Conviction Dropped Against Ex-Roommate of Rutgers Student Tyler Clementi, Who Killed Himself. Retrial will happen on 10 counts unrelated to his death.

  • metta

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    Sep 09, 2016 9:44 PM GMT
    Conviction Dropped Against Ex-Roommate of Rutgers Student Tyler Clementi, Who Killed Himself

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/convictions-dropped-tyler-clementis-rutgers-roommate/story?id=41978887
  • shutoman

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    Sep 10, 2016 12:26 AM GMT
    I'm having difficulty with some of the reasoning in this case.

    Whether Ravi was sincerely homophobic or not is beside the point.

    The point is whether secretly filming your room-mate having sex and then broadcasting/chatting online to your friends about it behind his back is bullying.

    Yes, it is.
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    Sep 10, 2016 4:59 AM GMT
    What a shame, I was looking forward to Ravi becoming a prison bitch.
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    Sep 10, 2016 8:26 AM GMT
    This is horrible. I hope he has some conscience because nothing destroys the self better.
  • Destinharbor

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    Sep 10, 2016 3:39 PM GMT
    mx5guynj saidWhat a shame, I was looking forward to Ravi becoming a prison bitch.

    Barbaric to lock someone up and enjoy torture and rape. Why do you Repukes find this funny? It reflects your fucked up attitudes towards sex jn most ways.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 10, 2016 4:02 PM GMT
    I have mixed feeling about this. While what Ravi did was obviously deplorable and it ended in tragedy, I see no good that can come from 2 young lives ruined. I have no doubt that Ravi has learned a very harsh lesson, and he will have to live with the guilt of what his actions led to for the rest of his life.
  • metta

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    Sep 10, 2016 6:26 PM GMT
    His original sentence was "30 days in jail and three years of probation". I would not call that excessive.
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    Sep 10, 2016 6:44 PM GMT
    I don't often disagree with CuriousJock but in this case the guy is lucky I wasn't the judge or prosecutor. A young guy is dead. I would have come down on the spy with a heavy hammer to send a message to other creeps who would be inclined to do the same thing.

    I have no sympathy for him at all and 30 days in jail was an insult to the victim and his family.
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    Sep 10, 2016 6:45 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI have mixed feeling about this. While what Ravi did was obviously deplorable and it ended in tragedy, I see no good that can come from 2 young lives ruined. I have no doubt that Ravi has learned a very harsh lesson, and he will have to live with the guilt of what his actions led to for the rest of his life.


    You are right. In many ways, his life is forever scarred, life prospects hit dirt. Hopefully, his guilt would steer him into a more enlightened path in life.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 11, 2016 2:39 PM GMT
    YVRguy said
    I have no sympathy for him at all and 30 days in jail was an insult to the victim and his family.


    I understand the outrage and I agree, to a point, that he deserved more than 30 days in jail. That being said, it is easy to see in this day and age of technology and social media how a young person could do something like this (mean-spirited as it may be) and not fully understand the repercussions that could have come from it. Surely, no one ever thought that Tyler Clementi would become so distraught that he would take his own life. The whole thing is a horrible tragedy.
  • Destinharbor

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    Sep 11, 2016 4:12 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    YVRguy said
    I have no sympathy for him at all and 30 days in jail was an insult to the victim and his family.


    I understand the outrage and I agree, to a point, that he deserved more than 30 days in jail. That being said, it is easy to see in this day and age of technology and social media how a young person could do something like this (mean-spirited as it may be) and not fully understand the repercussions that could have come from it. Surely, no one ever thought that Tyler Clementi would become so distraught that he would take his own life. The whole thing is a horrible tragedy.

    I agree. This can be a bloodthirsty culture. People jump to revenge in a blink. People do make mistakes and a compassionate, enlightened society should judge on intent, even if the result is terrible.
  • theonewhoknoc...

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    Sep 11, 2016 11:29 PM GMT
    The fact that Tyler killed himself should be irrelevant to the case. Bullying happens all the time and should be punished accordingly, but the victim's actions afterwards should not reflect in the punishment.
  • JackNNJ

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    Sep 12, 2016 12:56 AM GMT
    shutoman saidI'm having difficulty with some of the reasoning in this case.

    Whether Ravi was sincerely homophobic or not is beside the point.

    The point is whether secretly filming your room-mate having sex and then broadcasting/chatting online to your friends about it behind his back is bullying.

    Yes, it is.


    You don't know much about the case - that's ok, no one really does. But blatant lies were told in the media.

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    Go read the full New Yorker piece.

    More important, much of the testimony and documents related to the case have been SEALED, and remain so to this day. So very few people actually KNOW what happened.

    It's clear that the prosecution overreached.

    So the upshot is:

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  • JackNNJ

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    Sep 12, 2016 1:05 AM GMT
    theonewhoknocks saidThe fact that Tyler killed himself should be irrelevant to the case. Bullying happens all the time and should be punished accordingly, but the victim's actions afterwards should not reflect in the punishment.


    It never was part of the case. The prosecution could not legally tie Clementi's death to anything Ravi did.
  • JackNNJ

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    Sep 12, 2016 1:08 AM GMT
    YVRguy saidI don't often disagree with CuriousJock but in this case the guy is lucky I wasn't the judge or prosecutor. A young guy is dead. I would have come down on the spy with a heavy hammer to send a message to other creeps who would be inclined to do the same thing.

    I have no sympathy for him at all and 30 days in jail was an insult to the victim and his family.


    You don't know anything about the case other than what you have heard form Ellen and Maddow.

    Even worse, you are completely ignorant as to how the justice system works. Defendants have RIGHTS. A judge or prosecutor can only act within the law, and cannot make up new laws and new punishments as they go along. They cannot act according to their "feelings" about something. Go learn what the RULE OF LAW is.

    The prosecution in this case would have loved to do as you suggest - but it COULDN'T per the LAW.
  • JackNNJ

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    Sep 12, 2016 1:10 AM GMT
    metta saidHis original sentence was "30 days in jail and three years of probation". I would not call that excessive.


    Well, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about - but that's a given on RealJock. Don't go changin,' biotch.
  • theonewhoknoc...

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    Sep 12, 2016 4:13 AM GMT
    JackNNJ said
    theonewhoknocks saidThe fact that Tyler killed himself should be irrelevant to the case. Bullying happens all the time and should be punished accordingly, but the victim's actions afterwards should not reflect in the punishment.


    It never was part of the case. The prosecution could not legally tie Clementi's death to anything Ravi did.


    Legally not, but people are emotional beings and his death put enormous public pressure on the prosecution to punish Ravi as much as possible.
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    Sep 12, 2016 11:33 AM GMT
    JackNNJ said
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    ...You don't know anything about the case other than what you have heard...

    Even worse, you are completely ignorant as to how the justice system works. Defendants have RIGHTS. A judge or prosecutor can only act within the law, and cannot make up new laws and new punishments as they go along. They cannot act according to their "feelings" about something. Go learn what the RULE OF LAW is.

    The prosecution in this case would have loved to do as you suggest - but it COULDN'T per the LAW.


    I know this:
    1. the guy was CONVICTED of multiple charges and the max penalty was ten years but he got 30 days
    2. The Appeal Court ruled that ONE law he was convicted of was unconstitutional. Hardly a case of the judge and prosecutors "making up" the law. The appeals court ordered a re-trial of the remaining charges so let's see if justice may yet prevail.