johnny Paul Koroma[224]
    Singapore Lee Kuan Yew[225]
    Slovakia Jozef Tiso[83]
    Slovakia Vladimír Mečiar[226]
    Slovakia Robert Fico[227]
    Somalia Siad Barre[228]
    Somalia Mohamed Farrah Aidid[229]
    South Africa Hendrik Verwoerd[230]
    South Africa Balthazar Johannes Vorster[231]
    South Africa Pieter Willem Botha[232]
    South African Republic Paul Kruger[233]
    South Korea Syngman Rhee[234]
    South Korea Park Chung-Hee[235]
    South Korea Chun Doo-Hwan[236]
    South Vietnam Ngo Dinh Diem[237]
    South Vietnam Dương Văn Minh[238]
    South Vietnam Nguyen Khanh[239]
    South Vietnam Nguyễn Văn Thiệu[citation needed]
    Soviet Union Joseph Stalin[240]
    Soviet Union Nikita Khrushchev[241]
    Soviet Union Leonid Brezhnev[242]
    Spain Spain Miguel Primo de Rivera[243]
    Spain Francisco Franco[244]
    Sri Lanka Mahinda Rajapaksa[245]
    Sudan Gaafar Nimeiry[246]
    Sudan Omar al-Bashir[247]
    Sudan Hassan Al-Turabi[248]
    Suriname Dési Bouterse[249]
    Syria Salah Jadid[250]
    Syria Hafez al-Assad[251]
    Syria Bashar al-Assad[252]
    Tajikistan Emomali Rakhmon[253]
    Thailand Plaek Phibunsongkhram[254]
    Thailand Sarit Thanarat[255]
    Thailand Thanom Kittikachorn[256]
    Thailand Prem Tinsulanonda[257]
    Thailand Prayuth Chan-ocha[258]
    Togo Gnassingbé Eyadema[259]
    Turkey Mustafa Kemal Atatürk[260]
    Turkey İsmet İnönü[261]
    Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdoğan[262]
    Turkmenistan Saparmurat Niyazov[263]
    Turkmenistan Gurbanguly Berdymukhamedov[264]
    Tunisia Habib Bourguiba[citation needed]
    Tunisia Zine El Abidine Ben Ali[265]
    Uganda Idi Amin Dada[266]
    Uganda Milton Obote[267]
    Uganda Yoweri Museveni[268]
    Ukraine Leonid Kuchma[269]
    Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych[270]
    United Kingdom Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington[271]
    United Kingdom David Lloyd George[272]
    United Kingdom Winston Churchill[273]
    United Kingdom Harold McMillan[274]
    United Kingdom Margaret Thatcher[275]
    Uruguay Juan María Bordaberry[276]
    Uzbekistan Islam Karimov[277]
    Vietnam Phạm Văn Đồng[citation needed]
    Venezuela Antonio Guzmán Blanco[278]
    Venezuela Juan Vincente Gomez[278]
    Venezuela Marcos Pérez Jiménez[278]
    Venezuela Hugo Chávez[279]
    Venezuela Nicolás Maduro[278]
    Western Sahara Mohamed Abdelaziz[citation needed]
    Yemen Ali Abdullah Saleh[280]
    FR Yugoslavia Slobodan Milošević[281]
    SFR Yugoslavia Josip Broz Tito[282]
    Zaire Mobutu Sese Seko[283]
    Zambia Kenneth Kaunda[284]
    Zimbabwe Robert Mugabe[285]
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 08, 2016 2:29 AM GMT
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/strongmans-legacy-stirs-passions-in-the-philippines-1472856476Philippine Strongman Rodrigo Duterte Revives Memories of Ex-Dictator Marcos

    Before his ouster, late Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos killed, jailed and tortured over 100,000 people and plundered $10 billion in state funds, historians say.

    Now the current president, Rodrigo Duterte, wants to elevate Mr. Marcos’s legacy...

    ...The proposal, which the Supreme Court is considering after it was challenged, comes as Mr. Duterte prosecutes a so-called war on drugs that has killed more than 2,000 people in two months.

    In doing so, Mr. Duterte has fashioned himself a strongman leader in the mold of Mr. Marcos, heartening many Filipinos who adored him but alarming many others concerned with human rights and growing divisiveness in the country....

    ...Both...Marcos and Duterte hailed from outside the political elite...

    Both cited national emergencies as rationales for their plans. Mr. Marcos declared martial law in 1972, saying the country faced an existential threat from communist and Islamic insurgencies. Mr. Duterte decried another corroding force in launching his bloody offensive—drugs and crime.

    In the two months since Mr. Duterte took over, policemen have shot dead 929 drug suspects who were allegedly resisting arrest...

    “Duterte is steamrolling the rule of law” and sidestepping due process...
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Sep 10, 2016 11:10 PM GMT
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/09/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-and-the-thug-theory-of-leadership.htmlDonald Trump, Vladimir Putin and the Thug Theory of Leadership

    Trump’s praise of Putin reflects something more sinister than simple Obama-hate: Some people confuse strong leadership with a thuggish authoritarian impulse.

    ...Donald Trump also has a theory of leadership: Be more like Vladimir Putin.

    At NBC’s Commander-in-Chief Forum, The Donald offered up his latest love letter to Vlad, declaring that he’s “been a leader far more than our president [Obama] has been,” praising his “great control over his country”

    ...The unfavorable contrast between President Obama and Vladimir Putin has been a recurring riff on the far right in recent years. In 2014, Sarah Palin offered up one of her classic nut-burgers in praise of Putin: “People are looking at Putin as one who wrestles bears and drills for oil...

    ...Paleo-con Pat Buchanan was barely more coherent when he declared: “[Putin] is seeking to redefine the ‘Us vs. Them’ world conflict of the future as one in which conservatives, traditionalists, and nationalists of all continents and countries stand up against the cultural and ideological imperialism of what he sees as a decadent West.”

    It seems safe to assume that Donald Trump’s attraction to Putin isn’t ideological. Nothing he does is ideological as much as instinctive and opportunistic. It’s about something much more basic: Some people confuse strong leadership with tough-guy thuggery. There have always been people in this world who get weak-kneed at the first whiff of authoritarianism. They think that the bullying bluster of self-styled strongmen makes them great leaders. They mistake heat for light.

    The Founding Fathers warned about the danger of this “strongman” school of leadership since the earliest days of our democracy. Alexander Hamilton cautioned, “There are seasons in every country when noise and impudence pass current for worth; and in popular commotions especially, the clamors of interested and factious men are often mistaken for patriotism.”...