It's Brexit all over again coming. Trump won the debate


  • Sep 27, 2016 2:19 PM GMT
    This looks so much like what we experienced earlier this year. Our media tried very hard to make it seem like Brexit would never pass but the people stopped paying attention to the media and stopped thinking the way the media wanted them to think. Here are some polling results that The Daily Mail put together showing how you Yanks reacted to the debate.

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  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 27, 2016 2:44 PM GMT
    I must say that I am pretty surprised seeing this morning that the vast majority of polls have Trump winning the debate. Even the poll in the very liberal entertainment newspaper VARIETY has Trump winning. I'm a Trump supporter, and even I thought Clinton was the clear winner. Not that she had any real defining moment that hit it out of the park, nor did Trump have any major gaffes (although he said some things I wish he hadn't), but she just had a better tone, didn't interrupt him as much, and seemed more prepared overall.
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    Sep 27, 2016 2:50 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI must say that I am pretty surprised seeing this morning that the vast majority of polls have Trump winning the debate. Even the poll in the very liberal entertainment newspaper VARIETY has Trump winning. I'm a Trump supporter, and even I thought Clinton was the clear winner. Not that she had any real defining moment that hit it out of the park, nor did Trump have any major gaffes (although he said some things I wish he hadn't), but she just had a better tone, didn't interrupt him as much, and seemed more prepared overall.

    You need to look at the debate in a larger context:

    Trump did miss opportunities to nail Hillary's coverup - private server to avoid government oversight, etc. Many of his supporters would have enjoyed that. As for a debate performance, he would have been more effective going on the attack.

    BUT - and this is the key - He did not need to further elaborate on her dishonesty, etc. Polls reflect people are well aware of that. What he needed to show, which he did, was he could be presidential, destroying the main theme of the Clinton campaign. Clinton has no other theme - character? no. experience? yes but a string of failures, likability? nope
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    Sep 27, 2016 3:29 PM GMT
    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-won-the-debate-which-means-shes-likely-to-gain-in-the-polls/...Clinton bested Trump in the first presidential debate according to a variety of metrics...

    Start with a CNN poll of debate-watchers, which showed that 62 percent of voters thought Clinton won the debate compared to 27 percent for Trump — a 35-point margin. That’s the third-widest margin ever in a CNN or Gallup post-debate poll, which date back to 1984. The only more lopsided outcomes were the 1992 town hall debate between Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush and Ross Perot — widely seen as a maestro performance by Clinton — and the first debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney in 2012, when the CNN poll showed a 42-point win for Romney and the horse-race polls moved in his favor in the following days.

    Post-debate surveys like CNN’s aren’t always popular with poll mavens, in part because the universe of poll-watchers may not match the electorate overall. The voters in CNN’s poll were Democratic-leaning by a net of 15 percentage points, for instance, a considerably wider advantage than Democrats are likely to enjoy on Election Day.

    But the CNN survey also historically correlates fairly well with movement in the post-election polls. Below, you’ll find a comparison between the perceived winner of the CNN/Gallup poll in debates since 1984...
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    Sep 27, 2016 5:06 PM GMT
    In last night's debate, Donald Trump, in my opinion went unopposed by Hillary Clinton on weather or not countries are paying enough for US military protection and weather or not we can continue to afford the military expense of doing this.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 27, 2016 5:13 PM GMT
    I am not one bit surprised by Trumps overwhelming victory in the San Diego Union-Tribune poll because both the central city of San Diego and all of San Diego County is quite conservative despite being located in a predominantly loony leftist state.

  • Sep 27, 2016 5:44 PM GMT
    The media is running the risk of misreading the voting public as they did here.
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    Sep 27, 2016 5:57 PM GMT
    HotBlokeWestminster saidThe media is running the risk of misreading the voting public as they did here.
    The corporate mainstream media is scared shitless of a Trump victory in November that is why they distort facts and cover up all the endless lawbreaking of the Clintons. Most Americans do not like or trust Hillary Clinton.
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    Sep 27, 2016 7:38 PM GMT
    You missed the asterisk. call in or online votes are not reliable statistically.

    " A disclaimer: Online reader polls like this one are not statistically representative of likely voters, and are not predictive of how the debate outcome will affect the election. They are a measure, however imprecise, of which candidates have the most energized online supporters, or most social media savvy fan base. After all, what they are counting is the number of Internet-devices controlled by people who want to vote."

    On TIME it's now 45/55.

    According to these online votes (not a poll) Republicans always win!
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    Sep 27, 2016 7:44 PM GMT
    Why even Republicans think Clinton won the first debate

    THE BIG IDEA: The consensus that Donald Trump badly lost the first debate gelled overnight. Liberals predictably panned the GOP nominee’s performance on Long Island, but some of the harshest reviews are coming from conservative thought leaders who had been starting to come around.

    -- Instant reaction:

    Republican pollster Frank Luntz conducted a focus group of undecided voters in Pennsylvanio said Hillary Clinton won. Five picked Trump, per CBS News.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/09/27/daily-202-why-even-republicans-think-clinton-won-the-first-debate/57e9b033e9b69b3019a1e037/

  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 27, 2016 10:42 PM GMT
    TIMinPS saidYou missed the asterisk. call in or online votes are not reliable statistically.

    " A disclaimer: Online reader polls like this one are not statistically representative of likely voters, and are not predictive of how the debate outcome will affect the election. They are a measure, however imprecise, of which candidates have the most energized online supporters, or most social media savvy fan base. After all, what they are counting is the number of Internet-devices controlled by people who want to vote."

    On TIME it's now 45/55.

    According to these online votes (not a poll) Republicans always win!
    Oh you leftist lunatics just cannot bear the true fact that Trump beat Hillary in the polls from last nights debate. You distort everything just to suit your own little leftist agenda. You are all treasonous traitors to this great country for supporting this crooked, power hungry cunt in the first place.
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    Sep 27, 2016 10:52 PM GMT
    roadbikerob,
    With all due respect, your life isn't going to get better under a Trump presidency.

    Unless Donald himself comes to your door, slaps your face and kicks your ass and says "STOP WHINING! MAKE SOMETHING OF YOUR LIFE!"
    I don't see much hope for you.

    Is that HARSH? Good. Wake Up, Man! You're making yourself miserable and blaming everyone but yourself.
    Hillary may well be a BITCH but she's not your problem. YOU ARE.
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    Sep 28, 2016 6:29 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    TIMinPS saidYou missed the asterisk. call in or online votes are not reliable statistically.

    " A disclaimer: Online reader polls like this one are not statistically representative of likely voters, and are not predictive of how the debate outcome will affect the election. They are a measure, however imprecise, of which candidates have the most energized online supporters, or most social media savvy fan base. After all, what they are counting is the number of Internet-devices controlled by people who want to vote."

    On TIME it's now 45/55.

    According to these online votes (not a poll) Republicans always win!
    Oh you leftist lunatics just cannot bear the true fact that Trump beat Hillary in the polls from last nights debate. You distort everything just to suit your own little leftist agenda. You are all treasonous traitors to this great country for supporting this crooked, power hungry cunt in the first place.


    Must of caused a few of the libtards to blower fuse.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 28, 2016 12:11 PM GMT
    TimTheThird saidroadbikerob,
    With all due respect, your life isn't going to get better under a Trump presidency.

    Unless Donald himself comes to your door, slaps your face and kicks your ass and says "STOP WHINING! MAKE SOMETHING OF YOUR LIFE!"
    I don't see much hope for you.

    Is that HARSH? Good. Wake Up, Man! You're making yourself miserable and blaming everyone but yourself.
    Hillary may well be a BITCH but she's not your problem. YOU ARE.
    You obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about. You never met me in person but here you are making all kinds of generalizations about me when you are clearly wrong. You are also dead wrong for supporting Hillary rotten Clinton for President which is a highly treasonous act on your part.
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    Sep 28, 2016 1:04 PM GMT
    Perhaps this will explain the alt-right fiction that Trump won the debate (http://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-donald-trump-debate-polls-2016-9).

    *******

    Trump did, in fact, come out ahead in a slew of online polls on various websites. But those polls were all unscientific, meaning the sample of participants did not accurately reflect the sample of viewers who watched the debate. The Drudge Report, a popular conservative news source, also linked to each online poll, heavily skewing the results. Such polls are almost always discounted by professional pollsters and analysts. The only scientific survey conducted in the immediate aftermath was the CNN/ORC instant poll, which showed viewers thought Hillary Clinton handily defeated Trump.

    But that important distinction did not stop a handful of Fox News hosts from promoting the results of the online polls.
    Sean Hannity led the charge in the hours after the debate, repeatedly citing online polls as supposed proof Trump won the debate.
    "I have it in front of me. Time magazine, Drudge Report, CNBC, The Hill, CBS — the only one that has Hillary winning is CNN, and they are the 'Clinton News Network,'" Hannity told millions of viewers.

    Not only did CBS not conduct a poll, but Hannity strongly implied that the unscientific online polls were more accurate than the CNN/ORC poll, a patently false claim. "They surveyed — these other ones have hundreds of thousands if not millions" of participants, Hannity said of the polls.

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    A tweet from CBS is instructive:

    Major Garrett
    Verified account
    ‏@MajorCBS
    On @foxandfriends @realDonaldTrump said he won a @CBSNews post-debate poll. We did not conduct a post-debate poll.

    See https://twitter.com/MajorCBS/status/780747025398763520


  • Sep 28, 2016 2:27 PM GMT
    DOMINUS saidPerhaps this will explain the alt-right fiction that Trump won the debate (http://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-donald-trump-debate-polls-2016-9).

    *******

    Trump did, in fact, come out ahead in a slew of online polls on various websites. But those polls were all unscientific, meaning the sample of participants did not accurately reflect the sample of viewers who watched the debate. The Drudge Report, a popular conservative news source, also linked to each online poll, heavily skewing the results. Such polls are almost always discounted by professional pollsters and analysts. The only scientific survey conducted in the immediate aftermath was the CNN/ORC instant poll, which showed viewers thought Hillary Clinton handily defeated Trump.

    But that important distinction did not stop a handful of Fox News hosts from promoting the results of the online polls.
    Sean Hannity led the charge in the hours after the debate, repeatedly citing online polls as supposed proof Trump won the debate.
    "I have it in front of me. Time magazine, Drudge Report, CNBC, The Hill, CBS — the only one that has Hillary winning is CNN, and they are the 'Clinton News Network,'" Hannity told millions of viewers.

    Not only did CBS not conduct a poll, but Hannity strongly implied that the unscientific online polls were more accurate than the CNN/ORC poll, a patently false claim. "They surveyed — these other ones have hundreds of thousands if not millions" of participants, Hannity said of the polls.

    ********
    A tweet from CBS is instructive:

    Major Garrett
    Verified account
    ‏@MajorCBS
    On @foxandfriends @realDonaldTrump said he won a @CBSNews post-debate poll. We did not conduct a post-debate poll.

    See https://twitter.com/MajorCBS/status/780747025398763520



    What outfit is this then?

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/09/26/cbsnewyork-poll-who-won-the-first-presidential-debate/

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    Sep 28, 2016 3:36 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    TimTheThird saidroadbikerob,
    With all due respect, your life isn't going to get better under a Trump presidency.

    Unless Donald himself comes to your door, slaps your face and kicks your ass and says "STOP WHINING! MAKE SOMETHING OF YOUR LIFE!"
    I don't see much hope for you.

    Is that HARSH? Good. Wake Up, Man! You're making yourself miserable and blaming everyone but yourself.
    Hillary may well be a BITCH but she's not your problem. YOU ARE.
    You obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about. You never met me in person but here you are making all kinds of generalizations about me when you are clearly wrong. You are also dead wrong for supporting Hillary rotten Clinton for President which is a highly treasonous act on your part.


    BULLSHIT, Rob
    You are constantly complaining in these forums about your dead end job and your lack of opportunity.



  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 28, 2016 10:59 PM GMT
    TimTheThird said
    roadbikeRob said
    TimTheThird saidroadbikerob,
    With all due respect, your life isn't going to get better under a Trump presidency.

    Unless Donald himself comes to your door, slaps your face and kicks your ass and says "STOP WHINING! MAKE SOMETHING OF YOUR LIFE!"
    I don't see much hope for you.

    Is that HARSH? Good. Wake Up, Man! You're making yourself miserable and blaming everyone but yourself.
    Hillary may well be a BITCH but she's not your problem. YOU ARE.
    You obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about. You never met me in person but here you are making all kinds of generalizations about me when you are clearly wrong. You are also dead wrong for supporting Hillary rotten Clinton for President which is a highly icon_mad.giftreasonous act on your part.


    BULLSHIT, Rob
    You are constantly complaining in these forums about your dead end job and your lack of opportunity.



    Let me tell you something sweetheart, SHUT UPicon_mad.gificon_exclaim.gif
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    Sep 29, 2016 12:01 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    TIMinPS saidYou missed the asterisk. call in or online votes are not reliable statistically.

    " A disclaimer: Online reader polls like this one are not statistically representative of likely voters, and are not predictive of how the debate outcome will affect the election. They are a measure, however imprecise, of which candidates have the most energized online supporters, or most social media savvy fan base. After all, what they are counting is the number of Internet-devices controlled by people who want to vote."

    On TIME it's now 45/55.

    According to these online votes (not a poll) Republicans always win!
    Oh you leftist lunatics just cannot bear the true fact that Trump beat Hillary in the polls from last nights debate. You distort everything just to suit your own little leftist agenda. You are all treasonous traitors to this great country for supporting this crooked, power hungry cunt in the first place.



    Oh please, right wing fascists have been doing this for ages! Even in the old AOL days back in the 90s. AOL would do a "vote" and the internet crazies would come pouring out to make their truth.
    Using "c^%$" is so offensive and misogynistic you should be ousted for violating TOS.
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    Sep 29, 2016 12:02 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    TimTheThird said
    roadbikeRob said
    TimTheThird saidroadbikerob,
    With all due respect, your life isn't going to get better under a Trump presidency.

    Unless Donald himself comes to your door, slaps your face and kicks your ass and says "STOP WHINING! MAKE SOMETHING OF YOUR LIFE!"
    I don't see much hope for you.

    Is that HARSH? Good. Wake Up, Man! You're making yourself miserable and blaming everyone but yourself.
    Hillary may well be a BITCH but she's not your problem. YOU ARE.
    You obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about. You never met me in person but here you are making all kinds of generalizations about me when you are clearly wrong. You are also dead wrong for supporting Hillary rotten Clinton for President which is a highly icon_mad.giftreasonous act on your part.


    BULLSHIT, Rob
    You are constantly complaining in these forums about your dead end job and your lack of opportunity.



    Let me tell you something sweetheart, SHUT UPicon_mad.gificon_exclaim.gif


    Cheers! Now you are talking like tRump! (a 5 yo bully!)