Expect More October Surprises--with the Coup de Grâce Happening Just a Few Days Before Nov. 8

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    Oct 10, 2016 1:59 PM GMT
    Last night Trump more than likely encouraged his alt-right base by attacking Clinton like a trapped, mentally ill feral dog. That's good for him because it will temporarily halt the wholesale exodus of his Republican supporters. Beyond that, he didn't accomplish anything politically significant. In fact, he gave Clinton more ammunition. I don't need to list those things individually, but here's a sampling: Syria/Aleppo, Putin, tax returns, pussy grabbing, Muslim ban, banana republic, and much, much more.

    When Cooper asked him if he had ever kissed or grabbed a woman without her consent before, Trump said he never did. Remember that answer. I repeat, remember that answer. I have a distinct feeling that this is not the end of that conversation. It's not a prediction, it's a feeling.

    Finally, some people think that Clinton should have attacked Trump more. What would have been the incremental benefit? None. Clinton had 4 goals: (1) let Trump self-destruct, (2) appear presidential, (3) talk to the people who haven't made up their minds, and (4) ensure that Trump remains the presidential nominee. She met each and every one of these goals.

    The first three goals are self-explanatory. As to the fourth goal, some Clinton supporters were concerned that, given Trump's recent "escapades," there'd be an increasing call among the Republican elites to dump Trump. Well, frankly that would pose problems for the Clinton campaign. Imagine if someone were to take Trump's place: Clinton's campaign would have to start from scratch with opposition research, political ads, etc. That would be very costly and, frankly, risky. It's like changing horses in midstream. Why get rid of a gift that keeps on giving, like Trump? Why bet on a potential loser when you have a sure loser, like Trump? What Clinton did very smartly and strategically was to give Trump enough rope to hang himself, while ensuring that the Republicans (like Paul Ryan) remain in an untenable and uncomfortable political position. This is the genius of it all: fanning the flames of discourse, uncertainty and conflict among the Republicans, with very little effort on Clinton's part.

    Trump's and the Republican Party's suffering isn't over--Hillary just extended it. In the days to come, I have a feeling that there will be more embarrassing revelations. I believe that these series of revelations will culminate in a coup de grâce that will decimate any little chance of a Trump presidency.
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    Oct 10, 2016 2:22 PM GMT
    No doubt The Clinton machine has more incriminating Trump stuff up their sleeve. Will it resonate and bring him down? Time will tell.
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    Oct 10, 2016 2:43 PM GMT
    Wikileaks may well have some additional surprises for Hillary.

    Trump is demonstrating he is even more teflon than the Clintons. Except for the fervent Hillary supporters people aren't talking about the taxes. Trump supporters and undecideds don't care.

    Now the tape has been similarly been pushed aside.

    Trump said people's lives have been destroyed for doing one fifth of what Hillary has done. In commenting that he would have the AG appoint a Special Prosecutor, a CNN commentator referred that to being Hilteresque or Stalinesque - holding her accountable like the rest of us. Shows how desperate they are.

    The mainstream media, the establishment political classes, and government have such a bad reputation that the more they throw at Trump the more teflon he becomes. And that drives them crazy.
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    Oct 10, 2016 3:07 PM GMT
    We won't need to wait for a last-minute surprise to decide us. We're voting for Hillary as soon as early Florida voting opens. I think in the future we may do like our neighbor, and request an absentee ballot, that has to go out early. She's already got hers.

    Because our Republican Governor, like many others, keeps restricting early in-person voting opportunities. In the hope it'll negatively impact mainly a Democratic voter demographic the most.

    But we always vote early in person. I've got a whole collection of "I Voted Early" stickers our County Supervisor of Elections gives out.

    Plus I'm already donating to the Hillary campaign. Not a great deal, I'm not wealthy. But I do follow the old adage to "Put your money where your mouth is". I also give money to local candidates I support, or friends we know & support but running in a nearby district and so they don't even appear on our local ballot. What neighboring towns do can affect us greatly, especially Fort Lauderdale.
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    Oct 10, 2016 3:09 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    No doubt The Clinton machine has more incriminating Trump stuff up their sleeve. Will it resonate and bring him down? Time will tell.

    BRING him down? Trump is ALREADY down. Ah, reality-check for you Republican deniers.
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    Oct 10, 2016 3:28 PM GMT
    Oh, how fucking funny. I see you found my fish story lolol. I was about to reference it and link it here http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4249804 on reading your OP when I couldn't find it down below figuring it might have sunk to bottom but sure enough you'd spotted it and already posted it up. But I'll tell you that at least one of the alt-R(eality) morons did spot it right away because which ever one was on duty macro'd that one over 1000 before I could do a second post to it that I was thinking of. Seeing how fast they'd stalked me, not unlike their lurking debate hero (what the fuck was up with that!?!) and rapid clicked as quick as they beat off to their own defeat, that just tickled me to laughter and I let it be, understood or not.

    I do believe in the importance of communicating to everyone at their level of understanding but ya can only dumb yerself down for so long before you have to throw them something to reach for. In their thinking, I see they get under some weights that are too heavy for them, so I don't mind lightening their load or spotting them if I see them in danger. But also they need to sometimes incorporate a good stretch.

    So, yeah, I saw what Hillary was up to as she was playin' that. She's going to make for an excellent president.

    I think you are right about what some of that concern was, but I don't see how they could have accomplished that without blowing up their party. And the other part of that is even if they could have held it together while switching out the top of their ticket, then they'd still have to answer the impossible, that they allowed it in the first place. Because regardless of what they do, of what's the outcome, that's not going away.
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    Oct 10, 2016 5:03 PM GMT
    ^^^When you see uncontrollable hysterics from the alt-right Trump supporters, you know that Hillary accomplished what she set out to do. You know what wild animals do when they're trapped and unable to get out of the leghold traps? They flail, thrash and howl. That's what we're seeing post-debate.
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    Oct 11, 2016 4:05 PM GMT
    ^^^^^^ Haven't you read that Trump continues to claim that ALL polls show that he crushed Hillary in their second debate? Therefore that's what his followers believe. And watch for Trump's assent into Heaven soon, I think he's also predicted that. Right after he wins the Nobel Prize for "World's Most Brilliant Person Who Ever Lived".

    And I say "followers" rather than "supporters" now. A supporter is what a politician has, based on political issues & rationale. A follower is what a cult figure has, based on emotional and often illogical & irrational reasons. Like the followers of a Jim Jones at Jonestown. Enjoy your Kool-Aid, Trump followers! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 15, 2016 2:26 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    BRING him down? Trump is ALREADY down. Ah, reality-check for you Republican deniers.



    Down by no means should be interpreted as out. Big difference. 3 weeks is an eternity in political years
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    Oct 15, 2016 8:50 PM GMT
    the election is over.
    the former republican candidate is burning up other people's money.