Why should being gay, transgender or black receive more consideration?

• neofio
  
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  Oct 09, 2016 9:01 PM GMT

  I've noticed that people who will talk about how awful and bigoted it is to insult sexuality, gender or race are some of the same people that have no problem with say, insulting appearances. The whole idea of being against bigotry of gays is that they can't help being gay, and has nothing to do with how they are as people anyway. But then the same applies to looks too, you don't choose how you look. It's bigoted to insult skin color too, but not whether or not you think someone's ugly. Why does it have to be bigotry to insult someone's sexuality as long as they aren't actively discriminating against them? I've even noticed it's a bit more acceptable to use things like Down syndrome or autism as insults than faggot, gay or nigger.

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• neofio
  
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  Oct 09, 2016 9:06 PM GMT

  Ekho saidbecause that's how the world works

  
  
  Nah, anti gay people can use that excuse to harm gay people too. Obviously LGBT people wouldn't stand for that. So it goes both ways.

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  Oct 09, 2016 9:10 PM GMT

  ^ i have a question, how come you are just some troll with fake picture and account spamming RJ?

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• charlitos666
  
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  Oct 09, 2016 9:11 PM GMT

  oppression

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• neofio
  
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  Oct 09, 2016 9:41 PM GMT

  Ekho saidU can be upset all u want about the way the world works but it won't stop working the way it does because u stoped to complain about the way it spins

  
  
  Well in that case, you have no right to complain about anything because that's "the way it spins". I'm sure you are very vocal about things that bother you when it suits you though.

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• neofio
  
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  Oct 09, 2016 9:44 PM GMT

  Bonaparts said^ i have a question, how come you are just some troll with fake picture and account spamming RJ?

  
  
  Do you mean me? This is my pic and I'm not a troll, just in case.

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• nice_chap
  
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  Oct 09, 2016 10:30 PM GMT

  I think most of the time when someone comments on a person's looks it's a joke or a crude observation. Some people have a dark sense of humor and might look at someone and say "wow, I'm glad I don't look like that" or "that person's never gonna get laid" but it doesn't mean they openly discriminate against the person they are talking about. In fact, they might even defend the "ugly" person if somebody directly insults them. That's kind of where the difference is. There are bigoted people out there who make gay jokes and will openly insult gays and talk about why they think homosexuality is wrong. Then there are people who are not homophobic but might still make gay jokes. I make sexist jokes sometimes but I will defend a female colleague if someone insults her.
  
  As for insulting people with disabilites or using words like "retard" as an insult, that is something I am definitely against. I used to volunteer for a charity that provides support for disabled people, and I still do interact with a lot of disabled people on a regular basis, and being that closely involved with the subject has had a dramatic impact on how I feel about those issues.

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• neofio
  
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  Oct 09, 2016 10:36 PM GMT

  nice_chap saidI think most of the time when someone comments on a person's looks it's a joke or a crude observation. Some people have a dark sense of humor and might look at someone and say "wow, I'm glad I don't look like that" or "that person's never gonna get laid" but it doesn't mean they openly discriminate against the person they are talking about. In fact, they might even defend the "ugly" person if somebody directly insults them. That's kind of where the difference is. There are bigoted people out there who make gay jokes and will openly insult gays and talk about why they think homosexuality is wrong. Then there are people who are not homophobic but might still make gay jokes. I make sexist jokes sometimes but I will defend a female colleague if someone insults her.
  
  As for insulting people with disabilites or using words like "retard" as an insult, that is something I am definitely against. I used to volunteer for a charity that provides support for disabled people, and I still do interact with a lot of disabled people on a regular basis, and being that closely involved with the subject has had a dramatic impact on how I feel about those issues.

  
  
  I'm not saying you can't judge looks, but I was just saying that I don't think there should be a difference between say, being grossed out by kissing an ugly person compared to a straight guy not wanting to kiss another guy, which is often called "homophobic". People can be nasty about gay people without actively being against their rights, just as you can be nasty about other things people can't help. Even I find it kind of irksome when you get trans women who still sound like guys.

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• nice_chap
  
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  Oct 10, 2016 1:53 PM GMT

  neofio said
  
  I'm not saying you can't judge looks, but I was just saying that I don't think there should be a difference between say, being grossed out by kissing an ugly person compared to a straight guy not wanting to kiss another guy, which is often called "homophobic". People can be nasty about gay people without actively being against their rights, just as you can be nasty about other things people can't help. Even I find it kind of irksome when you get trans women who still sound like guys.

  
  
  The real difference is that one is a fact, the other an opinion. I'm a gay man, that's a fact. It's not an opinion. I'm a man who likes other men and does not want any female partners. I'm a white man. That's a fact as well. The colour of my skin is not something that can be argued against. But whether I'm attractive or not is something that can be argued for or against. Some people think I'm handsome, some people think I'm average, some people think I'm ugly. A person you find hideous might look gorgeous to me. You can't really categorize people into ugly and pretty. Well, you can, but that's a matter of personal taste.

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  Oct 11, 2016 5:13 AM GMT

  I don't understand this obsession with policing everyday speech. People are getting serious about judging others by their words instead of judging them by their actions.
  
  I've seen so many real nice people being labeled as 'sexist/racist/homophobe/etc.' just for being caught using politically incorrect vocabulary. It is a shame.

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• nice_chap
  
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  Oct 11, 2016 10:59 AM GMT

  And I've worded it all wrong.
  
  Basically, it is considered more offensive to make homophobic or racist remarks than it is to insult a person's looks because if you call someone ugly you are only insulting that individual. Criticising a person's appearance is only likely to offend that person and the people who care about him or her.
  
  But mocking a gay person about their sexuality - that is offensive to all homosexuals. It implies that same sex relationships are wrong and disgusting. a racist white person insulting a black person about their skin colour implies that white people are superior to black people. It is offending people on a large scale, whereas insulting a person about his or her looks is not affecting as many people.
  
  I'm not saying that one actually is worse than the other, I'm just explaining why it might seem that way.
  Hopefully that answers the OP's question.

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• neofio
  
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  Oct 24, 2016 2:12 PM GMT

  nice_chap saidAnd I've worded it all wrong.
  
  Basically, it is considered more offensive to make homophobic or racist remarks than it is to insult a person's looks because if you call someone ugly you are only insulting that individual. Criticising a person's appearance is only likely to offend that person and the people who care about him or her.
  
  But mocking a gay person about their sexuality - that is offensive to all homosexuals. It implies that same sex relationships are wrong and disgusting. a racist white person insulting a black person about their skin colour implies that white people are superior to black people. It is offending people on a large scale, whereas insulting a person about his or her looks is not affecting as many people.
  
  I'm not saying that one actually is worse than the other, I'm just explaining why it might seem that way.
  Hopefully that answers the OP's question.

  
  
  But I don't think ugliness is an opinion. I don't think Quasi Modo could ever be considered beautiful do you? There's definitely some majority views in the world. So if you insult someone because say, they have a deformity, then you would be, by default, insulting all people that have a deformity. Or insulting penis size, which is by default insulting anyone with a smaller penis. I'd say size matters, but I just find it odd that it's kind of okay to make fun of it, but then it's a huge issue to make fun of other things.

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• rvmj_05
  
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  Nov 12, 2016 11:57 AM GMT

  there must not be ' more consideration ' it has to be equal in both ways, you're making us look pathetic

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