Analysis: Hillary Clinton's Studies for Debate With Donald Trump Pay Off

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    Sep 27, 2016 5:29 PM GMT
    "In a battle of preparation versus instincts, preparation won in a major way.

    For weeks, Democrats worried that a newer, more disciplined, more effective Donald Trump might emerge during their first debate and benefit from low expectations to steal a win from the more experienced Hillary Clinton.

    Instead, Clinton gained the upper hand early as Trump grew defensive over personal attacks, dissembled or contradicted himself on key issues, and reopened old wounds on gender and race along the way.

    He sniffed and huffed his way through the debate, calling Clinton's treatment of him "not nice" and insisting of her attacks, "I don't deserve that."

    Other times he was hostile, speaking over Clinton in an attempt to dominate her the way he overpowered his male rivals in the Republican primary.

    But the aggression that made him the big man on the primary debate stage made him seem small in the more sober general election format. And instead of trying to match Trump's force head-on, Clinton incited, dodged, and countered from the flank with the flair of a matador."

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    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-presidential-debates/analysis-hillary-clinton-s-studies-debate-donald-trump-pay-n655186
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    Sep 27, 2016 5:36 PM GMT
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    Sep 27, 2016 5:40 PM GMT
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    LMAO! Nicely done!

  • Sep 27, 2016 5:40 PM GMT
    It paid off. For Trump as I noted in my topic.
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  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 27, 2016 5:43 PM GMT
    Bullshit! You keep living in your ultra leftist fantasyland of a Hillary victory. She might have won the first debate although most polls have found the opposite but the fact remains that there are two more debates and we shall see what happens. She is totally unfit and unqualified for the nations highest office.
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    Sep 27, 2016 9:32 PM GMT
    Trump is out of his depth. He's been winging it and getting away with it for a long time. But no more. Blame the mic, blame the moderator, blame anything other than your own ineptitude Donald. The desperation is palpable.
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    Sep 27, 2016 11:33 PM GMT
    I don't particular care for either canidate but it's clear who's the more confident canidate.

    Trump is fuming. The self proclaimed "winner" is a sore loser. Hillary was cut throat and came for blood, poor Trump. He could of easily came for her just as hard but he was clearly unprepared. He almost had her good at NAFTA but dropped the ball and made a fool of himself instead.
    The way she called him out for rooting for the housing crisis/2008 recession was too good. It makes his recent "warnings" of a bigger recession striking soon very telling. As if he's rooting for another economic crisis while in office so that he can secure his brand at our cost. "It's called business" ~Donald Trump
    Hillary is having a field day with all the shit talking Trump does.
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    Sep 27, 2016 11:54 PM GMT
    BP201 saidI don't particular care for either canidate but it's clear who's the more confident canidate.

    Trump is fuming. The self proclaimed "winner" is a sore loser. Hillary was cut throat and came for blood, poor Trump. He could of easily came for her just as hard but he was clearly unprepared. He almost had her good at NAFTA but dropped the ball and made a fool of himself instead.
    The way she called him out for rooting for the housing crisis/2008 recession was too good. It makes his recent "warnings" of a bigger recession very telling. As if he's rooting for another economic crisis while in office so that he can secure his brand at our cost. "It's called business" ~Donald Trump
    Hillary is having a field day with all the shit talking Trump does.
    Trump should have remained on the issue of NAFTA and free trade in general and than he could have verbally torn Hillary to pieces. He made a major error there and that gave the Wicked Witch of Wall Street sufficient wiggle room to come out and attack him like a vicious feral cat. This is what hurt him in last nights debate. However despite this he emerged as a winner of last nights debate according to many polls and I don't take much stock in polls. I am hoping that he comes much better prepared for the next debate and than really exposes and embarrasses this opportunist for what she really is and that is a crooked, power hungry, incompetent whore who has never honestly worked a day in her pampered, silver spooned life.
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    BP201 saidI don't particular care for either canidate but it's clear who's the more confident canidate.

    Trump is fuming. The self proclaimed "winner" is a sore loser. Hillary was cut throat and came for blood, poor Trump. He could of easily came for her just as hard but he was clearly unprepared. He almost had her good at NAFTA but dropped the ball and made a fool of himself instead.
    The way she called him out for rooting for the housing crisis/2008 recession was too good. It makes his recent "warnings" of a bigger recession very telling. As if he's rooting for another economic crisis while in office so that he can secure his brand at our cost. "It's called business" ~Donald Trump
    Hillary is having a field day with all the shit talking Trump does.
    Trump should have remained on the issue of NAFTA and free trade in general and than he could have verbally torn Hillary to pieces. He made a major error there and that gave the Wicked Witch of Wall Street sufficient wiggle room to come out and attack him like a vicious feral cat. This is what hurt him in last nights debate. However despite this he emerged as a winner of last nights debate according to many polls and I don't take much stock in polls. I am hoping that he comes much better prepared for the next debate and than really exposes and embarrasses this opportunist for what she really is and that is a crooked, power hungry, incompetent whore who has never honestly worked a day in her pampered, silver spooned life.


    She threw the bait and she wheeled him in. He just didn't take the debate seriously. He's a comedic reality tv star who brings in the ratings. Hillary did a great job directing the show is all I know.

    &Those polls don't really represent the millennials who are still "feeing the Bern" but this isn't over. Trump is being dragged to the pits on social media by millennials. Trump is only here to maximize his appeal to the older, more religious voters to overpower the younger, more progressive voters Hillary is desperate for. Hillary will get her chance to devour Trump when issues relating to millennials are discussed I can see it now. He'll be crucified by Novemeber.
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    Sep 28, 2016 1:47 AM GMT
    NYT: Donald J. Trump lashed out on Tuesday in the aftermath of a disappointing first debate with Hillary Clinton, scolding the moderator, criticizing a beauty pageant winner for her physique and raising the prospect of an all-out attack on Bill Clinton’s marital infidelities in the final stretch of the campaign.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-debate.html?
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    Sep 28, 2016 1:56 AM GMT
    Hillary wiped the floor with Trump's ass. Everything being equal (and I'm being generous here), nothing beats preparation.
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    Sep 28, 2016 3:26 AM GMT
    DOMINUS saidHillary wiped the floor with Trump's ass. Everything being equal (and I'm being generous here), nothing beats preparation.

    And that's what a President needs to know how to do, and to make sure it happens before making an important decision or taking an action. What Hillary Clinton knows how to do, and what Donald Trump doesn't.

    That difference was never more apparent than Monday night. Clinton was primed, confident, and made the better case. Trump was fumbling and playing defense. And as usual, he was mostly shooting from the lip.
  • rnch

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    Sep 28, 2016 1:35 PM GMT
    As the last two POTUS elections have proven, polls are of variable importance and inaccurate indicators of the truth.

    Online opinion polls can be skewered by enthusiastic responders.

    The ONLY "poll" that really counts is the one in November.
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    Sep 28, 2016 2:10 PM GMT
    rnch saidAs the last two POTUS elections have proven, polls are of variable importance and inaccurate indicators of the truth.

    Online opinion polls can be skewered by enthusiastic responders.

    The ONLY "poll" that really counts is the one in November.


    Agreed. According to the pundits, Nixon won the Kennedy-Nixon debate in 1960. And Carter won the Carter-Reagan debate in 1980. What the pundits failed to take into account were the optics and body language.

    The candidates' body language and carriage matter. A lot.

    Kennedy appeared fresh, confident, and presidential. Nixon appeared nervous and sweaty. Carter appeared smarmy and nasty during the 1980 debate while Reagan appeared grandfatherly and reasonable. Prior to the debate, Reagan had been painted as incompetent and crazy. The debate turned that impression around.

    Likewise, Trump may just have to show that he's not an insane hater during the debates -- contrary to how he's being labelled by the media. There's a huge anti-establishment, anti-elite movement in this country that has propelled both Trump and Sanders, and being a smooth, ultra-prepared politician of the sort Hillary was during the debates may not be an advantage.
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    Sep 28, 2016 3:08 PM GMT
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    Likewise, Trump may just have to show that he's not an insane hater during the debates -- contrary to how he's being labelled by the media. There's a huge anti-establishment, anti-elite movement in this country that has propelled both Trump and Sanders, and being a smooth, ultra-prepared politician of the sort Hillary was during the debates may not be an advantage.

    Actually I thought Trump DID display some of his uglier traits during the debate. And a "smooth, ultra-prepared politician" like Hillary is exactly what we SHOULD want in the White House. Ready to hit the ground running from Day One. When setting policy, making decisions, and dealing with foreign leaders.

    But no doubt it is true that Trump will have appeal to some anti-establishment types, who can't or won't comprehend the negative consequences of having an ill-prepared and untrainable megalomaniac in the White House. And I could understand if they identified with a "poor boy makes good" story, a classic American theme.

    Which actually did partially apply to Bill Clinton, from a humble and challenging upbringing, and to some other Presidents, perhaps most famously Abraham Lincoln. But "rich boy gets richer"? Now what would they have in common with that, or could hope to emulate?

    If you wanna just thumb your nose at The System go right ahead. There are plenty of times when I want to do that myself, and have. But don't ruin MY country, and the country of millions of others, in doing it. Reminds me of an old saying my Mother often used: "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face". Except this is MY face, too, that they're trying to spite.
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    Sep 28, 2016 4:36 PM GMT
    NYT: Even as Mr. Trump’s advisers publicly backed him on Tuesday and praised his debate performance, they were privately awash in second-guessing about why he stopped attacking Mrs. Clinton on trade and character issues and instead grew erratic, impatient and subdued as the night went on. In interviews, seven campaign aides and advisers, most of whom sought anonymity to speak candidly, expressed frustration and discouragement over their candidate’s performance Monday night.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/us/politics/donald-trump-debate.html?
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    Sep 28, 2016 5:44 PM GMT
    Trump has about five minutes of material that he uses for his stump speeches -- mostly slogans and insult comedy.
    But during the debate he looked like a fool because he didn't have anything beyond that. He doesn't have real plans for solving our nation's problems.
    Which is no surprise since he has zero government or military experience.
    The US Presidency is not an entry-level job.
    He's completely unqualified and unfit for the office.
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    KissTheSky saidTrump has about five minutes of material that he uses for his stump speeches -- mostly slogans and insult comedy.
    But during the debate he looked like a fool because he didn't have anything beyond that. He doesn't have real plans for solving our nation's problems.
    Which is no surprise since he has zero government or military experience.
    The US Presidency is not an entry-level job.
    He's completely unqualified and unfit for the office.


    Does the Constitution say he has to have government or military experience?
    Does the Constitution say he is completely unqualified?
    If so, how is he a candidate?