'Having Sex With Poz Men Helped Kick My Fear of HIV'

  • metta

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    Sep 12, 2016 9:42 PM GMT
    'Having Sex With Poz Men Helped Kick My Fear of HIV'

    http://www.pride.com/hiv/2016/9/10/having-sex-poz-men-helped-kick-my-fear-hiv
  • metta

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    Sep 12, 2016 9:51 PM GMT
    hmmm.....I'm not at that place.
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    Sep 15, 2016 7:36 PM GMT
    metta saidhmmm.....I'm not at that place.


    That seems reasonable enough......except...........

    Dr. Carl Dieffenbach, Director of the Division of AIDS of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), a component of the NIH, confirms the understanding of science slowly infecting the stigma of HIV with truth.

    http://www.imstilljosh.com/nih-confirms-hiv-undetectable-equals-uninfectious/

    Your comment seems dismissive. As if a "hmmmm" is enough to justify an unscientific prejudice. I like the turn of phrase that science slowly INFECTS stigma with truth. Truth is the ultimate stigma antidote.

    If you won't take the antidote (truth) you willingly accept stigma.
  • metta

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    Sep 15, 2016 10:11 PM GMT
    Well, first of all, I'm not on prep or any other kind of medication. I avoid taking medication and only use it as a last resort. I'm not denying the science. I'm not really comfortable with the procedure necessary in order to get to that place. I hope they come up with a safe vaccine. I would rather do something like that.
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    Sep 16, 2016 3:48 AM GMT
    metta saidWell, first of all, I'm not on prep or any other kind of medication. I avoid taking medication and only use it as a last resort. I'm not denying the science. I'm not really comfortable with the procedure necessary in order to get to that place. I hope they come up with a safe vaccine. I would rather do something like that.


    Just to clarify, for example Dr. Joel says it is overkill, unnecessary and an economic waste in a serodiscordant couple to do both PrEP and ART. Only use PrEP as a bridge until the partner is clinically undetectable. Then ART is more than adequate. The negative partner IS protected. But if not monogamous the Negative guy needs to be on PrEP., especially if the guy is supposedly Negative. (4 people from the Partner Study got HIV, but not from their ART partner, rather from an outside source.)

    Of course these are couples that are already "at that place". You don't have to be married to understand the implications. I know several Neg guys who only do Undetectable. Unfortunately that doesn't always work. I know a Neg guy from NYC who usually did Undetectable. I met him 10 years ago. Recently I saw that he was Positive/Undetectable. I asked what had happened. I was 99% certain it wasn't from me.

    Turned out he didn't stick to his plan. He had been with a guy who they both thought was Negative. He wasn't. He should have stuck to his plan. It would have worked to prevent his HIV. But instead he fell into the Negative fallacy that serosorting with another Neg guy is OK.
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    Sep 16, 2016 5:25 AM GMT
    Q&A on the PARTNER study: how to interpret the zero transmission results


    How many people became positive from their partner?

    Zero. There were no transmissions within couples when viral load was undetectable.
    Were there other HIV transmissions?

    Yes, 11 people did become HIV positive during the study (ten gay men and one heterosexual). In nearly all these cases, the person said that they had sex with another person other than their main partner.

    Approximately 33% of gay couples and 4% of straight couples were in open relationships.

    Importantly, none of these transmissions were linked to their HIV positive partner.


    What are the implications of the results?


    The lack of HIV transmissions should challenge the wrongly held common assumption that there is always a risk just because someone is HIV positive.

    The results actually go further. The lack of transmission challenges scientists to prove that transmission is actually possible when viral load is undetectable.

    How will people benefit from these results?

    There are many benefits from these results.

    * HIV positive people can become less anxious and concerned that they are a risk to their partners whenever they have sex. This can still be a worry, even when using condoms.
    *HIV negative people can be less anxious about risk. Even when using condoms, this residual risk can limit full enjoyment of sex.
    *Less anxiety and fear can help with closer communication and better sex. For many people, a good sex life is an important and essential part of life.
    * Some people might enjoy not using condoms in a way that wasn’t possible when they still worried about HIV.
    *Sero-different couples who want to have children can conceive from just having sex without the need for additional PrEP.
    * Reducing fear about HIV transmission might reduce the stigma and rejection HIV positive people encounter when meeting new partners.
    *Legal cases where HIV is used because of a theoretical rather than actual risk will hopefully become more rare. The results might enable some people to launch an appeal.


    http://i-base.info/qa-on-the-partner-study/

  • metta

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    Sep 16, 2016 5:27 AM GMT
    Good to know. Thanks. To be honest, I don't avoid people that are HIV positive. I generally try to avoid all men....most of the time...for other reasons that have nothing to do with HIV status. ;)
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    Sep 17, 2016 3:27 PM GMT
    It seems as though this guy feels invincible after a near-death experience of sorts . HIV testing can be very traumatic for gay men. You have the guys that test negative after being reckless and swear off sex altogether (for a very short time) and then eventually realize they can have safe sex. Then you have the guys that test negative after being reckless and feel like nothing bad will ever happen to them, and being reckless becomes a high akin to the adrenaline rush people feel after playing Russian roulette (assuming they live through the "game"). I'm sure he will write a very different story when he finally tests positive.

    Anyone else find it a little hard to believe an 18 y/o was struggling with condom-related ED issues?
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    Sep 20, 2016 1:24 AM GMT
    The author admitted to being neurotic. That can't help with ED.

    He could go on PrEP if he hasn't already. But that's for Neg/unknown/not on meds. With an Undetectable partner he is protected. He isn't reckless and he won't "finally " get HIV either.