Guys being more modest in the locker room

  • sexy_dad_67

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    Sep 08, 2016 3:24 AM GMT
    I can't help but notice that many guys are going to great lengths to hide their junk when showering or changing in the locker room. When I was in high school and college, we just let everything hang out and enjoy each other's company without filters. It annoys me a great deal... not sure if this is the kind of gym environment I want to be in. icon_question.gif
  • whytehot

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    Sep 08, 2016 3:34 AM GMT
    Here we go again.

    Imagine a straight man complaining about lack of co-ed locker rooms. No pervy motivations there at all rolleyes.gif
  • sexy_dad_67

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    Sep 08, 2016 3:41 AM GMT
    Yes, but we've always had separate male and female change rooms. I just found out that the phenomenon is called the "towel dance". This is certainly something new to the younger guys only... the older men in my locker room all shower and change the same way we've always had, but not the younguns. Why are they such wimps?

  • Sep 08, 2016 3:46 AM GMT
    Obviously because they don't want creepy old men like you leering at them, duh. They show their junk to each other all the time, just not when you're around.
  • you_know_Its_...

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    Sep 08, 2016 3:53 AM GMT
    Gays weren't part of the public consciousness back in the "old days". You're not peer-pressuring any guy to expose himself to you just because you call them wimps icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 08, 2016 5:12 AM GMT
    To the OP; being appropriately divested of the other guy's issues is helpful.

    Take a shower, change your cloths and get on with your life... simple.
  • Eleven

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    Sep 08, 2016 5:52 AM GMT
    This is the kind of attitude older gentlemen have that I find to be a real turn off..

    When are you gonna realise that those men in the locker room are not sexual objects for you to gawk at??

    Have some respect, you are a stranger to them, they owe you nothing. Maybe if you were at the gym to work out rather then to get your rocks off you wouldnt have a problem.

    What a wanker
  • nice_chap

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    Sep 08, 2016 9:15 AM GMT
    Lots of men are only willing to strip off in front of someone else if it's an intimate partner, or a doctor or nurse for a medical examination (so they can get treated and go back to enjoying intimacy with their partners, or jerking off when they're alone). If a guy is not comfortable letting his junk flap about in a locker room full of complete strangers, then that's his own business.
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    Sep 08, 2016 1:05 PM GMT
    Eleven saidThis is the kind of attitude older gentlemen have that I find to be a real turn off..

    When are you gonna realise that those men in the locker room are not sexual objects for you to gawk at??

    Have some respect, you are a stranger to them, they owe you nothing. Maybe if you were at the gym to work out rather then to get your rocks off you wouldnt have a problem.

    What a wanker

    An observation and a comment about our changing US social norms does not automatically equate to "gawking". Don't make assumptions.

    During my 25 years in the US military I realized that looking at other naked guys made you suspected of being a "homo". At a time when I honestly believed I wasn't one. Although I might in fact have wanted to look, I couldn't look, and didn't.

    So I learned to put on mental blinders, and saw nothing. It was more the straight guys who were "gawking" to check each other out for size. I could go into a locker room, an open gang shower, a naked men's sauna or hot tub, and couldn't tell you how big any guys were, if they were circumcised or not, nothing.

    But I couldn't help but see some guys in recent years struggling to dress under a towel. Or wearing a swimsuit into a gang shower, when all the other guys were naked. That behavior kinda stands out.

    Genuine "old pervs" are surprisingly rare in locker rooms. Consider whether there's a bit of projection and imagination happening on your part. When I DID feel the urge for a little looking & playing when I was single & out I'd go to an upscale gay bathhouse. And Indulge myself. Not just allowed, it was expected. Then next time back at the straight Y locker room I'd return to blinders mode.

    Don't assume anything about older guys. Not about the OP, not about me, and not about other seniors. If you can't appreciate the sophistication (for want of a better word, or complexity perhaps) that comes with age & experience then I can't help you. We are not defined nor confined by the false expectations & faulty knowledge of relatively inexperienced younger men who haven't yet gotten as many years under their belts.
  • Destinharbor

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    Sep 08, 2016 2:42 PM GMT
    Older guys were raised by fathers who were young in the 30's, 40's, and 50's who not only were expected to NOT be shy in front of other men, they were required to not be shy. YMCA pools forbade the wearing of bathing suits. It was a sign of masculinity. Anything less was suspect. Young guys today were raised by women who taught them to be modest, as women have been taught for centuries. All this bullshit from guys like whytehot is nothing more than self-indulgent vanity and shallow thinking.
  • nicelyproport...

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    Sep 08, 2016 3:14 PM GMT
    Growing up as a fat kid, I hated my body. My worst nightmare was being selected for the skins team in gym class. It took me most of my life to develop a decent-looking body and to feel comfortable in my own skin. The problem with the towel dance is what it implies: that the body is so shameful that it needs to be kept hidden at all times. This is the exact opposite of how I want to feel when I'm at the gym.
  • nice_chap

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    Sep 08, 2016 3:52 PM GMT
    Personally I don't even use the locker room at my local gym because it smells awful. I have a shower and get changed at home.
    I'll whip it out in a gay sauna no problem, because that's my all-male environment where i go to be around other naked guys, but I use my gym purely for exercise.
    Their changing and showering facilities leave a lot to be desired.
  • Destinharbor

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    Sep 08, 2016 4:09 PM GMT
    I think he was just making an observation^^^. It is obvious. Older guys just change clothes and go on about their business. Young guys do the towel dance or go to silly lengths to avoid being seen. You can see the showers from the locker room in my main gym and I'm always amazed when I see some guy shower, a hand snakes out of the curtain with the other hand obviously making sure the curtain doesn't open, he grabs the towel, dries off (I guess, our showers are about two feet by two feet), and then still in the wet shower, reaches out and feels for his clothes which he also drags into a wet shower to put on. I'm glad I'm not so afraid of other men.
  • Destinharbor

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    Sep 08, 2016 4:14 PM GMT
    UMayNeverKnow said
    Destinharbor saidOlder guys were raised by fathers who were young in the 30's, 40's, and 50's who not only were expected to NOT be shy in front of other men, they were required to not be shy. YMCA pools forbade the wearing of bathing suits. It was a sign of masculinity. Anything less was suspect. Young guys today were raised by women who taught them to be modest, as women have been taught for centuries. All this bullshit from guys like whytehot is nothing more than self-indulgent vanity and shallow thinking.


    If young guys are being raised by women it's only because men have abdicated their responsibilities. Even though I came from an intact family my father left the child rearing to my mother. Luckily for me my mom was not a delicate flower of a woman. She ruled the roost and my two brothers and I knew she meant business. However, it would have been nice if dad had taken more of an interest in us.

    I'm sure that's true for many. Abdication by some but also just less time now, too. There used to be an expectation of a private life outside work in this country. Now employees are just production widgets, expected to work all the time. 40 hour work weeks were the norm and being home for dinner with the family was expected. My dad was a pretty big deal in a big company but he always sat down for dinner with us at 7. And was home until the next morning spending time with family, not working.
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    Sep 08, 2016 4:30 PM GMT
    Puzzling.

    Maybe this is a phenomenon of young "gays" rather than of young "guys". I go to a mostly straight (and mixed) gym, because it has a pool. Most of the men are late 20's and 30's, but a smaller fraction of 40's, 50's, and 60's as well. There is some towel dancing going on, but really almost none. As far as I can tell, the vast majority of guys are straight. And no one wears underwear or gym clothes into the shower (as I have heard goes on in some school locker rooms).
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    Sep 08, 2016 4:32 PM GMT
    UMayNeverKnow said
    That's all well and good Art, but when the OP starts his thread with: "I can't help but notice that many guys are going to great lengths to hide their junk when showering or changing in the locker room," he makes it sound like he's there to gawk. He needs to mind his own business, take his shower, change his clothes, and go about his business. He's obviously far to concerned about what others do. So what if they towel dance? Who are the towel dancers hurting? He makes it sound as though he's only upset because he can't gawk at young guys' junk.

    A fair & reasonable reply. At the same time, I felt your reply and especially Eleven's (whom I was principally answering) did portray older men as pervs. I hear this too much on this site. I make it akin to saying all gays are child molesters.

    Well, I'm not a gay child molester and I'm not an old perv, either. As I neither presume you to be a gay molester. Nor do I perceive the OP as being a perv for having eyes and observational skills.
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    Sep 08, 2016 4:47 PM GMT
    Culture has shifted. The "norm" probably only refers to the N. American culture. It was the norm to be in the nude with other people of the same gender back in the days, but it is the norm now to be modest and cover up, because younger guys are taught and brought up that way. Older generation thinks the younger guys are too chicken, while the younger guys thinks the older are pervy.

    In Europe complete nudity in showers and changerooms, is expected. Some saunas and pools have strict nude policies. It is also common for family members/friends of opposite sex go to saunas naked together.

    Baths are common in Asian countries like Japan and Korea, and people of the same gender of all ages, from older folks to teens to kids to infants, strangers or not, all share a tub in the nude.

    Both of these are the "norm" in their respective cultures but neither are socially acceptable in N. America.

    My point is there is no use in arguing which is better. Just let it be. Do whatever you are comfortable you are to yourself, whether it is to cover up or to let it out.
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    Sep 08, 2016 5:51 PM GMT
    They prob just don't want to end up on some pervy/thirsty fag's Tumblr.
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    Sep 08, 2016 5:55 PM GMT
    The US is now socially more Liberal. It's Heterosexual Liberals who are the prudes when it comes to nudity and this embarrassment about nudity has spread to younger gay men. With attendance at Gay Dance Clubs declining due to use of social apps like Grindr, many gay men don't have a social venue to even be shirtless.

    It was Republican Conservative Richard Nixon who allowed nudity at Sandy Hook Gunnison Beach in NJ whereas Obama has stopped nudity at Fire Island. At Gunnison Nude Beach, the vast majority of under 45yo NYC Gay Men who come over on the Ferry wear swimsuits and won't go nude. The vast majority of Nude Heterosexual attendees at Gunnison Nude Beach are Republicans and Ex-Military.

    Many Middle and High Schools which originally had open shower rooms now have shower stalls. Most High School and Middle School Boys Basketball Gym classes no longer allow playing "Shirts" and "Skins" so that no boy is embarrassed. The first time many guys now see a penis (besides their own) is when they have a son.

    Virtually no YMCA's have nude male swimming.

    Is you're not in architectural design, you may not be aware that the standard size for restroom urinal partitions is now much larger than even 5 years ago so that no one can see who is a tranny. LA Fitness is currently retrofitting all their Mens Lockerrooms with larger partitions. They switched from translucent shower curtains (which curtailed Homosexual Activity and Masturbation) to white shower curtains.

    It's Liberal PC run amok.

    For some years now, a majority of US Male Babies are also now uncircumcised leading to more embarrassment about exposing their genitals.

    Most cut men aren't aware that many US uncut men have an additional level of embarrassment about nudity since the head of their penis isn't exposed until they are erect or the foreskin hangs lower over the head when their penis is cold and retracted.

    Younger Doctors are no longer taught to perform a genital exam as part of a standard general physical. Many female doctors are reluctant to perform a male genital exam. You don't get an exam unless you complain of a problem and then you are sent to a urologist. The incidence rate of testicular cancer has been increasing in the United States and many other countries for several decades.
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    Sep 08, 2016 7:30 PM GMT
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  • bro4bro

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    Sep 08, 2016 8:42 PM GMT
    I have no problem with being naked in a locker room. And in all of the other 800 threads on this topic, I've been on the side of the guys who say the youngsters are way too concerned about "pervs" getting a look at their dicks. But when some one says something like this:

    sexy_dad_67 saidIt annoys me a great deal... not sure if this is the kind of gym environment I want to be in.


    It makes me think the kids know what they're talking about.
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    Sep 08, 2016 8:59 PM GMT
    Way back when, we boys swam naked and everyone showered naked. The Y, high schools and swimming pools were segregated by sex. It was normal. You got teased if you were modest or didn't get naked. (I'm still traumatized from seeing my 10 year older brother naked.) When commercial "health clubs" opened the one I went to had men's days MWF. Ladies went on the other days or hours. One locker room with gang showers. Floppy-cock-fest. Like everything, gyms have changed over time. Most of the young guys at my gym walk in dressed to workout. They don't even go to the locker room. If I go early in the morning, the guys are older and shower because they are heading to work. My guess is younger men have been warned to keep their "swimsuit areas" private. The locker room really never was meant to be a place for sexual stimulation, though of course it happened.
  • Destinharbor

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    Sep 08, 2016 9:08 PM GMT
    Maybe the kids have it right. I read an article a couple of days ago, Men's Health Magazine, I believe, that testified that it is a proven fact that when you workout strenuously, the muscles being worked consume as much as ten times the blood flow, thus robbing the other areas of the body. Shrunken dick syndrome. Maybe that's why body builders are believed to have shrunken dicks, not the steroids. lol.
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    Sep 08, 2016 9:20 PM GMT
    No offense, but why would you allow yourself to be "annoyed a great deal" by someone else not wanting others to see his privates? The fact that you would be bothered by this makes me think these guys have reason to cover up. Because they don't want people "enjoying their company without filters" as you put it. You've got mutually consenting opportunities through porn, nude beaches, bath houses, gay events and actual hookups to see penis from willing adults. Every guy, straight or gay, sneaks a peek out of curiosity and comparison. But most normal guys don't find themselves "annoyed a great deal" if others cover up.... Seems kind of creepish.
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    Sep 08, 2016 9:22 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidMaybe the kids have it right. I read an article a couple of days ago, Men's Health Magazine, I believe, that testified that it is a proven fact that when you workout strenuously, the muscles being worked consume as much as ten times the blood flow, thus robbing the other areas of the body. Shrunken dick syndrome. Maybe that's why body builders are believed to have shrunken dicks, not the steroids. lol.


    It's called "gym cock". Steroids actually make your dick bigger and your balls smaller.