You can't support animal welfare if you eat meat.

  • neofio

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    Oct 09, 2016 10:28 PM GMT
    It's inevitable that whenever the subject of animal welfare comes up, meat eating will be part of the conversation. Meat eaters who aren't animal friendly say this too. It's meat eaters who think killing animals is "different" if you eat them rather than killing for fur or sport icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 10, 2016 1:31 PM GMT
    A majority of animal rights activists I see protesting are wearing leather shoes or shoes glued together with horse glue. Gelatin, a form of animal glue, is found in many contemporary products, such as gelatin desserts, marshmallows, and pharmaceutical capsules.
  • tazzari

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    Oct 10, 2016 3:39 PM GMT
    I'm a meat eater (in moderation). Should I give up supporting rescue home for animals, then?
  • transient

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    Oct 10, 2016 3:51 PM GMT
    I don't eat meat, but I breed organic goats who have a very privileged and spoiled free range life.

    I have no problem butchering them when required and selling the best quality meat possible.

    I am totaly not conflicted on this.

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    Oct 10, 2016 6:54 PM GMT
    Animal rights guys think that food comes from a supermarket and they can take a higher moral ground through their purchases. I challenge them to try to subsist on their lofty thoughts for a week.



    transient saidI don't






    eat meat, but I breed organic goats who have a very privileged and spoiled free range life.

    I have no problem butchering them when required and selling the best quality meat possible.

    I am totaly not conflicted on this.
  • jlars12

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    Oct 10, 2016 7:18 PM GMT
    I rather pay more for milk and meat coming from farms where they don't double fist the cows to inseminate them at a "rape station", force feed them through holes cut into the side of their bodies, or mutilate them or stick them in a cage too small to move in for years on end. I think the only leather in clothing should come from animals harvested for meat. I don't like waste, and I believe that a healthy diet does not necessitate animal cruelty. I'm just one guy with a full time job and no control over what get stocked at the supermarket, but there are others who dedicate their lives to exposing cruelty and pushing for better practices. What's the point of undermining those efforts? Is that opinion not an option for some of you all-or-nothing types?
  • bro4bro

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    Oct 11, 2016 3:39 AM GMT
    Creatine occurs naturally in meat.

    Studies have indicated that vegetarians who take a creatine supplement score measurably higher on intelligence and memory tests than vegetarians who do not take a creatine supplement.

    So, if you don't eat meat...
    and you don't take creatine...
    maybe you shouldn't be making important nutritional decisions and value judgments, seeing as you're operating at a diminished mental capacity.
  • ANTiSociaLiNJ...

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    Oct 11, 2016 3:59 AM GMT
    bro4bro saidCreatine occurs naturally in meat.

    Studies have indicated that vegetarians who take a creatine supplement score measurably higher on intelligence and memory tests than vegetarians who do not take a creatine supplement.

    So, if you don't eat meat...
    and you don't take creatine...
    maybe you shouldn't be making important nutritional decisions and value judgments, seeing as you're operating at a diminished mental capacity.


    What was the point of all that above? Do you feel offended by what the OP said because you eat meat and therefore felt compelled to attack him?

  • Oct 11, 2016 4:43 AM GMT
    jlars12 saidI rather pay more for milk and meat coming from farms where they don't double fist the cows to inseminate them at a "rape station", force feed them through holes cut into the side of their bodies, or mutilate them or stick them in a cage too small to move in for years on end. I think the only leather in clothing should come from animals harvested for meat. I don't like waste, and I believe that a healthy diet does not necessitate animal cruelty. I'm just one guy with a full time job and no control over what get stocked at the supermarket, but there are others who dedicate their lives to exposing cruelty and pushing for better practices. What's the point of undermining those efforts? Is that opinion not an option for some of you all-or-nothing types?


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    Oct 11, 2016 5:57 AM GMT
    Well I just stick to wild caught seafood. It's just an all around better choice than conventionally raised meat or poultry (or farmed seafood), for eco reasons as well as health related ones. The rise of veganism is great and all, both for humanity and the environment but at the end of the day there's plenty of fish in the sea so I spare the land animals. Sorry, fish.
  • metta

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    Oct 11, 2016 6:11 AM GMT
    I don't believe in pressuring people to become vegetarians. It is a personal decision and each individual needs to determine what is right for them.

    Here is a pretty good documentary:


    I became a vegetarian in 1990 after reading Diet For A New America

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    Oct 11, 2016 6:20 AM GMT
    I can support whatever I want
  • badbug

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    Oct 11, 2016 8:00 AM GMT
    Fuck Animals. They're mean and some of them bite.

    That's how i feel about fags too. icon_twisted.gif


    Actually though, it's a complex issue. If animals are raised right, the fact we eat them leads to their existence. So stopping meat eating of every kind means many animals won't ever exist. This would of course be devastating for meat eating animals like dogs and cats and other pets.

    So the real issue is cruelty. Minimizing the suffering of the animals, making sure they have a net positive life.

    Same goes for the glue and leather and all that shit. A problem with this will of course be cost, and will of course be the governments ability to regulate so people can't cheat and other countries can't flood ethical markets with un-ethical products.

  • JackNNJ

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    Oct 11, 2016 1:13 PM GMT
    It's not heaven, but an incredible simulation.

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  • JackNNJ

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    Oct 11, 2016 1:19 PM GMT
    badbug said Fuck Animals. They're mean and some of them bite.

    That's how i feel about fags too. icon_twisted.gif


    Actually though, it's a complex issue. If animals are raised right, the fact we eat them leads to their existence. So stopping meat eating of every kind means many animals won't ever exist. This would of course be devastating for meat eating animals like dogs and cats and other pets.

    So the real issue is cruelty. Minimizing the suffering of the animals, making sure they have a net positive life.

    Same goes for the glue and leather and all that shit. A problem with this will of course be cost, and will of course be the governments ability to regulate so people can't cheat and other countries can't flood ethical markets with un-ethical products.



    LMAO @ "complex." STFU.
  • Eleven

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    Oct 11, 2016 4:35 PM GMT
    I think you can benefit from animal products and be an animal rights activist. What it boils down to is their quality of life.
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    Oct 13, 2016 1:42 PM GMT
    seems a difficult task keeping humans from killing each other. Likely animal welfare will have to wait a bit.
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  • neofio

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    Oct 24, 2016 2:56 PM GMT
    jlars12 saidI rather pay more for milk and meat coming from farms where they don't double fist the cows to inseminate them at a "rape station", force feed them through holes cut into the side of their bodies, or mutilate them or stick them in a cage too small to move in for years on end. I think the only leather in clothing should come from animals harvested for meat. I don't like waste, and I believe that a healthy diet does not necessitate animal cruelty. I'm just one guy with a full time job and no control over what get stocked at the supermarket, but there are others who dedicate their lives to exposing cruelty and pushing for better practices. What's the point of undermining those efforts? Is that opinion not an option for some of you all-or-nothing types?


    I'm not trying to undermine or dismiss efforts to reduce suffering of animals. Anything is better than nothing. What I'm saying is that the term "animal welfare" supposedly denotes what is best for the animal, and being killed isn't generally to anyone's benefit. Some people suggest that criminals on death row should be executed in quick, "humane" ways, but this doesn't stop human rights supporters like Amnesty from remaining vehemently against capital punishment, because they consider killing wrong. It's not just about pain, it's the killing itself too. I just don't see why that way of thinking needs to suddenly be turned off regarding non human animals.