NBC Exclusive: CIA Prepping for Possible Cyber Strike Against Russia

  • Unnamed6

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    Oct 15, 2016 2:34 AM GMT
    CIA Prepping for Possible Cyber Strike Against Russia
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cia-prepping-possible-cyber-strike-against-russia-n666636
    by WILLIAM M. ARKIN, KEN DILANIAN and ROBERT WINDREM

    EXCLUSIVE NEWS
    OCT 14 2016, 8:30 PM ET



    The Obama administration is contemplating an unprecedented cyber covert action against Russia in retaliation for alleged Russian interference in the American presidential election, U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.

    Current and former officials with direct knowledge of the situation say the CIA has been asked to deliver options to the White House for a wide-ranging "clandestine" cyber operation designed to harass and "embarrass" the Kremlin leadership.

    The sources did not elaborate on the exact measures the CIA was considering, but said the agency had already begun opening cyber doors, selecting targets and making other preparations for an operation. Former intelligence officers told NBC News that the agency had gathered reams of documents that could expose unsavory tactics by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    Vice President Joe Biden told "Meet the Press" moderator Chuck Todd on Friday that "we're sending a message" to Putin and that "it will be at the time of our choosing, and under the circumstances that will have the greatest impact."

    When asked if the American public will know a message was sent, the vice president replied, "Hope not."

    Retired Admiral James Stavridis told NBC News' Cynthia McFadden that the U.S. should attack Russia's ability to censor its internal internet traffic and expose the financial dealings of Putin and his associates.

    "It's well known that there's great deal of offshore money moved outside of Russia from oligarchs," he said. "It would be very embarrassing if that was revealed, and that would be a proportional response to what we've seen" in Russia's alleged hacks and leaks targeting U.S. public opinion.

    Sean Kanuck, who was until this spring the senior U.S. intelligence official responsible for analyzing Russian cyber capabilities, said not mounting a response would carry a cost.



    "If you publicly accuse someone," he said, "and don't follow it up with a responsive action, that may weaken the credible threat of your response capability."

    President Obama will ultimately have to decide whether he will authorize a CIA operation. Officials told NBC News that for now there are divisions at the top of the administration about whether to proceed.

    Two former CIA officers who worked on Russia told NBC News that there is a long history of the White House asking the CIA to come up with options for covert action against Russia, including cyber options — only to abandon the idea.

    "We've always hesitated to use a lot of stuff we've had, but that's a political decision," one former officer said. "If someone has decided, `We've had enough of the Russians,' there is a lot we can do. Step one is to remind them that two can play at this game and we have a lot of stuff. Step two, if you are looking to mess with their networks, we can do that, but then the issue becomes, they can do worse things to us in other places."

    A second former officer, who helped run intelligence operations against Russia, said he was asked several times in recent years to work on covert action plans, but "none of the options were particularly good, nor did we think that any of them would be particularly effective," he said.



    Putin is almost beyond embarrassing, he said, and anything the U.S. can do against, for example, Russian bank accounts, the Russian can do in response.

    "Do you want to have Barack Obama bouncing checks?" he asked.

    Former CIA deputy director Michael Morell expressed skepticism that the U.S. would go so far as to attack Russian networks.

    "Physical attacks on networks is not something the U.S. wants to do because we don't want to set a precedent for other countries to do it as well, including against us," he said. "My own view is that our response shouldn't be covert -- it should overt, for everybody to see."

    The Obama administration is debating just that question, officials say — whether to respond to Russia via cyber means, or with traditional measures such as sanctions.

    The CIA's cyber operation is being prepared by a team within the CIA's Center for Cyber Intelligence, documents indicate. According to officials, the team has a staff of hundreds and a budget in the hundreds of millions, they say.

    The covert action plan is designed to protect the U.S. election system and insure that Russian hackers can't interfere with the November vote, officials say. Another goal is to send a message to Russia that it has crossed a line, officials say.

    While the National Security Agency is the center for American digital spying, the CIA is the lead agency for covert action and has its own cyber capabilities. It sometimes brings in the NSA and the Pentagon to help, officials say.



    In earlier days, the CIA was behind efforts to use the internet to put pressure on Slobodan Milosevic in Serbia in 1999, and to pressure Iraqi leadership in 2003 to split off from Saddam Hussein.

    According to documents leaked by Edward Snowden, the CIA requested $685.4 million for computer network operations in 2013, compared to $1 billion by the NSA.

    Retired Gen. Mike Hayden, who ran the CIA after leading the NSA, wrote this year: "We even had our own cyber force, the Information Operations Center (IOC), that former CIA director George Tenet launched and which had grown steadily under the next spy chief, Porter Goss, and me. The CIA didn't try to replicate or try to compete with NSA… the IOC was a lot like Marine Corps aviation while NSA was an awful lot like America's Air Force."

    "I would quote a Russian proverb," said Adm. Stavridis, "which is, 'Probe with bayonets. When you hit mush, proceed. When you hit steel withdraw.' I think unless we stand up to this kind of cyber attack from Russia, we'll only see more and more of it in the future."
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    Oct 15, 2016 2:38 AM GMT
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    Oct 15, 2016 2:55 AM GMT
    WestCoastJock said"The Obama administration is contemplating an unprecedented cyber covert action against Russia in retaliation for alleged Russian interference in the American presidential election, U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News."

    Well it's a good thing this was only published in the USA, otherwise Russia would know of this planned "covert" action!


    Yeah thought so myself...but it officially marks Cold War 2.0 and the Obama Administration officially acknowledging the Russian threat and a willingness to deal with it.
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    Oct 15, 2016 3:03 AM GMT
    Oops, I thought I put this in the news forum. But All Things Gay is good enough I guess.
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    Oct 15, 2016 3:25 AM GMT
    It's all working out perfectly!!
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    Oct 15, 2016 11:37 AM GMT
    WestCoastJock said"The Obama administration is contemplating an unprecedented cyber covert action against Russia in retaliation for alleged Russian interference in the American presidential election, U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News."

    Well it's a good thing this was only published in the USA, otherwise Russia would know of this planned "covert" action!


    You might have known Southbeach would use the same simple-minded reasoning as his hero Trump. During the last debate Trump was bemoaning the fact that US commanders have publicized the impending attack on the ISIS stronghold of Mosul. Leaving aside that so much formerly ISIS-controlled territory has now been recaptured and that Mosul is the last major ISIS stronghold, the truth is, total surprise is rare in military operations - the unexpected hammer blow that comes from out of the blue. Pearl Harbor and the Battle of the Bulge are rare examples.

    More often, surprise is operational or tactical rather than strategic. The Germans knew full well that D-Day was coming. The problem is that they did not know exactly where or when. Elaborate operations were conducted to try to fool the Germans into thinking not just that the attack would be elsewhere, rather than in Normandy, but also that once it was under way, that the main thrust would be elsewhere.

    And so it is with a cyber attack on Russia. Let the bastards know it's coming, but keep them guessing as to exactly when and where it will happen. Putin has had this coming for a long time and, given the technological superiority of the US, I have no doubt he will be made to regret his cyber-meddling or, at least, have second thoughts about repeating it.
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    Oct 15, 2016 1:16 PM GMT
    It's no surprise since Liberals only care about themselves. If the RNC e-mail server had been struck, Obama wouldn't do anything. Obama didn't do anything when Yahoo's servers were struck in 2014.
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    Oct 15, 2016 1:45 PM GMT
    Hillary was flying all over the world with an unsecured server anyone could have hacked her accounts. Yet again incompetence in the Odumbo administration! They better be damn sure before they go fucking with Putin he'd squash Odumbo like a gnat!
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    Oct 15, 2016 4:57 PM GMT
    dreamcock saidHillary was flying all over the world with an unsecured server anyone could have hacked her accounts. Yet again incompetence in the Odumbo administration! They better be damn sure before they go fucking with Putin he'd squash Odumbo like a gnat!
    The corrupt, incompetent democratic party is the world's biggest gnat that needs to be exterminated from the American political process for the sake of our great country.
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    Oct 15, 2016 5:55 PM GMT
    WestCoastJock saidJill Stein believes Hillary will get us into a nuclear World War III

    Green Party's Jill Stein Says Hillary Clinton's Policies Will 'Start a Nuclear War'

    Presidential candidate declares 'Hillary's policies are much scarier than Donald Trump who does not want to go to war with Russia,' while answering callers in a C-SPAN interview.
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.747294


    What's Jill Stein going to do about war criminal Putin - give him a smoothie?

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    As for your real hero Trump, he'll just continue sucking up to Vlad.

    Putin has played Trump 'like a fiddle' says ex-CIA head backing Clinton
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3838751/Putin-played-Trump-like-fiddle-says-ex-CIA-head-backing-Clinton-rips-Republican-cheering-hacks.html

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    Oct 15, 2016 9:00 PM GMT
    there's a lot of beautiful Russian people it wouldn't be the same as a war with the savages in the Middle East I don't support any conflict between the United States and Russia, completely wrong way for history to unravel and I hope the two super powers will continue to be peaceful with eachother (as it is now, because there is not a war between USA and Russia)
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    Oct 15, 2016 9:09 PM GMT
    Salutin' Putin: inside a Russian troll house

    Just after 9pm each day, a long line of workers files out of 55 Savushkina Street, a modern four-storey office complex with a small sign outside that reads “Business centre”. Having spent 12 hours in the building, the workers are replaced by another large group, who will work through the night.

    The nondescript building has been identified as the headquarters of Russia’s “troll army”, where hundreds of paid bloggers work round the clock to flood Russian internet forums, social networks and the comments sections of western publications with remarks praising the president, Vladimir Putin, and raging at the depravity and injustice of the west.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house
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    Oct 15, 2016 9:43 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidSalutin' Putin: inside a Russian troll house

    Just after 9pm each day, a long line of workers files out of 55 Savushkina Street, a modern four-storey office complex with a small sign outside that reads “Business centre”. Having spent 12 hours in the building, the workers are replaced by another large group, who will work through the night.

    The nondescript building has been identified as the headquarters of Russia’s “troll army”, where hundreds of paid bloggers work round the clock to flood Russian internet forums, social networks and the comments sections of western publications with remarks praising the president, Vladimir Putin, and raging at the depravity and injustice of the west.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house



    Shhhhhhh. You just tipped off Southbeach that we know who he is.
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    Oct 16, 2016 12:51 AM GMT
    WestCoastJock saidJill Stein believes Hillary will get us into a nuclear World War III

    Green Party's Jill Stein Says Hillary Clinton's Policies Will 'Start a Nuclear War'

    Presidential candidate declares 'Hillary's policies are much scarier than Donald Trump who does not want to go to war with Russia,' while answering callers in a C-SPAN interview.
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.747294




    Republicans (famous fear mongering) + Kremlin (famous fear mongering) = icon_twisted.gificon_twisted.gif


    So is RJ southbeach a friend of Putin too? The Russian people are already being told to "prepare for nuclear war" icon_redface.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_eek.gif
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    http://abcnews.go.com/International/ways-russia-telling-people-prepare-war/story?id=42800992



    Putin ally tells Americans: Vote Trump or face nuclear war
    http://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/Putin-ally-tells-Americans-Vote-Trump-or-face-nuclear-war-469947


    Americans should vote for Donald Trump as president next month or risk being dragged into a nuclear war, according to a Russian ultra-nationalist ally of President Vladimir Putin who likes to compare himself to the US Republican candidate.

    Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a flamboyant veteran lawmaker known for his fiery rhetoric, told Reuters in an interview that Trump was the only person able to de-escalate dangerous tensions between Moscow and Washington.

    By contrast, Trump's Democratic rival Hillary Clinton could spark World War Three, said Zhirinovsky, who received a top state award from Putin after his pro-Kremlin Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR) came third in Russia's parliamentary election last month.

    Many Russians regard Zhirinovsky as a clownish figure who makes outspoken statements to grab attention but he is also widely viewed as a faithful servant of Kremlin policy, sometimes used to float radical opinions to test public reaction.

    "Relations between Russia and the United States can't get any worse. The only way they can get worse is if a war starts," said Zhirinovsky, speaking in his huge office on the 10th floor of Russia's State Duma, or lower house of parliament.

    "Americans voting for a president on Nov. 8 must realize that they are voting for peace on Planet Earth if they vote for Trump. But if they vote for Hillary it's war. It will be a short movie. There will be Hiroshimas and Nagasakis everywhere."


    Hes just as NUTS as the republicans and their leader Trump (BTW, it looks like the Russian people voted for Hillary!)

    NOW WE KNOW WHERE TRUMP GOT THE IDEA FOR PHYSICAL EXAMINATIONS, from a Russian NUT job icon_lol.gif


  • Unnamed6

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    Oct 16, 2016 4:08 AM GMT
    People should note that the West is losing the hybrid war against the Russians (and against China and Iran) quite badly (just look at the previous electoral success of Donald Trump)... I really wonder what Obama and the CIA has in store for the Russians but the response may still fall short to what the Russians can do to the West. The Russians have assets, or even an infrastructure within the West, like spies, fifth columns, propagandists, etc, that they can exploit frequently but the West has no such thing existing within Russia.



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  • Unnamed6

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    Oct 16, 2016 4:21 AM GMT
    Geoffreysays said
    Ex_Mil8 saidSalutin' Putin: inside a Russian troll house

    Just after 9pm each day, a long line of workers files out of 55 Savushkina Street, a modern four-storey office complex with a small sign outside that reads “Business centre”. Having spent 12 hours in the building, the workers are replaced by another large group, who will work through the night.

    The nondescript building has been identified as the headquarters of Russia’s “troll army”, where hundreds of paid bloggers work round the clock to flood Russian internet forums, social networks and the comments sections of western publications with remarks praising the president, Vladimir Putin, and raging at the depravity and injustice of the west.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house



    Shhhhhhh. You just tipped off Southbeach that we know who he is.


    I don't know about South Beach (but I'll look into this though)...but there was a popular poster here from years back, and low and behold he was employed by "Global Research", which is on the charts I just provided. Looking at his stuff, it's quite obvious that he's either a Russian propagandist or a useful idiot... I really wonder, how does one get approached to become a Russian propagandist or agent in the first place?... What exactly motivates them beyond loyalty to Russia or some stupid ideal? This person's life could get completely turned upside down once governments start sanctioning any and every individual that can be linked to the entities on those charts. He could easily be barred entry into any European country. The kind of stupid shit people get themselves into these days...