Humans Cannot Live Beyond 115 Years

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    Oct 05, 2016 9:29 PM GMT
    NYT: A study suggests that humans “will never get older than 115.” It’s the latest volley in a long-running debate among scientists about whether there’s a natural barrier to the human life span.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/06/science/maximum-life-span-study.html
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    Oct 05, 2016 9:44 PM GMT
    Jeanne Calment ?
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    Oct 05, 2016 9:58 PM GMT
    During my husband's routine medical examinations, our shared primary care provider, with me sitting there as we both do with each other's medical visits of all kinds, has said:

    "With lab results like these, you're gonna live to be 120!"

    And I say: "Ah, doctor, he's gonna live to be 120? Can I have a second opinion?"

    And I promptly get a ***SMACK***. We all laugh. Our primary doctor is gay, too.

    All I can say is:"Long live the queen!" And I hope he feels the same about me. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 05, 2016 10:21 PM GMT
    We actually do discuss our potential futures, in terms of longevity. We gotta plan. Based on family genetics he's gotta better chance at long life than I do. If I look at my family, I should be dead already, or real close.

    Whereas he may have 100 years in him. Despite a lot of medical hurdles recently, he's passed them so well his doctors are astonished. They've told me so themselves, this guy one for the medical casebooks, incredible recovery power. If anyone's gonna make 100 and beyond it's him.

    Versus myself. And I know that, every day I have now is a bonus. But that's mostly OK. I've done so much, seen so much, been to so many places, it's not like I'm being shortchanged.

    I only worry about him. And how he'll get on without me. I do so much for him, if I can say that. He's smart enough on his own, actually very smart, but regarding a lot of modern skills he's kinda clueless.

    People tend to be specialized that way. And the skills you need today are not the same as those you needed in the 1930s. I'm still trying to figure out how I provide for him after I'm gone, other than simply money. He also needs a companion who can handle a lot of mundane, but 21st-Century tasks. This really worries me.
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    Oct 06, 2016 2:59 PM GMT
    I was adopted and have no idea of what my genetics say about longevity. My wife was into meditation and holistic living since she was 18 but always had GI tract issues. Her GI health completely crashed in 2013, and she was diagnosed with very advanced metastatic breast cancer in Nov 2015. I was a full-time caregiver for two and a half years until her death in May, at age 54. Me? I ditched the meditation and new age diet bullshit ages ago, and I'm the one who's still alive and in good health. Go figure...
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    Oct 06, 2016 3:57 PM GMT
    Condolences Paradox. I don't recall you ever before having mentioned.

    To the thread. I've got a mix of longevity and tragedy to my genes. Many relatives live into their 80s/90s in very good health & on both mom's & dad's side. Many of mom's relatives lived into their 90s, staying productive for most of their lives. My father smoked for most of his life though stopped in his 60s. He's in his high 80s now and still going strong. His cousins are in their high 80s, low 90s, still working. But of all my great grandparents, I've got one line with Alzheimer's which has so far hit one person in every generation. So I could be dead in 10 years (by my own hand--I ain't goin' through that shit) or I could see 100 plus. Makes it tough to plan.
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    Oct 06, 2016 9:20 PM GMT
    One was of Obamacare's Liberal Democrat Architects says people are useless and a burden by 75 and should die:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/10/why-i-hope-to-die-at-75/379329/
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    Oct 06, 2016 10:04 PM GMT
    paradox saidI was adopted and have no idea of what my genetics say about longevity. My wife was into meditation and holistic living since she was 18 but always had GI tract issues. Her GI health completely crashed in 2013, and she was diagnosed with very advanced metastatic breast cancer in Nov 2015. I was a full-time caregiver for two and a half years until her death in May, at age 54. Me? I ditched the meditation and new age diet bullshit ages ago, and I'm the one who's still alive and in good health. Go figure...


    I'm very sorry for your loss. That must have been difficult. I can't even fathom. But please don't be so bitter or close-minded to what many health professionals would consider as adjunct therapies and approaches to living a balanced and well rounded life. Who knows? Had your wife not done what she believed to be healthy for her she might have had her struggles much sooner.
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    Oct 06, 2016 10:11 PM GMT
    mx5guynj saidOne was of Obamacare's Liberal Democrat Architects says people are useless and a burden by 75 and should die:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/10/why-i-hope-to-die-at-75/379329/


    That was a twisted read. His writing style kinda gave me the impression that he has some mild form of mental illness; or at the very least he's annoyingly eccentric.
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    Oct 06, 2016 11:42 PM GMT
    ANTiSociaLiNJUSTICeWarior said
    paradox saidI was adopted and have no idea of what my genetics say about longevity. My wife was into meditation and holistic living since she was 18 but always had GI tract issues. Her GI health completely crashed in 2013, and she was diagnosed with very advanced metastatic breast cancer in Nov 2015. I was a full-time caregiver for two and a half years until her death in May, at age 54. Me? I ditched the meditation and new age diet bullshit ages ago, and I'm the one who's still alive and in good health. Go figure...


    I'm very sorry for your loss. That must have been difficult. I can't even fathom. But please don't be so bitter or close-minded to what many health professionals would consider as adjunct therapies and approaches to living a balanced and well rounded life. Who knows? Had your wife not done what she believed to be healthy for her she might have had her struggles much sooner.


    She actually did her due diligence and went to see doctors, none of whom could diagnose her problem, which was most likely one of those difficult to treat IBS spectrum illnesses. Unfortunately, she glommed on to the idea that illness just requires enough cleansing, and she did a radical Ayurvedic salt water cleanse that wiped out her intestinal flora. Her health crashed after that. A year and a half later, she enjoyed a few months of improved health, during which she was able to drive to town and eat out. But, her health started failing again, and that's when the cancer was finally diagnosed. There is no cancer at all in her family, and we speculated that the stupid cleanse wiped out her immune system, allowing cancer to take hold in a body that was otherwise not prone to cancer. While I do find value in some alternative medicine, that cleanse destroyed her life.
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    Oct 07, 2016 12:11 AM GMT
    paradox said
    She actually did her due diligence and went to see doctors, none of whom could diagnose her problem, which was most likely one of those difficult to treat IBS spectrum illnesses. Unfortunately, she glommed on to the idea that illness just requires enough cleansing, and she did a radical Ayurvedic salt water cleanse that wiped out her intestinal flora. Her health crashed after that. A year and a half later, she enjoyed a few months of improved health, during which she was able to drive to town and eat out. But, her health started failing again, and that's when the cancer was finally diagnosed. There is no cancer at all in her family, and we speculated that the stupid cleanse wiped out her immune system, allowing cancer to take hold in a body that was otherwise not prone to cancer. While I do find value in some alternative medicine, that cleanse destroyed her life.


    Hym. Well, if cleanses had the potential to be responsible for cancers then I think medical professionals would be mentioning this risk. I just did a Google search for an Ayurvedic salt water cleanse and it looks like the worse that can happen is experiencing an electrolyte imbalance, diarrhea and vomiting. I don't practice nor do I necessarily agree with Ayurvedic therapies but they've been around for eons. If just a handful of people got cancer over the 5,000 years it's been in practice I think we would be aware of this risks.

    If I understand correctly, she started these cleanses because she was feeling ill and doctors couldn't diagnose her problem. What else was she to do? It sounds like the problem was brewing long before she was diagnosed.
  • Dynamo_spark

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    Oct 07, 2016 8:32 AM GMT
    In the book of Genesis 6:3, even God said because of man's sinfulness. The lifespan would be reduced to 120 years. I can't imagine getting that old anyway
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    Oct 07, 2016 9:22 AM GMT
    I love life. And I intend to fight for every day I can have.

    When life becomes too much of a burden, that outweighs the joys of living, should that happen, I'll reconsider. Otherwise I'll fight right down to the wire. My husband feels the same way, and I'll do what I can to help him make that happen.

    "Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night"
    By Dylan Thomas

    Do not go gentle into that good night,
    Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
    Because their words had forked no lightning they
    Do not go gentle into that good night.

    Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
    Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
    And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
    Do not go gentle into that good night.

    Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
    Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

    And you, my father, there on the sad height,
    Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.