“Will & Grace” Is Coming Back The cast posted a mysterious video teasing a return.

  • metta

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    Sep 26, 2016 11:45 PM GMT
    “Will & Grace” Is Coming Back
    The cast posted a mysterious video teasing a return.

    http://www.newnownext.com/will-and-grace-coming-back-reunion/09/2016/
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    Sep 27, 2016 12:03 AM GMT
    Perhaps it might work with a new, revised approach. Their former one could be comical, and advanced for its day. But rather passé today. And the "Jack" character has to be less of an outrageous caricature of gay men. I would hope we're past that.

    I've met Leslie Jordan, also known for the trashfest movie "Sordid Lives" as "Brother Boy", who played "Karen's" country club nemesis in W&G. Out himself, and a big supporter of gay issues (he spoke at our SMART Ride), he's wonderfully charming, and unabashedly over-the-top. I like that.
  • ANTiSociaLiNJ...

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    Sep 27, 2016 6:22 AM GMT
    Looks like they're making this episode all about the November election. It's all about politics.

    Here is a ten minute clip on youtube of the new show:



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    Sep 27, 2016 3:28 PM GMT
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    Sep 27, 2016 3:35 PM GMT
    I have only seen a couple of previous episodes. I don't remember it being that bad.
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    Sep 27, 2016 3:49 PM GMT
    UMayNeverKnow said
    What's the difference between "an outrageous caricature of gay men" and "unabashedly over-the-top?" Seems very little to me. Yet you approve the behavior in an actual gay man and disapprove it in a fictitious gay character. That's rather odd.

    You're a perpetual critic of all things gay. If you don't appreciate the difference, then maybe you should stick to your natural online habitat of beer-swilling, Right-Wing homophobic redneck sites.
  • Destinharbor

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    Sep 27, 2016 4:59 PM GMT
    They must have brought back the original writing team, too. It sounds authentic in pacing and humor. Karen looked a bit too good. I found myself looking hard at the set design trying to remember if that is the actual set. I don't thinks so but not totally sure. Funny. Well done. Usually this type of thing is lame but this isn't at all. I got a good laugh. That was a well written show for years and years. Hard to maintain that quality in writing. Bravo!
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    Sep 27, 2016 8:05 PM GMT
    Lame.
  • jeep334

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    Sep 27, 2016 10:43 PM GMT
    bon_pan saidLame.


    As usual Bon_Pon is correct. There was a lot of hope for Will and Grace. Maybe it was too early for regular broadcasting rather than HBO or some other private network. I enjoyed segments but the character of Jack really disappointed me. It was a good concept and the supporting actors carried it.
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    Sep 28, 2016 2:26 AM GMT
    UMayNeverKnow said
    Art_Deco said
    UMayNeverKnow said
    What's the difference between "an outrageous caricature of gay men" and "unabashedly over-the-top?" Seems very little to me. Yet you approve the behavior in an actual gay man and disapprove it in a fictitious gay character. That's rather odd.

    You're a perpetual critic of all things gay. If you don't appreciate the difference, then maybe you should stick to your natural online habitat of beer-swilling, Right-Wing homophobic redneck sites.

    You're a nasty old queen. I criticized no one yet you come out swinging as usual with your insults. I just said I found it odd that you criticize the character Jack's "outrageous caricature of gay men" and find charming Leslie Jordan's "unabashedly over the top" behavior when I see no difference.

    OK, I'll spell it out for you. The "Jack" character on W&G was an exaggeration, even though it was played by an actual gay actor. Full of stereotypical nonsense, played for laughs, but reinforcing many straight misconceptions.

    Leslie Jordan off-screen can also be a bit campy when he wants, but terribly endearing. And his "Brother Boy" character in "Sordid Lives" was also stretching things a bit, the way it was written.

    But in a way that had pathos, something that "Jack" rarely had, who was mostly a buffoon on W&G for comic relief. Not a gay man you could take seriously. I'm sure the actor behind that role isn't really like that, merely working from his script and taking direction. And well aware of the some of the flak he caught for that caricature.

    Getting back to Jordan, in real life he is charmingly unashamed of his gay mannerisms. Which he keeps nicely under control, until he wants to draw attention to them. Mostly for a laugh, I suppose, and with a chosen audience. As with his stage act, turning the effect on and off.

    Versus "Jack" who was "Just Jack!" virtually everywhere, every hour of the day & night. Not how gay men really are to my experience. Those who act very overt are more like Leslie Jordan, and occasionally give it a rest.

    Reminding me of one of my college professors, with whom I became good friends on a nickname basis in private, being only about 2 years older than me. In the classroom and on campus he was Dr. *****, but when we were just hanging out together he was Jerry.

    About the most flaming queen I've ever known, who wore kaftans at home (1970s era), makeup & gaudy jewelry. Like he was in half-drag. And could swish around better than anyone I've ever met.

    But when he had serious work to do he lost all those mannerisms. How he went on to become Dean of a college himself, and then a Vice-President for Academics at a major NY university system. He was a very efficient administrator, and actually the best classroom educator I've ever had.

    He employed the best example of US Army instructional techniques I've ever seen, although he wasn't aware of that until I told him. So that when I later taught high school and college myself, he served as my model.

    That's not the depth that the "Jack" character was given, nor that Leslie Jordan actually possesses, either. Which is what sets them apart, and other gay men I know, from a cartoon caricature gay like "Jack".
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    Sep 28, 2016 11:51 AM GMT
    How gay.
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    Sep 28, 2016 11:56 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    UMayNeverKnow said
    What's the difference between "an outrageous caricature of gay men" and "unabashedly over-the-top?" Seems very little to me. Yet you approve the behavior in an actual gay man and disapprove it in a fictitious gay character. That's rather odd.

    You're a perpetual critic of all things gay. If you don't appreciate the difference, then maybe you should stick to your natural online habitat of beer-swilling, Right-Wing homophobic redneck sites.


    Oh please Bobby Boo boo, get of your high horse little man. Don't overlook your many years of looking down on us homosexuals as somthing dirty, and beneath you, during your many, many years a a breeding hetrosexual person..
  • Nakedman1969

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    Sep 28, 2016 11:51 PM GMT
    I loved Will and Grace, I laughed at that show every time I watched it. I loved when Karen cut Leslie down all the time. But I also heard that they are planing a reunion show, when I don't know.
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    Sep 29, 2016 6:59 AM GMT
    God_Said said
    Art_Deco said
    UMayNeverKnow said
    What's the difference between "an outrageous caricature of gay men" and "unabashedly over-the-top?" Seems very little to me. Yet you approve the behavior in an actual gay man and disapprove it in a fictitious gay character. That's rather odd.

    You're a perpetual critic of all things gay. If you don't appreciate the difference, then maybe you should stick to your natural online habitat of beer-swilling, Right-Wing homophobic redneck sites.


    Oh please Bobby Boo boo, get of your high horse little man. Don't overlook your many years of looking down on us homosexuals as somthing dirty, and beneath you, during your many, many years a a breeding hetrosexual person..


    LOL! Oh, that's right. Wasn't Art some type of decorated military colonel in the US army or something similar, living his life completely in the closet during his early adulthood? I vaguely recall he used to boast of such things. I seem to also remember that the entire family he created with his ex-wife won't have anything to do with him. Even his own children want nothing to do with him. That has to hurt deeply. But, given his uppity, high falutin and inexorably combative nature, which seems to increase with more and more members on this site on a daily basis, it becomes inescapably obvious those close to him ultimately want nothing to do with him.

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    Sep 29, 2016 9:12 AM GMT
    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior said
    God_Said said
    Art_Deco said
    UMayNeverKnow said
    What's the difference between "an outrageous caricature of gay men" and "unabashedly over-the-top?" Seems very little to me. Yet you approve the behavior in an actual gay man and disapprove it in a fictitious gay character. That's rather odd.

    You're a perpetual critic of all things gay. If you don't appreciate the difference, then maybe you should stick to your natural online habitat of beer-swilling, Right-Wing homophobic redneck sites.


    Oh please Bobby Boo boo, get of your high horse little man. Don't overlook your many years of looking down on us homosexuals as somthing dirty, and beneath you, during your many, many years a a breeding hetrosexual person..


    LOL! Oh, that's right. Wasn't Art some type of decorated military colonel in the US army or something similar, living his life completely in the closet during his early adulthood? I vaguely recall he used to boast of such things. I seem to also remember that the entire family he created with his ex-wife won't have anything to do with him. Even his own children want nothing to do with him. That has to hurt deeply. But, given his uppity, high falutin and inexorably combative nature, which seems to increase with more and more members on this site on a daily basis, it becomes inescapably obvious those close to him ultimately want nothing to do with him.



    Ex wives, and correct the children he created during his allegedly celibrated millatary career, as well as being a MP in the army, a history teacher, drag queen; the list goes on, want nothing to do with daddy. Bobby claims to of suddenly gone poof, and he was a queer. Lord what would his parents think if they came back for one day.