Does It Really Matters Who Wins?

  • Eli_jah

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    Sep 28, 2016 5:11 AM GMT
    I doubt either of these bozos is gonna do anything substantial in office. I doubt Trump even wants to actually do this job, and Clinton just wants to be Prez to complete her legacy. The next President will be merely a placeholder until 2020. They'll both be way too old to run again anyway.
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    Sep 28, 2016 5:17 AM GMT
    It does because the next President is likely to be able to change the balance of the Supreme Court one way or the other. Those judges have a far greater impact on your daily life than the President. Remember, the Supreme Court could easily have banned gay marriage and allowed anti-gay discrimination if they wanted to. They could have set back gay rights for decades. Imagine what else they could do....
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    Sep 28, 2016 5:33 AM GMT
    PS You're being far too cynical. Your blog "Fear and Loathing in the time of Trump" confirms it. Honestly, the sense of ennui that you are describing can be applied to many Western countries, let alone those of the third world. Yes, times are tough and they are a-changing but the U.S. has never been static. Society there has constantly been changing. Change oft brings winners and losers but that's life. More often than not change has been for the better in the long run.

    You suggested that Trump is "exploiting" the white under-class but maybe he's simply articulating their own angst. No one else appears to be listening to them and that's why they will vote for him even as they cringe at his politically awkward phrasing. They have no one else to turn to. They know international trade deals, for example, have burnt blue-collar workers in the past and they rightfully don't trust Clinton to change the status quo.
  • Eli_jah

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    Sep 28, 2016 5:36 AM GMT
    YVRguy saidIt does because the next President is likely to be able to change the balance of the Supreme Court one way or the other. Those judges have a far greater impact on your daily life than the President. Remember, the Supreme Court could easily have banned gay marriage and allowed anti-gay discrimination if they wanted to. They could have set back gay rights for decades. Imagine what else they could do....


    I can imagine. Hillary will focus on women's issues, education, and economic opportunity, but I doubt she'll pull an LBJ and overhaul the entire system. Too entrenched and tethered to various interests. The status quo will be kept.

    The "worst" Trump can do is send troops in to fight ISIS. I mean, that's bad enough, depending on who you talk to, but kind of inevitable.

    In short, I don't see how a Pres. Trump is the beginning of the end, or how Clinton is going to really change anything. Meh.
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    Sep 28, 2016 5:38 AM GMT
    I think that we can both agree that regardless of who wins life as we know it in the US will continue to muddle on much as it is doing now.
  • Eli_jah

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    Sep 28, 2016 5:40 AM GMT
    YVRguy saidPS You're being far too cynical. Your blog "Fear and Loathing in the time of Trump" confirms it. Honestly, the sense of ennui that you are describing can be applied to many Western countries, let alone those of the third world. Yes, times are tough and they are a-changing but the U.S. has never been static. Society there has constantly been changing. Change oft brings winners and losers but that's life. More often than not change has been for the better in the long run.

    You suggested that Trump is "exploiting" the white under-class but maybe he's simply articulating their own angst. No one else appears to be listening to them and that's why they will vote for him even as they cringe at his politically awkward phrasing. They have no one else to turn to. They know international trade deals, for example, have burnt blue-collar workers in the past and they rightfully don't trust Clinton to change the status quo.


    Do you really think Trump is going to do anything for the millions of unemployed blue collar workers? How will he create jobs? He has a very shallow understanding of how the economy works, which is surprising because he's a billionaire businessman and went to Stanford.
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    Sep 28, 2016 5:51 AM GMT
    I'm under no illusions as to what Trump will or more importantly can do for the vast majority of blue collar workers. The man has burnt so many bridges with the Republican Elite that I think he'll struggle to get anything passed in congress. In my opinion he's effectively a third party candidate.

    What he can, and probably will do is slow the influx of cheap labour pouring in the US. The economic ramifications of that are difficult to say with assurance but I'd say the number of American computer tech managers (for example) being outsourced out a job will noticeably go down.
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    Sep 28, 2016 5:41 PM GMT
    Trump won't able to do anything. He is an outsider like Swarzenagger was as Governor of California . Bravado is stopped dead in the molasses of the political machine.


    YVRguy saidI'm under no illusions as to what Trump will or more importantly can do for the vast majority of blue collar workers. The man has burnt so many bridges with the Republican Elite that I think he'll struggle to get anything passed in congress. In my opinion he's effectively a third party candidate.

    What he can, and probably will do is slow the influx of cheap labour pouring in the US. The economic ramifications of that are difficult to say with assurance but I'd say the number of American computer tech managers (for example) being outsourced out a job will noticeably go down.
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    Sep 28, 2016 5:49 PM GMT
    YVRguy saidThe man has burnt so many bridges with the Republican Elite that I think he'll struggle to get anything passed in congress. In my opinion he's effectively a third party candidate.

    If nothing else, Trump could veto a lot of legislation that congress passes. Whether or not there are enough votes to override his vetoes is anyone's guess. Reagan never hesitated to veto legislation he didn't like.
  • Blue81

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    Sep 28, 2016 6:15 PM GMT
    YVRguy saidIt does because the next President is likely to be able to change the balance of the Supreme Court one way or the other. Those judges have a far greater impact on your daily life than the President. Remember, the Supreme Court could easily have banned gay marriage and allowed anti-gay discrimination if they wanted to. They could have set back gay rights for decades. Imagine what else they could do....


    I totally agree. Read what Trump says he wants to do in his first day if he's elected. He could break all kinds of treaties and trade deals, get us into conflicts in places across the globe, remove anything put in place by an executive order. There's plenty that the President can do without Congressional approval.
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    Sep 28, 2016 6:43 PM GMT
    IDK, does it? Who's responsible for America's failed prison system that now consists of 25% of the worlds prison population? Was it President Nixon who started the war on drugs or was it the 7 presidents that failed to end it? Who was responsible for the war in Iraq? Was it Bush who declared a war on terror? What did Obama do by promising to end this war? He started a new one in Syria with Russia.

    Just ask John F. Kennedy if it mattered. All that truly matters is to be prepared for the worst and expect for the best.
  • TheBaise

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    Sep 28, 2016 7:26 PM GMT
    Dudes / you gotta think about this stuff! Trump will cut our programs and were gonna have to go out and work. That ain't cool / plane an simple! I wanted to retire at 40 an I'm not wanting to have to work again. This could break up our cool / happy home! A vote for HRC gets us more stuff, Dudes! Think!
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    Sep 28, 2016 7:35 PM GMT
    TheBaise saidDudes / you gotta think about this stuff! Trump will cut our programs and were gonna have to go out and work.


    Dude,
    It's worse than that. THE RAINBOW FUND(that gives each of us $5,000 a month for party money) will get cancelled.

    And even worse than that is that Duh Donald will so screw up, THERE WON'T BE ANY JOBS!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 28, 2016 7:54 PM GMT
    Eli_jah saidI doubt either of these bozos is gonna do anything substantial in office. I doubt Trump even wants to actually do this job, and Clinton just wants to be Prez to complete her legacy. The next President will be merely a placeholder until 2020. They'll both be way too old to run again anyway.



    Yes, of course it will matter. Your taxes will matter...Your safety will matter...the Supreme Court will matter...your health care will matter
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    Sep 28, 2016 8:54 PM GMT
    YVRguy saidIt does because the next President is likely to be able to change the balance of the Supreme Court one way or the other. Those judges have a far greater impact on your daily life than the President. Remember, the Supreme Court could easily have banned gay marriage and allowed anti-gay discrimination if they wanted to. They could have set back gay rights for decades. Imagine what else they could do....


    More Liberal Fear Mongering to gin up the base. The previous SCOTUS with conservatives gave us: gay marriage, Obamacare twice, denied abortion limits and overturned campaign finance reform to the benefit of democrats. Try reading history, SCOTUS never reverses a major decision of a previous SCOTUS . Gay marriage and abortion are here to stay.

    While Clinton promises to maintain Obama's zero interest/money printing bubble until it bursts, Trump hasn't offered any viable alternatives. They're both duds. One can only hope whichever is elected passes away of natural causes in their sleep.
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    Sep 28, 2016 8:58 PM GMT
    Of course it matters. Let us assume the country did not elect J. F. Kennedy. Would Nixon agree with the military and shoot nuclear warheads at Cuba? Let us assume that the country did not elect F. D. Roosevelt. Would we cower and took a isolationist stance, as proposed by Trump and Jill Stein, to allow Hitler to dominate the world? And lastly, let us assume that the country did not elect A. Lincoln. Would we now have multiple countries in the North American continent warring with each other and not the United States as dictated by the Constitution which birthed us?

    Lastly, let us assume that we did not elect Obama. Would a Republican President agree with the Republican Congress to not pass the aid package that have enlivened our economy today from the financial hole that the Republicans put us in?
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    Sep 28, 2016 9:06 PM GMT
    And one more thing: I notice that the OP is Black. Your rights to vote, to marry, to ride on a bus sitting where you want, to drink from a water fountain, to pee in a public restroom, to enter into any hotels, to rent or buy a dwelling that you want, and more, all of which have been fought for by Democrats.

    So yes, it matters.
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    Sep 28, 2016 9:18 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidOf course it matters. Let us assume the country did not elect J. F. Kennedy. Would Nixon agree with the military and shoot nuclear warheads at Cuba? Let us assume that the country did not elect F. D. Roosevelt. Would we cower and took a isolationist stance, as proposed by Trump and Jill Stein, to allow Hitler to dominate the world? And lastly, let us assume that the country did not elect A. Lincoln. Would we now have multiple countries in the North American continent warring with each other and not the United States as dictated by the Constitution which birthed us?

    Lastly, let us assume that we did not elect Obama. Would a Republican President agree with the Republican Congress to not pass the aid package that have enlivened our economy today from the financial hole that the Republicans put us in?


    You're misinformed.

    Kennedy signed a tax cut package that helped the economy similar to what Trump is proposing.

    Who fired the only nuke ever used in war: DEMOCRAT Harry Truman.

    FDR didn't voluntarily join WWII, the US was attacked by Japan in 1941. In 1940, FDR campaigned to stay out of the war. FDR refused to accept Jews fleeing the holocaust and maintained segregation in the US military.

    Obama has already admitted the financial aid package had few shovel ready jobs. Many of the jobs went to China and now bankrupt companies. The economy has only improved due to the zero interest rate/money printing bubble under Obama's puppet, Janet Yellen.

    Bill Clinton started the housing bubble.
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    Sep 28, 2016 9:43 PM GMT
    TheBaise saidDudes / you gotta think about this stuff! Trump will cut our programs and were gonna have to go out and work. That ain't cool / plane an simple! I wanted to retire at 40 an I'm not wanting to have to work again. This could break up our cool / happy home! A vote for HRC gets us more stuff, Dudes! Think!
    Will Trump cut our programs and scale back rights of oppressed minority groups or are you just listening and believing all the ultra leftist propaganda from the corporate mainstream media. FYI, the Wicked Witch of Wall Street, Hillary rotten Clinton isn't going to do jack shit for any of us you brain dead, sycophantic simpleton. She is only seeking the White House to further her own self aggrandizement at the expense of the American people. Wake up and get your head out of your ass for once in your life.
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    Sep 28, 2016 9:49 PM GMT
    Are you all so brain washed by Obama that you think we live in a Monarchy? Neither candidate is going to do anything .... The congress makes the laws in this country and should have impeached Obama when he stated otherwise.
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    Sep 28, 2016 10:01 PM GMT
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    The congress makes the laws in this country and should have impeached Obama GW Bush when he stated otherwise.

    There, corrected for historical accuracy. You certainly must be WAY old enough (and then some) to remember when Bush and his VP Cheney were pushing the concept of a "Unitary Presidency" that had greater powers than Congress.

    And also remember GW Bush's "signing messages" that he affixed to Congressional bills he signed. Saying what provisions of the law he would not execute. That a friendly Republican Congress, for most of his Presidency, did not object to him doing, despite it being blatantly unconstitutional. Effectively wielding a line-veto, that the US Supreme Court has ruled against.

    And you're trying to compare Obama to THAT? Sorry, dearie, but your Rightist slip is showing.
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    Sep 28, 2016 10:35 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidAre you all so brain washed by Obama that you think we live in a Monarchy? Neither candidate is going to do anything .... The congress makes the laws in this country and should have impeached Obama when he stated otherwise.

    Obama's legacy will be creating the Divided States of America, but the delusional Libtards, will want to blame G W Bush for that. While overlooking all the sins of the Clinton's. That women Hilary Rotten, doesn't deserve to go down in history as the first female president.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 28, 2016 11:06 PM GMT
    All these leftist lunatics need to visit YouTube and watch a highly informative and true video titled The Obama Deception: The mask comes off. This well done hour and a half long video will expose all the dark truths about Obama and his strong links to Wall Street and the Federal Reserve and how the worlds most powerful bankers are pushing for a one world dictatorship like government. These liberals and democrats might learn the truth about their beloved President and their precious Democratic Party although the republicans also have their hands in this as well.
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    Sep 29, 2016 12:21 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidOf course it matters. Let us assume the country did not elect J. F. Kennedy. Would Nixon agree with the military and shoot nuclear warheads at Cuba? Let us assume that the country did not elect F. D. Roosevelt. Would we cower and took a isolationist stance, as proposed by Trump and Jill Stein, to allow Hitler to dominate the world? And lastly, let us assume that the country did not elect A. Lincoln. Would we now have multiple countries in the North American continent warring with each other and not the United States as dictated by the Constitution which birthed us?

    Lastly, let us assume that we did not elect Obama. Would a Republican President agree with the Republican Congress to not pass the aid package that have enlivened our economy today from the financial hole that the Republicans put us in?


    Well I doubt Nixon would of engaged in nuclear warfare so close to home but you never know. Would of he of proposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act? Probably not, but now black families are in the age of mass incarceration thanks to Nixon's new Jim Crow laws he was able to get away with regardless. As for Roosevelt, more than 100,000 Japanese Americans were relocated and imprisoned during World War II for the crime of being Asian, did you forget?

    Voting at the federal level is a complete sham in 2016.
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    Sep 29, 2016 12:38 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidOf course it matters. Let us assume the country did not elect J. F. Kennedy. Would Nixon agree with the military and shoot nuclear warheads at Cuba? Let us assume that the country did not elect F. D. Roosevelt. Would we cower and took a isolationist stance, as proposed by Trump and Jill Stein, to allow Hitler to dominate the world? And lastly, let us assume that the country did not elect A. Lincoln. Would we now have multiple countries in the North American continent warring with each other and not the United States as dictated by the Constitution which birthed us?

    Lastly, let us assume that we did not elect Obama. Would a Republican President agree with the Republican Congress to not pass the aid package that have enlivened our economy today from the financial hole that the Republicans put us in?


    No. Obama's aid package gave us a hugely growing national debt......corrupt deals like Solindra ....Obama added $9,000,000,000,000 debt, more than all US presidents combined. He's been a financial disaster.

    Obama also gave us ISIS.....rising crime rates......bigger trade deficits.....worsening race relations....offshoring high paying manufacturing and tech jobs, to name a few. His latest disaster is vetoing the 9/11 bill.....which was overridden by almost unamimously. Hillary will basically be Obama II.